i guess i can help with nw.

1) check is right b1 is not a free grab.


2) 2 gives a free grab ( 2 does 0% of damage.....2 is just a set up for a free grab)
112 is 98% safe and it give a free grab as well but in 112......2 does do damage.


3) 3 in waepon gives a free grab but only if you do it from a close range.

4) d,b,1 give you a free d,u,3 but only if you hit them with d,b,1 after they jump and they are still in the air.

5) i am not sure about this one but i think that 1 gives a free grab as well.

i hope this help.

Check ~ could you tell me how your escaping it?

i have tried to escape these, i cant. only thing you can do is roll or just get up, you cant duck for 1 frame either. how are you avoiding the free throw? its a major timing free throw.







GDragon ~ 1st stance means Val Tudo. weapon means ~ T Hawks.


Riu ~ I ll re try that 2 free throw. i must have over looked it or not tried hard enough. does the 2 really do just 0%? LOL i Remember Cham having a 0% attack also. WTF even the basic stuff gets over looked by boon and company.

Thanks again guys.

i will add that i had this drunk guy attacking my controller while doing NW.

after you roll you can backdash on the very first frame, if you watch it in slow motion, he starts the backdash 1) on the first frame AND 2) while he is still ducking/getting up/mid way up

tap up and back twice to backdash after a roll and you will avoid it. if you need a video of it, i will have no problem doing it for you and anything else you may need.

i will be starting a thread on how to use all the characters: match videos of all of them, maybe i will just post them here or something.

d3 on wall is a free throw ( Val tudo ) 2 is a free throw ( Val tudo )

3 in weapon gives a free du 3

the move that chameleon does that does no damage does damage when the computer does it to you

and no problem, great thread. keep em coming

i did post this also at the tko site

there is a way to cancel out their roll but its nearly impossible to do

as soon as they are about to roll, you jump over them and it will cause them to just stand up since you are over their head, the camera doesnt know which way to go so it just makes you stand up

another thing ive kept secret for a while ( actually i posted it in that glitch thread you had stickied in the mka forum before the game came out ) it was in mkd, also found by me. but doesnt reallyserve asmuch purpose as using QR to duck

its called duck canceling, you tap down and hold it on the first frame you recover after any low that starts with down ( d1 d3 d4 ) and your character will stand but really be ducking, it avoids all highs and throws and when down is let go at the same time a mid is done to you, and press block, YOU WILL BLOCK MID, seriously for some reason, blocking mid works 100% of the time with the duck canceling method, EVEN ONLINE, in mkd, for some reason, it was harder, ALOT harder, and didnt block all mids.

the downside to using duck canceling is its not as fast as doing QR on the first frame you recover to duck, there is about a 10 frame delay while using DC to duck. say for instance you did d1 and its blocked and you wanted to duck drahmins 11cs combo, if you used DC to duck, 11cs would hit you, but if you did QR, then ducked, it wouldnt. it takes a little longer, in fact, its too long to use in a high level match, but its still interesting, including the fact it makes you BLOCK MID like timing it like a parry, and pressing block as the mid is coming at you and letting go of down.

duck canceling will work off any low that starts with DOWN ( example: d3 d1 d4 )other then that it is nearly impossible to do, but works with any move by sliding your finger from back to down, on certain frames as steadily as possible. VERY HARD, but i have done it. even once vs konqrr in mkd.

ill make a vid for dc, but it was in MKEvolved i believe....

depending on the low, it really works well, subs shoto d1 being the best, or shaolin fist d1. other then that youre better off just using QR (jutsu) and ducking to duck faster, ( jutsu meaning the first and only frame QR lets you cancel now to duck quicker after moves,not as much unfortunatly )

im currently busy, but i will see in a few days what i can do

later

wow, i just went ahead and capped a few things for the duck canceling, and i just realized something great about mka

YOU CAN BLOCK MID ANYTIME YOU DUCK

when you duck, hold down, then press block while you duck, then let go of down right as the mid is about to hit you and you will block mid EVERYTIME. you dont need to duck cancel for it, just duck, and time the hit coming at you, works EVERYTIME. this is very cool, in mkd, it was much harder for some reason. the frames seem to be much more full this time. weird, lol.

ill post a thread about it soon, along with DC, almost done with it. just gotta do 2 more things 1) in practice show how to DC ( the timing of when you press aka pressing down on the first frame you recover ) 2) show how to block mid ( the timing of prssing block while ducking and letting go of down )

so then would they work againist walls then?

thanks for the info. great stuff. the blocking of mids sounds interesting indeed!! ill have to learn this.


ill update the NW thing later.

also you should just add the vids for each character to this thread. im sure it'll get sticked by then and when you post each vid ill just add them to the character. giving you full credit ofcourse!!


also I WANT TO PLAY YOU IN MKA damn it. Just for fun, thats how i play now. no bragging no bs. just fun but playing at a high level. i just want to play some one new. thats how i learn and steal my stuff. im dying to see your MKA Hotaru. im sure you'd want to see my tanya.

i can play anytime tonight i have off from work.

FROST

1st Stance

High Mid

1/1,1/1,1,1
D+1 ~ This is the only time it hits a blocking foe.
2
D+2
4
UP+4

Mid

The 2nd 2 of the 2,2 combo

Unpariable lows

B+3 ~Dishes out 11% damage for a low
D+3
B+4

Unpariable attacks other then lows

None

Unblockable Attacks

None

Free Throws

None

Weapon Stance

High Mid

1/1,1/1,1,1
2
B+2
3
B+3
4

Mid

D+4

Unpariable lows

D+1
D+3

Unpariable attacks other then lows

None

Unblockable Attacks

None

Free Throws

1,1,1 walk up SS throw

Specials

Unpariable

Ground Freeze
Ice Puddle

Unblockable

Ice Puddle



Note to self and others
I mean Wow giving her pretty much zero mids is shocking. i had no clue, i thought Kitana was bad.

Ice Puddle reduces damage given.

After a pop up in 1st stance, damage is majorly reduced.

thats awesome dude, although, this thread should be stickied already

wow sareenas ff1 is so easy to block mid, its pretty funny actually, i did just about all the useful mids the last 2 days, and im gonna release that along with the other vid.

i really want to play you too, i feel bad, but i dont know if i can do it tonight. im gonna PM you around 12 or 1, ok? maybe a little later, 2ish.

been a long time since ive fought, lol. been using kai kobra shinnok, hmm.. thats all i can remember, im not very good with anyone besides scorp though, my hotaru is ok i guess.... yea i wanna see your tanya, btw, i was watching some fights of yours on youtube last night against versatile, NICE JOB!! d4 is too good. i always try to pick apart what i could of done in matches i watch if it was me playing, but vs your tanya id have no answer, lol. probably dairou, lol

i can cap too if you want, our first series in MKA 0_0

anyway, im gonna be PMing real soon, thanks for letting me know your schedule, but you can always PM me and we can do this, finally.


btw, something new i found last night with Duck Canceling, it works when you block low, lol. like you tap down and block to duck block, then hold down, and let go of block, and your character will stand, but really be ducking, its pretty cool, but hard to do.

but damn d1 shotokan is too good with duck canceling, i cant wait to make this little vid of both. the blocking mid stuff is awesome as well.

ill hit u up in a little while, oh, and

on the wall if you do that free throw, you will have to jump over me regardless if you wanted to try and throw off it. either way, after you jump over me, and i roll, i can backdash, i have room to either way you try to jump over me, because after i roll ill just roll along the wall, and remember, when you start the backdash you are ducking still. its a constantly moving frame, so it cant be thrown off of, not a stun or anything, its being done off of a roll.

for the record, there is no other way to avoid this free throw then backdashing after you roll

ima make a vid for it right now, and ill get it up sometime.

later

http://download.yousendit.com/A0C200531FEA26F9

http://download.yousendit.com/87EC8D04253F88F3

there you go dan, and everyone else, thats how jumpover rollout throws are escaped.

you can really see it in the second one, when sub starts to backdash, he is ducking.

later

QUAN CHI

1st Stance


High Mid

1/,1,1
2
F+2
B+2
D+2
3
4/4,4

Mid

B+1

Unpariable lows

D+3
B+3
D+4

Unpariable attacks other then lows

NONE

Unblockable Attacks

NONE

Free Throws

2 walk up throw

Weapon Stance



High Mid

2
D+2
B+2
3
4


Mid

1
B+3
F+4

Unpariable lows

The 3 of the 2,3 combo

Unpariable attacks other then lows

NONE

Unblockable Attacks

NONE

Free Throws

1 THROW!! This one you have to be super fast
2 walk up and throw
4 walk up and throw


Specials


Unpariable

all but heel slide

Mid

Heel Slide
Body Stomp



Note to self and others

After his throw your foe cant Wake up giving you 50/50 hits

after his throw you can hit them while their coming down from the air. the timing has to be perfect. i tend to just spam on the 1 button after i throw. online i cant get it to ever connect.

Good job man

REPTILE

1st Stance


High Mid

1/1,1/1,1B+1
D+2
3/3,3/3,3,3

Mid

2
4/4,1
UP+4

Unpariable lows

D+1
D+3
B+3
D+4

Unpariable attacks other then lows

NONE

Unblockable Attacks

NONE

Free Throws

4,3 WALK UP THROW

Weapon Stance


High Mid

1
2
B+2
4


Mid


UP+1
B+1
the 2nd 2 of the 2,2 combo (or 1,2,2
D+2
3,3
D+3
B+4
D+4

Unpariable lows

B+3

Unpariable attacks other then lows

NONE

Unblockable Attacks

NONE

Free Throws

3 WALK UP AND THROW


Specials

Unpariable

Chameleon
Rolling Spikes
Acid Spit

MOTARO


High Mid

D+2
4
B+4

Mid

B+1
2/2,2
B+2

Unpariable lows

D+3
D+4

Unpariable attacks other then lows

NONE

Unblockable Attacks

NONE


Free Throws

NONE


Specials

Unpariable

Tail Projectile

Mid

Donkey Kick
Invincible Attack

Donkey Kick ~ Basically if your foe is attacking you and your doing the donkey kick you wont be touched but they will be. theres no trade off hits w/ this move.


Note to self and others

his Propel attack in his Mount stance ~ if up close or a 1/4 away from your foe it hits low. from a distance its a high attack.
Forum Member HEY~NOW adds ~ It is also invincible on parry and on dissabling attacks such as smoke cloud and ice. What ever moves you try after parry or other dissablers will go rite through him. ill have to confirm this, im not 100% for sure. ill trust him for now.

RAIN

1st Stance


High Mid

1/1,1
F+2
D+2
4/4,4

Mid

2

Unpariable lows

D+3
B+3/B+3,F+3
D+4

Unpariable attacks other then lows

NONE

Unblockable Attacks

NONE

Free Throws

NONE

Weapon Stance



High Mid

B+1
B+2
3
F+3
4/4,4/4,4,4

Mid

1
THE 2ND 2 OF THE 2,2 COMBO
D+2
D+3
D+4
UP+4

Unpariable lows

B+3
B+4


Unpariable attacks other then lows

NONE

Unblockable Attacks

NONE

Free Throws

you need to be real close

1 quickly press throw
4,4 QUICKLY Throw

Specials

Unpariable

Shocking Bolt
Water Blast

Unblockable

Shocking Bolt

Free Throws
Shocking bolt ~ once they land quickly throw.

Note to self and others

not sure who this benifits just yet, or if its worth doing

After Rain does his Shocking Bolt Special if his foe parries right before they are hit they end up flying twice the distance then normal. depending on where both are standing rains foe could end up on the other side of the screen.
the parry has to be done right as Shocking bolt is about to hit.

1) reptiles d1 in 1st stance can be parried

2) rains 44 in weapon is a free throw on the wall. ( very hard )

3) rains thunder bolt thing leads to a free throw

later

It is also invincible on parry and on dissabling attacks such as smoke cloud and ice. What ever moves you try after parry or other dissablers will go rite through him. People always cry about lag...lol Also it hits mid

thanks. i was trying forever to get the 44 w/ rain to work i just wasnt fast enough. your faster w/ the buttons so i trust you 100%.

i knew about the Bolt thing, but it kinda isnt a "free grab" so to say since his foe is disabled for a few ticks any way. ill add it just for the sake of adding it tho.


Reptile d+1 hmm i could have sworn it wasnt, this i have to make sure.

thanks for all the help bring it as often as possible buddy


Hey~now ~ thanks i added your info.

ok, i need to test things to make sure before i post them

1) d1 is not parryable, wtf? this whole time i thought it was

2) 44 is definitly a free throw, you just have to throw on the first frame u recover. ( cancel into a throw )

3) ill just have to test this to make sure, i could of sworn it was a free throw

and no problem dude, you know i love ya ; )

rains thunder bolt is definitly a free throw if you do either

1) ss throw at anytime.

2) if the thunderbolt sends them over you, walk up, and throw

Hey dan that info I added should be under his donkey kick attack not propel.Just so you know.

Who you calling a donkey .

lol . lol . lol

Dam man I wouldnt call you a donkey. I'd call you a JACKASS....lol