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TheDarkPassenger
02/19/2011 06:15 PM (UTC)
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Could you please translate for those of us who don't speak Jockish?
Are you implying that it's like walking into a Chocolate Convention wearing a shirt that says "I <3 Vanilla"?
If so, keep in mind that not everyone who likes chocolate *hates* vanilla.
People are nowhere near as binary as that.
There are people here who love MvC3, and it has no effect on our love and anticipation for MK. One can like both chocolate *and* vanilla


Hahaha, sorry, okay translation using your analogy: It would be like walking into a chocolate convention and asking if chocolate is better than vanilla.

I realize that not everyone is going to reply the same here, but I'm sure that the results will be biased.
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02/19/2011 06:19 PM (UTC)
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More along the lines of X-Factor, really. It does horrible, horrible things, especially when you're using someone like Sentinel.
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02/19/2011 06:47 PM (UTC)
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Might or might not have anything to do with anything, but my neighborhood Gamestop already has 211 pre-orders for MK2011, and there are roughly 42 Gamestops here in Las Vegas, also told me that 3 of the 5 mall locations have over double the pre-orders then my neighborhood one has.

MvsC3, in my store, had 67 pre-orders, and MK2011 has another 2 months left.
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02/19/2011 06:58 PM (UTC)
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Casselman Wrote:
-No spectater mode = Bullshit
-Character roster = Feels half assed
-Online problems = Bullshit
-A BIG problem I have with online is the lack of variety in matchmaking. I want to fight people of the highets ranks but theres only an "Any" Setting. Which gives me everything but.

The biggest most rediculous problem I have with this game:

:No catering to casual and intermediate players other than "Simple mode". The dev team forgot to include a regular movelist outside the specials. Ive seen one move with Dante where he spins his sword around like a revolver (aa attack) and I cant figure it out for the life of me.


No catering to casual and intermediate players? I consider myself an intermediate player and I'm in the top 300 on the leaderboards. I played like garbage in MvC2. Honestly, the combos in this game are so easy to do.

The roster sucks (in terms of who is in it) but every character plays so radically different. I haven't ran into any online problems yet (despite maybe two or three DCers) and there's nothing that bad about matchmaking.

Also, who cares about a lack of spectator mode? One, they'll be adding that on as free DLC and two, the mode sucked anyways. I tried it once in Street Fighter just to see what it was about and then just left right away.

Honestly, the only fault in this game is the lack of game modes. Basically, if you're not playing multiplayer you can't enjoy this game. That's a small gripe though. This is a fighting game, not an RPG. Multiplayer modes are where its at. The actual gameplay is so damn fun that it completely makes up for everything else.

It seems like this board is just hating on MvC because its MK's competition. You CAN enjoy other fighters ya know.
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02/19/2011 07:09 PM (UTC)
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TortureLegend Wrote:
Might or might not have anything to do with anything, but my neighborhood Gamestop already has 211 pre-orders for MK2011, and there are roughly 42 Gamestops here in Las Vegas, also told me that 3 of the 5 mall locations have over double the pre-orders then my neighborhood one has.

MvsC3, in my store, had 67 pre-orders, and MK2011 has another 2 months left.


Also, I think Dr. Dogg had mentioned about MKvsDC sales being the highest for any fighting game this generation. I think I read somewhere that MKvsDC has sold something like 3-4 million units. I also remember reading about SF4 and SS4 having sales under 3 million each. I think Capcom announced that they're shooting for 2 million units for MvC3 by March 31st.

Hopefully this MK will do as well, if not better than MKvsDC in sales, but the new game may not have the same wide range appeal as the previous title. (I know MK fans weren't all that happy, but having Batman on the cover of a game had to positively influence sales).
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02/19/2011 07:18 PM (UTC)
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After playing the game for 2 days and finally pulling off something that i did purposly rather than bashing the buttons and hoping for the best, i can confirm MVC3 is a 'good' game. It still holds the place of tide me over till the real fighting game comes out. Might help the wait but defo is nt stealing any thunder, bring on MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!

as for the question, hell yes Mk has the potential to do it, and i truly believe now is the time for it to be truly recognised!!!!!!!
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02/19/2011 07:29 PM (UTC)
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Eh, you guys are comparing apples and oranges when comparing the two games. How exactly are you going to compare the two games when they actually release when both are so different from one another?
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02/19/2011 08:02 PM (UTC)
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SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
Eh, you guys are comparing apples and oranges when comparing the two games. How exactly are you going to compare the two games when they actually release when both are so different from one another?


Because SF=apples, MK=oranges, and oranges are just the better, healthier, tastier fruit. Oranges, orange jam, orange soda, orange marmalade, orange juice, orange dream-scicle ice cream... I mean, you don't see a color named "apple" do you? Orange wins, and by default, MK wins for being "orange".

... what? That's sound logic.
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02/19/2011 08:27 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
Eh, you guys are comparing apples and oranges when comparing the two games. How exactly are you going to compare the two games when they actually release when both are so different from one another?


Because SF=apples, MK=oranges, and oranges are just the better, healthier, tastier fruit. Oranges, orange jam, orange marmalade, orange juice, orange dream-scicle ice cream... I mean, you don't see a color named "apple" do you? Orange wins, and by default, MK wins for being "orange".

... what? That's sound logic.


Mmmmm oranges....
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02/19/2011 09:03 PM (UTC)
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I think MK will be funner and more well-rounded that MVC3, but I don't think it'll sell more.

The hype for MK is nothing compared to what MVC3 received, and you sorta need hype these days to sell.

Plus I think MVC3 will appeal to more people, whereas MK's M rating and gore will throw some people off.
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02/19/2011 10:25 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
I think MK will be funner and more well-rounded that MVC3, but I don't think it'll sell more.

The hype for MK is nothing compared to what MVC3 received, and you sorta need hype these days to sell.

Plus I think MVC3 will appeal to more people, whereas MK's M rating and gore will throw some people off.


One would think that would be true, as an M-rating should, in theory at least, alienate at least a portion of the gaming demographic. It makes sense to me. But with preorder numbers like the one Torturelegend is tossing around, if those are consistant with other locations, this MK may well overtake MvC3 in sales.
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Jaded-Raven
02/19/2011 11:09 PM (UTC)
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I tried Marvel VS Capcom 3 tonight, and it was all about spamming special moves and making flashy combos... It's fun, but not that fun. After a while, I got tired of it, because there's nothing more to it than that.

Mortal Kombat already has alot more to offer, so no doubt that it will be bigger than MvsC3 in my book.
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02/19/2011 11:29 PM (UTC)
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I just hope the best for both. I was disappointed the way mvc3 turned out considering I was waiting 10 fucking years for it. As you can tell from that sentence, I'm really salty about how the game turned out from gameplay to online. As for mk9, i hope for the best, but given the series track record, I'm hoping putting my hopes up. If it sucks balls, eh, I'm sure a new one will come out in a year or two. And to the people who say mk9 will be better in a lot of ways or will have more to offer, game isn't even out yet. Just saying.
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02/20/2011 01:03 AM (UTC)
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MvC3 is a junk
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02/20/2011 01:07 AM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
Casselman Wrote:
-No spectater mode = Bullshit
-Character roster = Feels half assed
-Online problems = Bullshit
-A BIG problem I have with online is the lack of variety in matchmaking. I want to fight people of the highets ranks but theres only an "Any" Setting. Which gives me everything but.

The biggest most rediculous problem I have with this game:

:No catering to casual and intermediate players other than "Simple mode". The dev team forgot to include a regular movelist outside the specials. Ive seen one move with Dante where he spins his sword around like a revolver (aa attack) and I cant figure it out for the life of me.


No catering to casual and intermediate players? I consider myself an intermediate player and I'm in the top 300 on the leaderboards. I played like garbage in MvC2. Honestly, the combos in this game are so easy to do.

The roster sucks (in terms of who is in it) but every character plays so radically different. I haven't ran into any online problems yet (despite maybe two or three DCers) and there's nothing that bad about matchmaking.

Also, who cares about a lack of spectator mode? One, they'll be adding that on as free DLC and two, the mode sucked anyways. I tried it once in Street Fighter just to see what it was about and then just left right away.

Honestly, the only fault in this game is the lack of game modes. Basically, if you're not playing multiplayer you can't enjoy this game. That's a small gripe though. This is a fighting game, not an RPG. Multiplayer modes are where its at. The actual gameplay is so damn fun that it completely makes up for everything else.

It seems like this board is just hating on MvC because its MK's competition. You CAN enjoy other fighters ya know.


Agreed for the most part, and I think I mis-spoke in saying "Spectator Mode".

What I meant is the lack of being able to watch matches as they happen while in an online lobby. Its a great way to learn good combos and overall is a more interesting experience, Im not gonna be bored. Sure I check into the other players stats and preferred characters and compare it to who they use and how good they are doing, but I can do that in all of 10 seconds, what about the rest of the fight?

Lobby Match viewing should be incorperated or have a button to toggle watching a match or not watching as the ladder shifts.

Ps. Has the mode really been confirmed as DLC?
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02/20/2011 01:12 AM (UTC)
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-No spectater mode = Bullshit
-An option to show inputs rather than move names for "Mission" Mode
-Casselman


This option exists. Pause it and look at "Mission Objective" and it will tell you the controller inputs instead of the (useless) attack names.

I have the guidebook and can probably look up that Dante move. Can you describe it more (I don't play as Dante)? Is it an air or ground move? Does it generate fire or electricity, or is it just the sword slice?
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02/20/2011 01:36 AM (UTC)
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Traditionally MK delivers on perception, but not game play. Fighter games as a whole have been overhyped for about two years now. I still don't know what to think about MK as far as competitive play goes, but I doubt it based off of past iterations. I really wish we just had some all out fight videos to watch of the game, but we don't.
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02/20/2011 01:45 AM (UTC)
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mvc3 could be a million times better but damnit wesker is unbeatable if you use him right.wont have to use the 2 other characters you picked.
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02/20/2011 01:46 AM (UTC)
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its not a special move I dont think, I went through his whole special list.

And yes I know that option exists, but its not whole, it only shows the moves involved in that exact combo, Im talking a list of every move that can be done by the character without being restricted to mission mode and what the devs decide we should try.

as far as I remember, he stand there, his hand above his head, and the sword spins in his hand by the handle creating a bunch of slashes upwards of his head abover towards an airborn enemie. its a ground based move.
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02/20/2011 01:53 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
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02/20/2011 01:55 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
Eh, you guys are comparing apples and oranges when comparing the two games. How exactly are you going to compare the two games when they actually release when both are so different from one another?


Because SF=apples, MK=oranges, and oranges are just the better, healthier, tastier fruit. Oranges, orange jam, orange soda, orange marmalade, orange juice, orange dream-scicle ice cream... I mean, you don't see a color named "apple" do you? Orange wins, and by default, MK wins for being "orange".

... what? That's sound logic.


There's orange jam??
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02/20/2011 02:10 AM (UTC)
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as far as I remember, he stand there, his hand above his head, and the sword spins in his hand by the handle creating a bunch of slashes upwards of his head abover towards an airborn enemie. its a ground based move.


Hmm... not entirely certain, but maybe it's Prop Shredder? It says that's done by pressing S "during most gunfire attacks".
It shows pictures of each and every move, special and normal,
and that's the only one I see that looks like a possible match.
They only show one frame though, so it's hard to be certain sad
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02/20/2011 02:55 AM (UTC)
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@temp.

Good post.

Im not really underestimating the casuals. Im not gonna use the word "Casual" when it comes to myself because i completely dive into games that I play, my only fault here is that ive never had a lengthy dedication to any Street fighter or MVC game before. So this is really new to me.

That being said, with my experience in other fighting games, Im gonna go ahead and put myself in the middle range, im gonna say 6.5 outa 10 (10 being where I want to be.

So if anything, after only a few days, Im extremely satisfied with how far ive come in terms of Skill and ability in this game, so im rather praising the people who are new to it as anybody can seem like a pro with some dedication.

My real gripe is that they just figure alot of people will know all the moves. I actually had to dig and search through the instruction manuel on how to do a crossover counter and advanced guard as theres nothing in the game to help the players with this, same as the Team Air combos, I had to be told from somebody online.

Just a "Lack of giving new players an accessibility to the toolbox of resources needed to evolve into a great player" is what I should have said.

Yeah, I had that problem specifically with character swapping. Took me and my friends a few minutes to realize we had to hold the assists buttons. Speaking of assists, I'm sure that's what's ultimately going to make/break new players. I was never good at MvsC2 because I never understood how to incorporate my assists into the fray, and when I did, more often than not I got badly punished.

Shadaloo Wrote:
More along the lines of X-Factor, really. It does horrible, horrible things, especially when you're using someone like Sentinel.

X-Factor Sentinel is bad, but if you set your team up to have your best keep-away character in the final branch of the battle, Sentinel is going to have a lot of work to do. Even if he's up against your rushdown character, just keep in mind which moves of his have super-armor and plan from there. The best thing about going up against Sentinel is that you don't have to worry about that lame lame assist of his.

Sentinel, as far as I can tell, seems to be as bad as Vanilla Sagat. In other words, I'm convinced he's beatable, but two bad decisions against him can spell death. Those decisions are still (usually) cost heavy, though. I'm not convinced he's broken yet.
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02/20/2011 02:55 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Why is Trish in the game?


Because they needed to put Trish in in order to get Dante. The DMC team would only accept Dante to be in the game if Trish was in as well. Plus she-s pretty cool and powerful.

Garlador Wrote:
Of all the legendary Street Fighters, would anyone have picked Crimson Viper over the likes of Cammy, Guile, or even Alex?


Me. The ONLY other Street Fighter i would have taken over Ryu and C.Viper is Cammy. But C.Vipwer was a perfect choice/fit.

And Alex sucks ass and is fucking boring.
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02/20/2011 03:21 AM (UTC)
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TortureLegend Wrote:
Might or might not have anything to do with anything, but my neighborhood Gamestop already has 211 pre-orders for MK2011, and there are roughly 42 Gamestops here in Las Vegas, also told me that 3 of the 5 mall locations have over double the pre-orders then my neighborhood one has.

MvsC3, in my store, had 67 pre-orders, and MK2011 has another 2 months left.


Which gamestop do you go to bro? The one by Costco and Walmart??

I'll probably ask my local one when i go to pick up Pokemon next month, but i think they have ALOT of preorders.
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