And you once again forgetting that MK9 is remake of MK1-MK3, NOT THE WHOLE FUCKING SERIES!!! Is that hard to comprehend, really? Everything that happened with Sub-Zero in the old timeline in MK1-MK3, had happened with him here, and there were some addtions to his story. Since MK9 is remake / reboot of MK1-MK3 they didn't touch MK4+ plots and there is currently no-one aside form writers who knows what will happen in the next game. So saying "Sub-Zero is ruined, because his story is butchered in MK9 comparing to the WHOLE SERIES" (15 years of development and 8 games) is quite stupid, sorry. To ColdHearted: And no matter how much Sub-Zero fanboy you are - Sub-Zero acts the same as in the old timeline in the MK9 after being transformed into cyborg and freed from his programming. Even Sub-Zero's fans admitted it. Not using commas now equals "internet slang"? How interesting. You can use whatever slang you like, as long as people could understand what you've written. As for me, it's hard to read text without any dividers. So, you attempt to justify your mistake is quite out of place. OK, I was wrong then. Didn't know that it's based on gameplay stats. Considering how many things abpout characters were changed comparing to the old timeline, changing powerlevel of some minor character is nothing out of ordinary and, if anything could expected. So our argument is pointless until we know how strong Smoke in the MK9 comparing to the Human Smoke in the past. And I doubt someone from NRS will make such statistics. I never pretended it to be the truth. I just speculated using logic and what information was presented in the game. Nothing out of ordinary person (and even fan) could do. Considering your opinion about like...everything, it was quite a long time since a took anything you've said seriously. And it seems it will take quite a time before I'll do that ever again. I wonder how much of a series fan you must be, to be a moderator on the fanforum and constantly hate said series? It's a "cute", no less. The most apropriate response to this post would be three letters: WTF? Either this a failed joke or likewise failed attempt at being rude... Looks like too much ado about simple attempt to use imagination and logic. But should I really be surprised by reaction of some fans? =)

The irony...oh the sad irony.

What did I miss? Something must've went down...

I love Mortal Kombat. And that's exactly the reason I have such strong feelings, whether it's something I love or something I hate. Being a blind fanboy was never in the job description.

And on that note, get back on topic.

It was comedy towards the fact that Jaded-Raven suspected Ninja's ways of doing things after he already explained it by "Just how I am." though Ninja did probably overreact - just don't take it offensively, my son.

Yeah, I've noticed how you try to joke around in your recent posts, so I stopped taking them seriously. Though when you are being serious, please give us a heads up so we know, or else I'm just gonna skip your posts, and it would be a shame if you actually had something interesting to say.

Alright? :)

In regards to the title of the topic, personally, I don't think they've anything to respond to. And I'm glad that so far they haven't, because it shows they're sticking to their guns this time around and standing by their own decisions.

There are some questions I'd like answered too, don't get me wrong, but im hoping the next few games answer them for me.

I see. However, even if I joke about something, I hardly never do that in the sense of just mocking another user - it's raffish to me. At times it is necessary to break the ice by humor though, it proceeds the conversation. For the future, one way to notice whether I'm serious or not is probably to look at the picture text ratio. If there is a little amount of text and a big picture, it may be humor. If there are lots of text and a few pictures or no pictures, it likely has seriousness in as well. This is not a joke, I disclose.
Mostly, nonetheless, I put some thought and originality in my posts - rarely doing QFT's - but it's not my intention to write them as simply as possible for everyone's convenience. It's not my issue if there is someone who doesn't get it right the first time. Variety is the spice of life, as they say.

Well the main reason is because as stated... they can't do fan interviews without WB's permission.

I already know that MK 2011's story is a reboot of MK1-MK3's stories so don't talk to me as if I'm stupid. I know what you're getting at, but I just don't have faith in the story writers. Look at the current direction of the series and the track record that the story has had since around Deception and definitely Shaolin Monks. The fact that MK 2011's story is an abridged quasi-reboot of MK1-MK3's stories.

While we don't know what will happen in the future games, I could say that given the way the stories in this series are being done nowadays, expect to see things get worse in terms of quality. In other words, expect to see more idiot plots and characters saying and doing utterly stupid things to support those plots.

Even though we haven't yet seen the reboots of the timelines of the other MK games, Sub-Zero is off to a really bad start. He doesn't really have anything going for him as a character, and the story of the next game will likely start off with him as one of Quan Chi's slaves. Yeah, so much for being twice as badass as human Sub-Zero...

Nelly, is dat chu?

Sub-Zero's look has never stayed the same in any games. Besides Reptile, he's the only character that has had a wardrobe change per each game he's been in. He also loves doing new things to his hair. Don't let me remind people the horribleness of the ponytail that rose to fame in Deception. But to go to that look to what he did in Armageddon. Come on.

And I'm pretty confident that this Sub-Zero is the same from the old timeline.



For a person who has been a Sub-Zero fan since the beginning, this new change for him did not upset me.



Well I can certainly say that a quite a handful of Sonya fans did not appreciate the fact that her appearance just made her look so... unreal. That her shit didn't have anything underneath it and for her character reveal newslead that had over 750 pages worth of complaining and constant bickering over that proves that no one likes a different look.

Sure, I'm a bit confused on why someone with military characteristics would dress like that and would wear heels with her outfit, I've never fully appreciated Sonya ever becuase I've always believed that she is the most confusing character in this game, but not too many people likes that kind of a change. Which is understandable. But an entirely new cyborg look... Well... Cage as a cyborg would make me laugh.



I am a little, but I understood why they gave him such a huge role in this. Even if it isn't the right reason.



Why can't Mileena be allowed to have Tarkatan eyes instead of having her sisters? I actually thought it was an interesting new appeal for her.



Well it is true for a lot of people. A lot cannot accept change, and we have to continuously stay in the same story over and over again. Why? Why do I have to constantly look back at Smoke's cyborg change? How come he has to be the cyborg and not anyone else? Why can't certain characters die under the hands of characters we would never suspect of killing them i.e. Sindel? Why can't she be allowed to kill off so many characters? Why does she need to be restored to her good self?

Not too many on here appreciates the change because they're all baffled at how poorly the story was written. Unfortunately, I'm one of those who actually liked and appreciated the story. I've been ridiculed by some users on this site all because I say that proudly, and that's not quite fair. Why should those who liked the change can't be allowed to state "people can't accept the change" when those who constantly say, "this story should have never happened," are allowed to say that without any kinds of consequences? That's a bit unfair.



Except it is new here because it's Sub-Zero that got changed and no one would have suspected that. Sure, it's for the shock value, but that's a new change for Sub-Zero.



Of course people want to see things they enjoy, but at times, that gets pretty boring. The sudden change of Sub-Zero was mind blowingly interesting as soon as more and more of the character's story and such went out to public. Things can change whenever they want, the fans might like it or not, but the fates of these characters really cannot settle on their hands. It's the developers that will do whatever they want with their characters. They don't always have to do what we ask them to do when we pester them on such websites such as the Twitter.

Why do i keep coming back here? Its like these discussions are the same.... but reworded.

To form my own opinion about wether or not NRS responded to the backlash... thats yet to be seen... We are left to assume and formulate our own opinions. But i would like to see a retcon in the works. But thats just me...

Okay, I'll take that in consideration then when reading your posts. I just never knew if you had a serious point or not. ^^

You can't resist the temptation of... Whatever it is that pulls you in!

Blind fanboism could sometimes be characterised by the equally blind hatred. Practically normal thing for the old fandoms, where many old members practically HATE every new installment in the series, because they LOVE it's (past) too much. Such opinions doesn't make me take such people seriously.


Lack of faith - is a very shacky basis for hatred.
Personally, MK9 reinvigorated my faith into MK-Team storywriters and they ability to make a good story. MK9 had it shortcomings, but it was leagues better, then MKA and MKSM. Part of it's success could be atributed to the basis in form of MK1-MK3.

The temptation of Sub-Zero...

Who knew shit has temptation?

It's hardly that black and white. People like me actually like quite a few things about some of the newer MK games, including this one. It's just that the overall quality of what was done with the story and characters was more or less another MKSM only with decent overall voice acting.



You may have had your faith reinvigorated, but MK 2011 made me somewhat glad that I set my expectations low. When I learned what the premise of the story was going to be, I knew it was going to be a disaster like MKSM's story.

I forgot to touch on something you said in your previous post. You said that everything that happened with Sub-Zero in the old timeline in MK1-MK3 happened with him in MK 2011. That's not true. In the old timeline, Bi-Han had taken part in the tournament to assassinate Shang Tsung. Since he failed, the Lin Kuei sent Kuai Liang to finish Bi-Han's mission.

None of that was covered, and instead, Bi-Han's story was retconned to him working alongside Shang Tsung. That might have been acceptable had the story of this game been that of a full-fledged reboot. But since the story of this game actually ties into the stories of the past MK games, it only shows one of several examples of how this game's story fails.

I'm not someone that's against change itself, but I feel that some changes are unnecessary or just plain bad, maybe even both. It could have been somewhat better had Sub-Zero's transformation into a cyborg had been as a result of healing severe injuries in his fight against Scorpion during Shao Kahn's tournament.

Also, he could have looked different from the other cyborgs and looked something a bit more like he did in MK: Rebirth. Perhaps Sub-Zero could break free before they could finish automating him and from there, he could have found himself fighting alongside the heroes.

With NRS, I imagine they have already expected there to be a fairly mixed crowd on reaction to Cyber Sub-Zero. Honestly, Cyber Sub-Zero would have really been effective and maybe even acceptable if he was used in a full-fledged reboot. By having a quasi-reboot that has a story tied into the stories of the old timeline, the story writers failed big time.

I'm not one of those fans that's negative about nearly everything. I have all sorts of ideas. I'm still a fan of this series, and I'm still into the story and the characters. I just don't like the direction the story is going, and I feel that I have good reasons to not like it. If you want to call my lack of faith as "a shaky basis of hatred", that's on you.

I love the gameplay of the new game. Cyber Sub-Zero's gameplay style is kind of fun. He's not bad at all despite having similar special moves to those of certain other characters. I just feel that since MK is a fighting game series yet has a fairly strong importance given to story and characters, the series should always been producing games that do well in both areas. I feel that's been lacking in the series.

I liked Cyber-Subz look and gameplay. The story just completely sucked though. He gets turned, kicks a lotta ass, dies by a single uppercut, then goes to Hell and is still in Cyborg form. I didn't know cyborgs had cyborg souls. He should have become just regular old Sub-Zero again when in the netherrealm. Sometimes I think NRS just loves to piss off its fans. Or Maybe they just have their heads up their asses, or maybe they just don't give a shit. They seriously need a new story writer though. The old timeline had a better story IMO.

lol...well.

Who knew shit asked questions...JK
But seriously, why mock my favorite character?

Smoke belongs to the subject because he is Kuai Liang's close buddy: Have you ever wondered why Smoke has a mask on even in his primary costume where he has his grey hair open? I believe this is because NeRdS didn't bother to decide whether Tomas' face looks old or young because his life was coming to its end in the game anyway.

I speak badly on my least favorite characters. Mostly Scorpion/Sub-Zero, but a little Jarek and Shujinko..

You're favorite character is Everyone's least favorite character. Yet you're least favorite character is everyone's favorite character correct? You're the minority...