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blackcyborgPosted: 01/24/2013 04:45 PMStatus ::


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Justice League Movie (Roster revealed?)

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/24/justice-league-movies-roster-revealed

"According to Latino-Review, the final five members of the onscreen JLA are Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern."

They did say there may be room for a cameo or two...

Well, prepare for the Martian Manhunter and Aquaman disappointment. lol

But, to be honest, it does suck not to have them in, but for the first movie I think you can only focus on so much. Oh well...

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All I read was "roster revealed" and I thought there had been a leak about injustice, lol.

Given that Aqua Man and Martian Manhunter were founding members, I'm not wild about this. Actually, this is mistake #2 in my opinion. Making a Justice League movie without having singular films for each character working as a bedrock is going to cause problems. The movie could be amazing, but it's going to be a hell of a task to make it good.

The reason Avengers worked so well was because it wasn't drenched in exposition. If Whedon actually had to setup every main character within the movie itself, it would have been a mess. On top of that, producers understood what audiences liked about each character due to their individual films, and they were able to successfully incorporate that into Avengers.

Granted, there has been the Batman films and a Green Lantern movie, but we're not going to be seeing Nolan's Batman, and I didn't hear very positive things about the Lantern film.

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blackcyborgPosted: 01/24/2013 05:08 PMStatus ::


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I think BAtman and Superman can go without any sort of explination or origins etc. They are 2 of the most iconic and well known superheroes in culture as a whole, so there's really no reason to waste any time explaining what 99% already know. As for Lantern, WW, and Flash...that's where some explination will be needed.

So yeah, hopefully they'll pull it off, but it's going to be so easy to rush it and mess it up.

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I can't even begin to tell you how unimpressionable, unjustly, unarguably, undeniably, unreasonably disappointed I am by this decision. This is right around the type of treatment I'd expect for Martian Manhunter. It's the kinda thing he's gotten for almost his entirety. Well done DC. You succeeded in failing with this character yet again...

On a side note, I am happy flash and lantern will be getting some well deserved screen time.

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blackcyborgPosted: 01/24/2013 06:29 PMStatus ::


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Not every character is gonna be represnted or be featured right off the bat. Getting 7 people in 1the movie would have been a disater, seeing as beyond superman and batman, most casual fans have no idea who or what to expect from the rest. So you can't really be that surprised.

Meanwhile, if you want mm being represented well, go watch the animated jla series. Im around 20. Episodes in, and he's featured as much if not more than the rest.

Sucks he's not in, but idk why its unjust to him, when aquaman, green arrow, hawkman etc. aren't in either. He wouldn't be done Justice even if he was in, because nobody would know him and with that many people, that's not the time for properly done origin stories.

Lastly, they said there's potential for cameos, so he could be in, just not as much as the rest.

This is just rumors, not official. No need to start feeling insulted. Gotta be rational here. Better to have a great JLA movie, with 5 people, than a cluttered mediocre mess with 7 people.

Think positive and rationally. Its not just all about leaving people out for whatever reason just to leave them out.

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Not every character is gonna be represnted or be featured right off the bat. Getting 7 people in 1the movie would have been a disater, seeing as beyond superman and batman, most casual fans have no idea who or what to expect from the rest. So you can't really be that surprised.

I'm just gonna stop here and quote this bit. Fans won't know who or what to expect because Batman and Superman are constantly around. I mean now theirs talks of Batman getting another reboot in 2017? WTG. I just love how all these characters are always pushed aside for the more popular ones. It's no wonder people don't recognize these UN-popular ones. They don't even get considered half the time. Until Recently. I'll explain below.

And Aquaman and Hawkman are also Victims I agree.

Green Arrow, I respect him but he spent so much time with superman in the smallville series he was almost always around. And now he has his own live action series. He's taking off. So You really can't consider him underused anymore. Especially with his Inclusion in Injustice now.

I can't deny how I feel, it's painstakingly irritating to get excited when a FIRM JL movie is coming and the Founding Member is not present in any sort of Lead role. It's not like he's a new recruit. He's a Founding Member. That's where my Argument lye's.

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blackcyborgPosted: 01/24/2013 07:26 PMStatus ::


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You have to understand its a business. They do these to make money, not just for fun. Reason why Batman already has a reboot planned, is because he can draw lots of money. People, more than just comic book diehards, love batman and his villains.

Green Lantern flopped. That was their attempt at making some more A listers more popular and well known. It failed.

Im not saying its the characters fault, im saying they obviously just don't know how to market some of their characters. Not everybody will take to lantern, flash, manhunter etc. as easily as they do batman and to a lesser extent, superman. They found a way to make Batman work. They just don't know how to make the others work that well yet.

I don't know, we don't have the answers. But they don't hate money, and if they though mm or aquaman were gonna make them money, they'd have been pushing for their movies already.

I just feel as if you let your love for a character cloud your perception of the nature of the business. That's what it is, a business. DC cancels their comics that don't sell well. If something does do well, they keep pushing it. That's any business. You act as if they hate this character, they purposely neglect him, and just want to disappoint you. I highly doubt that's true. Martian Manhunter has had his spotlights from time to time, its not like he's been bannished from everything they do. Removed from history.

As I said, id rather have a movie done right without him, than a movie done sub par with him. Because if its done right, there's always a sequel or stand alone movies from there. If its done wrong, they may just give up on the live action front beyond batman and superman.

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It's not quite clear why Green Lantern flopped, though. I feel part of that had to do with the fact that the film's portrayal drifted too far from the comics. That muscle-tissue suit looked awful, IMO.

More importantly, the reviews were overwhelmingly bad. Word of mouth really hurt that film. I haven't seen it, so I can't comment.

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You have to understand its a business. They do these to make money, not just for fun. Reason why Batman already has a reboot planned, is because he can draw lots of money. People, more than just comic book diehards, love batman and his villains.



Green Lantern flopped. That was their attempt at making some more A listers more popular and well known. It failed.



Im not saying its the characters fault, im saying they obviously just don't know how to market some of their characters. Not everybody will take to lantern, flash, manhunter etc. as easily as they do batman and to a lesser extent, superman. They found a way to make Batman work. They just don't know how to make the others work that well yet.



I don't know, we don't have the answers. But they don't hate money, and if they though mm or aquaman were gonna make them money, they'd have been pushing for their movies already.



I just feel as if you let your love for a character cloud your perception of the nature of the business. That's what it is, a business. DC cancels their comics that don't sell well. If something does do well, they keep pushing it. That's any business. You act as if they hate this character, they purposely neglect him, and just want to disappoint you. I highly doubt that's true. Martian Manhunter has had his spotlights from time to time, its not like he's been bannished from everything they do. Removed from history.



As I said, id rather have a movie done right without him, than a movie done sub par with him. Because if its done right, there's always a sequel or stand alone movies from there. If its done wrong, they may just give up on the live action front beyond batman and superman.


Okay, I get that. The GL movie wasn't great. I get that but I enjoyed it, call it a desperate attempt at avoiding the hate and seeing for myself why it was that bad. IMHO It wasn't that bad, sure it spent more time on EARTH then OA. But it still had it's clicking moments. And even when the movie did bad, they still started a cartoon series Based on Hal Jordans GL alone

Here: http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/green-lantern/index.html

So yea, maybe the movie didn't do so great, but it flushed out the character in a way that other people weren't hesitant in trying to flush him out in other forms of cinematic media. Thus that animated series.

I know MM was in JLUnlimited. I watched EVERY episode he ever appeared in. Believe me, I know him inside and out bro. I'm not a rookie fan. That's why I'm so vocal about him.

My thought is, even if somehow a movie came out about MM, and granted it didn't do well. At the very LEAST people would then know who he was and be curious to see more. Manhunter has sci-fi written all over him bro. You know how much could be done with him? But back to what I was saying, even if the movie for him didn't do well. Writers and Directors would at least know enough to fish around with their own ideas and bring him into more and more media. Thus increasing his Notoriety and Popularity.

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Personally, I thought it was alright. Not good, not bad, just average. Definitely didn't have the effect Iron Man did, whereas most audiences wouldn't know who Iron Man was years before his film, but afterwards he shot way up in popularity, which definitely helped the later films leading into Avengers. With Lantern, it just didn't feel as if it were anything "epic". Story wasn't that great, effects looked sub-par in today's standards, and the characters just didn't catch on like Cap and Iron Man did for me. I say that because going into those 3 films, I wasn't huge on any of those characters previously, yet walking out of Iron Man and Cap I became a bigger fan, whereas Lantern I was pretty much the same.

This Superman movie this year looks phenomenal though. The trailer alone has me more excited about the character.

I just think DC needs to hire the right writers, who know the comics and the characters and what has made them click in the comics, then get them to do the same for the big screen. They need to take their time, give it the right budget, great directors who have a good history of making good films, and get good ACTORS, not just who they think people like. What made the Dark Knight Trilogy work, is they hired great actors, great writing(who knew the comics and characters), and they made things translate well to the screen.

If they rush these things or half ass it, Green Lantern is likely the result. Same with Superman Returns.

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Personally, I thought it was alright. Not good, not bad, just average. Definitely didn't have the effect Iron Man did, whereas most audiences wouldn't know who Iron Man was years before his film, but afterwards he shot way up in popularity, which definitely helped the later films leading into Avengers. With Lantern, it just didn't feel as if it were anything "epic". Story wasn't that great, effects looked sub-par in today's standards, and the characters just didn't catch on like Cap and Iron Man did for me. I say that because going into those 3 films, I wasn't huge on any of those characters previously, yet walking out of Iron Man and Cap I became a bigger fan, whereas Lantern I was pretty much the same.



This Superman movie this year looks phenomenal though. The trailer alone has me more excited about the character.



I just think DC needs to hire the right writers, who know the comics and the characters and what has made them click in the comics, then get them to do the same for the big screen. They need to take their time, give it the right budget, great directors who have a good history of making good films, and get good ACTORS, not just who they think people like. What made the Dark Knight Trilogy work, is they hired great actors, great writing(who knew the comics and characters), and they made things translate well to the screen.



If they rush these things or half ass it, Green Lantern is likely the result. Same with Superman Returns.

I honestly agree here. With everything. But you can't tell me an animated Series based solely on the lead role of Martian Manhunter couldn't be as cool as Marvels Silver Surfer Cartoon? Hell at least we'd get some back story on all the events on mars prior to Mahunter being brought to earth by Dr. Saul Erdel. That would be so amazing man.

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blackcyborgPosted: 01/24/2013 08:19 PMStatus ::


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It would be cool, and anything is possible. It's been confirmed they are planning on making better animated movies, and they are already great as it is, and they want one out a year, so maybe we'll get some stuff on him or more JLA stuff featuring him.

However, when it comes to cartoons, Martian Manhunter was in the JLA one as we know, and as we know it really didn't boost his popularity profoundly. I'm sure it gained some fans such as yourself etc. But it wasn't the big break through you are seeking. So who knows. Some people just don't catch on. Not saying he's already had his chance, just saying he has had some moments, and as far as I know he's still not known about from the general audience. Just recently he was in Justice LEague: Doom, so it'll be interesting to see if he appears in anything else coming up.

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I can't even begin to tell you how unimpressionable, unjustly, unarguably, undeniably, unreasonably disappointed I am by this decision.
That was some nice alliteration man. I refuse to believe that Martian Manhunter is that unknown and unpopular. His time in the DCAU and how often he popped up in Smallville toward the end had to have done SOMETHING for him and his visibility. He just needs a chance.
Black Widow and Hawkeye weren't SUPER popular before the Avengers but the success of that has carried over into lots of other things.

Also it wouldn't hurt having a fan favorite in the film. Especially since DC is iffy with their movie quality.
Totally forgot he was in The Batman as well and Young Justice. People definitely now him by now.

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This is in direct conflict with Cosmic Book News' report on the roster some weeks ago:

Cosmic Book News is reporting some story and character tidbits as revealed by an unnamed source.

According to their report, Superman will be the same character from the upcoming "Man of Steel," and director Zack Snyder will act as a consultant on "League."

In "Legaue," a new Batman (not Christian Bale) will be a main character who is wary about his ties to the group and finds its other heroes to be too powerful for their own good.

Wonder Woman will also be a part of the team. The in-development "Wonder Woman" solo script (by Michael Goldenberg) will supposedly take place before "Justice League."

The story continues, saying that Green Lantern will essentially be the Ryan Reynolds character from that film, only with a more serious tone. Furthermore, the Flash will be depicted as a "flashy" hero who craves public adoration and media attention, while the Martian Manhunter will be an Earthbound alien who has experience with the powerful Darkseid. Meanwhile, Aquaman will be shown as the King of Atlantis and have a key role, while Alfred Pennyworth and Lois Lane (Amy Adams?) will have small parts. Lastly, the film's military characters may tie into "Man of Steel" or even include "Green Lantern's" Amanda Waller (played by Angela Bassett).



I'm not really sure I can trust either 'leak'.

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YYeah I stated these were just rumors, so nobody should take anything as concrete. We wont know that until its made for everyone to know. This was just the latest article to be put out there.

So who knows.

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At this point in time, I'm pretty much ready for anything.

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the fact of no arrow or mmh pisses me off

youd think with how the arrow tv show is doing in the ratings they would add them. sadly they wont

i have absolutley zero faith in a jla film

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I really feel like pushing them all into a movie together right now without giving each character their own movie is a relatively bad idea. Each (main) character in the Avengers had their own movie first (minus Black Widow, who was in Iron Man 2, and Hawkeye). If they try to put everyone's origin in a JLA movie, it would make the movie far too long and I feel like they will leave key things out in order to make the movie a reasonable length. Plus, the characters wouldn't be established and I feel like it would make you care less about the character. I really don't feel like a Wonder Woman movie will happen first.

The only established JLA members would be Batman and Superman, and it wouldn't even be the same Batman. I don't feel like you can count the Green Lantern as established because the general consensus of that movie is that it was a failure.

Plus, Marvel is making all these movies for other characters that they plan to include in the Avengers 2, as well as standalone movies most of the other characters. I figure that if a JLA movie did well, they'd probably give a few, if not all, of the characters their own movie.

I just feel that doing an origin movie first would be a better move overall.

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I really feel like pushing them all into a movie together right now without giving each character their own movie is a relatively bad idea. Each (main) character in the Avengers had their own movie first (minus Black Widow, who was in Iron Man 2, and Hawkeye). If they try to put everyone's origin in a JLA movie, it would make the movie far too long and I feel like they will leave key things out in order to make the movie a reasonable length. Plus, the characters wouldn't be established and I feel like it would make you care less about the character. I really don't feel like a Wonder Woman movie will happen first.



The only established JLA members would be Batman and Superman, and it wouldn't even be the same Batman. I don't feel like you can count the Green Lantern as established because the general consensus of that movie is that it was a failure.



Plus, Marvel is making all these movies for other characters that they plan to include in the Avengers 2, as well as standalone movies most of the other characters. I figure that if a JLA movie did well, they'd probably give a few, if not all, of the characters their own movie.



I just feel that doing an origin movie first would be a better move overall.

I definitely see what you're saying, and in all fairness we already know all the canon details, information, and backstory on Batman and Superman. We as fans and readers know what they are capable of. We've seen it many times before. Past and Present. Now, I get that these are the top players of DC Comics. But in all seriousness they are overused to an extent. Do I hate Superman? Not at all. I enjoy a good film or animated movie with him. I have mad love for Sups. I just really think if the JLA movie was made. It could of centered attention on the lesser talked about/used JLA members. Like, Canary, Manhunter, Aquaman, Hawkman, etc. But it's all about popularity, sales and marketing. I know, I know. I understand media goes for Key characters. But with all due respect, it grows tiresome seeing the same characters recycled every year. However, I will wholeheartedly admit, DC did take risk in making the Spectre Animated short as well as Superman/Shazam! The Return of Black Adam. They did good by giving us back story on these characters. I can't complain, it was really refreshing. I just hope this influence continues and they widen their horizons and continue with other characters too.

I respect all comic characters equally. I would never take out my frustration on a character. It's all the press, hype, money, and fan reaction whom of which encourage these decisions. Which is why Games like Call of Duty get the rinse and repeat every year. Do you realize how many people are Sick of CoD? And Lets face it, even though I own them all. Black Ops 2 MP was terrible and I can now admit the game is getting repetitive with all the flaws and constant copy and paste method every year/every game.

I hear what BlackCyborg and You are saying about the sales and characters being used could potentially pave the way for other characters. But lets face it. How many actual attempts at making lesser known/underused characters have been made. Outside of the GL movie people disliked? Exactly, sure GL wasn't great. I know and understand why people didn't like it. But that doesn't mean you will get the same results with different characters/writers/directors. If given the right script it could be amazing. It's the confidence level that DC lacks that kills any and all hopes for other characters to develop in front of an audience, strongly due to lack of confidence.

But anyway, We have no REAL confirmation on anything at this point. I'll let the cards fall where they may, and hope for the best. (X)

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I get what you're saying about characters being overused, and I agree, but I feel that with something like this, the popular characters (Batman, Superman, Flash, etc.) will pave the way for less popular characters (Captain Atom, Hawkman, etc.).

I'm not just saying this to get on your good side, but I am disappointed and surprised about them possibly leaving out MM. That's a disservice to any fans of DC that goes beyond Batman and Superman. The Flash was always a given to me to be in this movie.

I'm surprised about them leaving Aquaman out, but I certainly get that. It's kind of hard to use a guy who only has super powers in water. I can see a possibly cameo for him, but not a major role. I'd much rather see MM than Aquaman anyway.

But I'm hoping at this point, like you said, it's all just speculation.

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After rereading all the replies, it seems like the prime justification for leaving out Aquaman and MM is that there wouldn't be any dramatic room to develop them. I don't know if I really buy this. It seems you guys are assuming that if MM was in the movie, he would have to be integral to resolving the plot's conflict. That's not true, though. These two characters only have to do ONE thing: establish the Justice League. Any other role they have could be completely auxiliary.

And if you consider the position of these two characters specifically, it would be easy to rationalize their lack of presence. If Aquaman is doing his part in the ocean, and MM is performing his role on (I presume) mars, incorporating them into the story without overbearing exposition would be a reasonable task. Flash and Wonder Woman could get the development they need while MM/Aqua do their parts in the background.

In the hands of a good writer, this would be easy to do. I mean, did Hawkeye and Black Widow ruin the Avengers film?

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I really don't feel like a Wonder Woman movie will happen first.
I doubt Flash will get his own movie as well.

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After rereading all the replies, it seems like the prime justification for leaving out Aquaman and MM is that there wouldn't be any dramatic room to develop them. I don't know if I really buy this. It seems you guys are assuming that if MM was in the movie, he would have to be integral to resolving the plot's conflict. That's not true, though. These two characters only have to do ONE thing: establish the Justice League. Any other role they have could be completely auxiliary.



And if you consider the position of these two characters specifically, it would be easy to rationalize their lack of presence. If Aquaman is doing his part in the ocean, and MM is performing his role on (I presume) mars, incorporating them into the story without overbearing exposition would be a reasonable task. Flash and Wonder Woman could get the development they need while MM/Aqua do their parts in the background.



In the hands of a good writer, this would be easy to do. I mean, did Hawkeye and Black Widow ruin the Avengers film?

Good points. And lets be honest, The little cameo Hawkeye made in the Thor film helped people understand what kind of a character they had to look forward to in Avengers. And I think Hawkeye was a Phenomenal presence in the Avengers movie. Especially the Freeze Frame Arrow Shooting Scene! Stellar! They could do what you listed above. It worked in the Mortal Kombat movie, because lets face it. F4RoTSS they had almost all characters working together and it was an amazing outcome. I'm sure their will be others who say differently. My only gripe about the F4 movie would of been the Cloud formation of Galactus.

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If you're going to have Martian Manhunter appear, the movie's plot has to be ABOUT his arrival and the League fighting a White Martian invasion, like the pilot episode of the JL cartoon was.

And since it's already confirmed that the flick's villain is Darkseid...well there you go. Cutting it down to just the most recognizeable five makes sense for a first outing.

Personally though, I wish they were going with the script from the last time there was a JLA film in the works, when the villains were Max Lord and the OMACs. I read that script and it was actually really awesome, they even worked in a really emotional version of Barry Allen running himself to death and passing the mantle to Wally West at the end.

It just would be really nice to save Darkseid for later instead of jumping right into an alien invasion plot and risking comparisons to the Avengers or being a shallow Michael Bay-style all-action, no-character story like the first arc of Geoff Johns and Jim Lee's Nu52 JL comic was.

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