Long live Cyber Sub-Zero!


That's all I have to say about that endless bantering you guys put up.
Some like him, some don't. Well, to those who don't like him... too bad. He's there and there's nothing you can do about it. So either you can try and accept it and go on with your lives or you can keep up your endless whining. Either way, it is not going to change a thing. NRS aren't going to cut him out of the game.

I just hope he will stay this way in the future as well. It would be nice to have a human form to play as, like Sektor and Cyrax, but it should be non-canon in my opinion.

However, it seems like we'll have to wait some time before seeing a sequal, so all we can do is wait and see what's going to happen.

Long Live Human Sub-Zero! ;) Forever

But he got turned into a cyborg... so he didn't live as a human forever.

Not in the non-shit canon.

Yeah, keep living in your imaginary world.

While Cysuze was certainly one of the last pieces created for the game, the lack of his ending can be partially understood by the fact that all the Human Sub-Zero information focused in Kuai Liang whereas Bi-Han got nothing hence Bi-Han needed complete treatment in his latter form while Kuai Liang didn't.
This makes one wonder, why did Kuai Liang have an actual ending and a befitting biography as human but not a cyborg? This either indicates that Human Sub-Zero is the future and NRS was just teasing with S-Z fans or alternatively it's that way just to delight the old fans. As for RE701's question about Cysuze's lack of a tool, I'm sure that he's got a telescopic one somewhere with the Lin Kuei stamp in it. Besides, who ruled a platonic love between Cysuze and Sareena out?

I can't believe I'm asking this, but since it started with being silly on purpose, hell...why not keep it rollin'...
Why would a ninja clan put a mechanical penis on a body designed only for killing? What, just in case a customer one day hires them to rape somebody to death?

I can sense the inner dick in this page...

More characters>>>>>>>>keeping the canon correct.

The fucking story has been twisted and fragmented so many times I can't believe this is even an issue especially since both human and cyber versions are playable. Hey remember when they took another popular ninja and made him a cyborg in MK3? Yeah, the canon never recovered and Human Smoke was never seen again.

That's a good question: Why did the Lin Kuei clan put a mechanical wang to Cysuze's body? Well, when Kuai Liang was gathered to the Grandmaster's interview, he was offered with countless amounts of luxuries. In reality, however, he wanted only one thing...
The Interview

I'm going to ignore the whole dick thing and focus on this part.

There never was a romance between Subbie and Sareena. Not once is it mentioned that either of them loved or had a thing for the other. The only thing that's ever been stated is that Subbie offers Sareena asylum.




And that's it.

The way I see it:


Human Sub-Zero - a "sacred" icon, will be in every future MK game and will continue to be the poster boy of the franchise along with Scorpion

Cyber Sub-Zero - one (and a half?) game gimmick




Soooo, as much as I dislike Subbie turning into a cyborg, I firmly believe it won't last long. I expect him to go back to his human form sometime during the next game's story mode. That's why I added the "and a half?" part above and the question mark is there because I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see the cyborg form at all, but only see him mentioned in Subbie's bio or something.

I'm trying to imagine a Scorpion vs Cyber SZ promo trailer/wallpaper for the next game and it just feels so... awkward I guess? I can't see that happening.

I never stated there was, and I knew there has not been anything above speculation of a romance so far. But the automation of Kuai Liang itself doesn't rule the opportunity of such a relationship out.

__Nevermind this post.__

*reads last few pages*

Ok, here we go.

First of all, where was it ever stated that Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) ever had any sexual attraction towards Sareena, or vice verca? Since people are desperately clutching to the idea that his character is ruined because he can now never maintain or acchieve an erection, point out to me where it was ever implied he found her attractive and I'll concede to the arguement that this one particular sub-plot has been eliminated.

Now try do the same with Frost. And, while your at it, point out to me where it was ever suggested we'd even see Frost again. A cameo in his database visuals? Her appearance as an NPC on the Pit? That's only a cameo. Until NRS themselves make a statement saying she's returning, we've no grounds to assume she'll be back considering she wasn't even in this story.

If she's to return it's most likely on the grounds she want's to aqquire power within the Lin Kuei, which is now owned by Sektor, or recieve further training with her Kori powers. Sektor most likely wont want to teach her personally the way Sub-Zero did with his new rise to power, so if she was to require training, the only two people of use to her are either Raiden or Cyber Sub-Zero since Sub-Zero (cyborg or not) is the only Lin Kuei in this new timeline that has any degree of control over Kori powers. Noob's hardly gonna teach her even if he survived the Soulnado, cause Noob's a selfish asshole.

There's a chance of the Mentor/Pupil plotline coming back up but at this moment in time, we're not guaranteed it, and even if we did get it you can be sure it wont be anything like what we had in Deadly Alliance. So accept that now before anything is stated or set in stone to avoid the but hurt. That plotline still has plenty of potential left to come back in future and I see no reason how Sub-Zero can't teach a pupil just because his body is now laced with cybernetics.

That's a challenge by the way. Present me some information or facts that prove there was a romantic subplot with Kuai Liang involving either Sareena or Frost, and I'll admitt then that there was some potential with him washed down the drain.

Now, in regards to his moves. It's not uncommon for characters to share similar types of attacks or animations. Hell for years they even shared the exact same recoloured sprites and outfits.

Reptile, Skarlet and Sub-Zero both share the same type of Slide attack whilst Noob has a variation of it. Scorpion and Ermac both share the same sort of teleport attack, and over the years many sprites used the same animation to do unique attacks. Yes, his teleport is identical to Cyrax's. Yes, he also has the grenade attacks with a similar function (but different effect) and yes his Dive Kicks are similar to Kung Lao's. Big fucking deal. That's been rinsed and repeated in MK since the very first game. To nitpick that now is nonsense. It's been that way for twenty years.

In regards to his alt costume? He doesn't need one. Every character in the game wears their alt costume in the story mode. The ninja version of the character Sub-Zero has his alt in the form of MK1's Bi-Han, and his primary is Kuai Liang. It's basically two different people for the same character with the same moveset, combo's and fatalities. Kuai Liang's true alternate costume is his Cyborg model. It's still him, in a new outfit, but with a new move set and fatalities and his own seperate slot on the roster so fan's have the option of chosing two different playstyles for the same character.

If you really want to be technical about Kuai Liang's alt, do the math. Bi-Han comes in the game in 3 different outfits, 1 for the ninja Sub-Zero alt and two for Noob, and a further 2 extra outfits if you include DLC. 5 costumes in total for Bi Han.

Kuai Liang get's the primary Sub-Zero outfit, his MK3 unmasked outfit DLC, his Retro Cyborg outfit DLC and a whole new character slot just to accomodate his new playstyle as a cyborg. 4 outfits in total for Kuai Liang but 2 distinct playstyles offered to the players for him.

That brings the total outfits up to 6 outfits for the character "Sub-Zero" (his MK1 Retro, his 2 in game outfits, his MK3 outfit, his Cyborg model and the Retro Cyborg DLC) and two different character slots for the exact same character but with different playstyles. And people are begrudging him CSZ not having an in-game alt?? For serious?? That's more than Mileena for fucks sake.

As for his ending, we all know that despite Boon's cryptic hints we were supposed to be shocked and stunned at Sub-Zero's automation had the game not been hacked and we only discovered it by playing the damn game. He was supposed to be a surprise. I'd find Icebaby's theory that they purposely didnt give him audio or text in his ending acceptable for the sole purpose that they weren't intending on the leaks but wanted to try cover their asses anyway. Besides, he still gets an ending in his ninja form as Kuai Liang, and in the story Mode he's the only character on the whole roster to have two chapters.

You still think he's rushed?

Your allowing fanboyism and your own wounded ideals to stand in the way of logic here by nitpicking, ragequitting and complaining about something utterly futile. It's very, very clear there was a lot of effort put into Sub-Zero's overall development as both a human and a cyborg in this game. He changed, the story changed, everyone changed. Unless you can accept that and get over it your better off walking away from the series alltogether. The team shouldn't have to buckle and yield to fans who refuse to adapt with the franchise either.

You're making some good points, however, as seen on this forum time and time again, people would rather cling to their hopes and ignorance than accept the facts that stand before them.

Oh I know, I'd probably be a lot smarter to have that discussion with a brick wall, but it I feel obliged to raise a decent arguement against the CSZ haters. Aside from picking holes where it suits them, complaining and saying "oh but he has no potential as a cyborg now in a future storyline that we know absolutely nothing about where nothing is guaranteed" they generally never make any decent arguement as to why the character can't develop. It's just "wah wah, it's not going my way, change it back", and I find it pathetic. If your a fan of a character, you support them even when things aren't going your own way. The team shouldn't have to respond to the whims of some butthurt fanboys who refuse to accept changes.

Sure you yourself are a huge Jade fan, I doubt you were happy she was killed but even at that you weren't throwing tantrums or saying she's doomed to fail just because she ended up dead in the Netherrealm. You were logical about it, you knew her potential wasn't snuffed out entirely just because of how MK9 ended. That's what pisses me off about a lot of Sub-Zero's fans who are utterly dismissing him and everything the character stands for just because he got automated. They're prepared to give up on a character they've supposedly followed for years just because something new was done to him that they don't agree with. It's childish.

Oh, I see Jade's death as an opportunity. I hold the developers true to their word when they say "No one really dies in MK" and thus see Jade having a possible future as part of the Brotherhood of the Shadow or something else like that.

Also, Jade was the one who died in the coolest way out of all of Sindel's victims, in my opinion. ;)

I accept it for what it is and move on with my life.

Hah, so true about the Twilight comment. Liked that one. ;)

I think the "have no soul" part is a metaphore for not having their free will anymore, that they have become mindless drones, yet perfect warriors - gone from man to machine. If they have no souls, then how can Shang Tsung feed of it in the games? How can he impersonate them?
I say it's just a metaphore.

I think it was Shadaloo who came up with the suggestion that their souls are defined by how willing they were to give it up. Sektor has none because he was happy, willing to be automated. Cyrax's can still be saved because it's surpressed, he wanted to leave the Lin Kuei and disagreed with being a part of the Cyborg Initiative, so because he done it under protest he (like Sub-Zero and Smoke in the old canon) could possibly regain his.

I imagine their soul being the essence of who they are, their human spirit contained within their bodies. And if they're cyborgs, then they're half human, so obviously there's a body for their soul to be inside, the soul is probably just overwhelmed and restricted with the Lin Kuei's Neurological nanotechnology. The cyborg half of them restricts the human half, meaning they can take and obey orders and not have their own free will but once they're computerised aspects are overrided they can act of their own accord and free will.

Of course that will contradict how Sektor, Smoke and Cyrax managed to survive Kahn's invasion in MK3 in the old canon, but in this timeline Nightwolf himself states that CSZ's soul wouldn't be safe from the Soulnado in the Graveyard. The cyborg's souls are a tricky subject, it's obviously a very flexible component of who they are if it can be restricted, taken away and regained as often as it is within the MK unniverse lol

Facts? What facts? Lots of fans want Sub-Zero back as a human next game which is his most iconic and cherished form and if there is no human Sub-Zero at all in the next game, there will be huge outrage by the fans. Imagine Cyber Sub-Zero on the cover instead of Human Sub-Zero would that go over as well with the casual fans?

I really don't see what Jade (or anyone else) gains by becoming a Member of the Brotherhood of Shadow, that whole ending was just one stupid moment after another.

Raiden: Oh, Liu Kang, wait! I finally know what we have to do even though as a milennia-old God, I should've known this myself and for some reason, I needed Quan Chi to spell it out for me!
Liu Kang: ...fuck you.
Raiden: I cannot let you fight Shao Kahn!
Liu Kang: Okay then, I'll kill you. *charges up*
Raiden: *blocks it setting Liu Kang on fire* Oh no! I set him on fire even though I have perfect control over lightning and should know how much to use and how much not to use! Forgive me..!!
Liu Kang: ....you have, by far, turned into the most pathetic failure I have ever seen. Go fuck yourself.

Metaphors don't make you immune to Shao Kahn soulnados. In Mortal Kombat, a soul is a literal energy in your body that keeps you alive. The cyborgs lose their souls when automated, thus, in some way, becoming a cyberninja must literally kill you and make you like a reanimated corpse...but since you're not fully dead, you can recover from this somehow and your soul will return to your body or reawaken from dormancy.

In MK9, there are no "chosen ones", the Elder Gods never give Raiden the ability to protect his friends from having their souls stolen like they did in MK3. Probably because by the time he speaks to the Elder Gods, the soulnado was stopped anyway, whereas it was never stopped in the original, so he didn't have a reason to ask. (Which is a shame, 'cause if you think about it, if their souls were protected, they probably couldn't be fucking sold to Quan Chi at the end of the damn game either.) And this scene was after CSZ got his free will back, thus he had his soul at the time. That's why it wasn't safe, whereas it would've been in the original MK3.

Actually, another thing that doesn't make sense about that is how the fuck can Shao Kahn sell their souls to Quan Chi, that doesn't make sense at all.

Vogel sorta tried to answer it when I said that: "If this always happened then why didn't Johnny Cage come back to life as a zombie in MK4" "In MK4, Shao Kahn was a nonfactor"

..which really doesn't explain it.