In retort, I find it hard to believe that they would have completely developed a character model, such as Monster, and not have him playable in the game - it just seems like such a waste of programming and design time, seeing as programming him into the game would have been quite simple, with him having the same moves as scorpion and all.

And the same goes for the complete puzzle fighter models for characters such as Onaga. We know through hacks that they are in the code and are able to be visually represented in puzzle kombat. So why on Earth would those very complete and very detailed models be in the game if the are not intended to be playable? I realize that extra content is sometimes just "left" on the DVD, but we knew from E3 that they even had models and special moves for puzzle characters that, according to Boon, are not playable beyond the standard 12.

I guess what bothers me is that working from your conclusions, Scott, we would have to assume all of these character models are vestigal. Only for the MKDA models does that seem feasible...especially since, in the hack, they are lacking key components such as special moves, complete move sets, and icons under their fighting bars. But not for models such as Monster and Onaga.

Call me stubborn, but I'm not gonna give up on SU's yet. Unless you personally talked to Ed Boon (which you very well may have) then I sumbit that his answers were ambiguous and thought-provoking at best (albeit very joking and teasing). For example, his team answered "yes" "no" and "maybe" to the question of SU's. Who's to say your interpretation of the truth is the correct one?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is 1) Explain the plethora of vestigal, fully rendered character models and 2) Did you talk to Ed off the clock giving your interpretation some validity over mine or anyone else's? And above and beyond those fundamental questions, 3) why did Admin not choose to ask questions pertaining to the relevance of the Kombat Kodex? This seemed to be the most prominent source of debate on the forums and one of the most anticipated questions. Missing it disappointed us.

Please respond in entirety, as I and many others will probably not accept your conculsions until such questions are answered.

The MK team makes some amazing games, no doubt. This is my personal favorite since II. But I suggest that they get back to the secrets with MK7. Even if it is just ABACABB on the menu or something simple like that times about 10

Assuming no SU's to be true, we can assume all vestigal character models that are in the game (unlockable with a codebreaker) are just that - vestigal - just like your appendix. They are in the code for one reason or another, and for some reason unbeknownst to us, they were not actually wired in the code to be playble. This sucks, and it is very hard to believe from a logical standpoint, but sadly it must be true.

As for the Kombet Kodex, I still don't know why it wasn't addressed. I'd like an admin response on this one. But it just looks like a bunch of teasers, or at the very most, a HUGE hoax and one hell of an intricate mapping system thought up by some kid with WAY too much time on his hands. Again, what a sad waste of our time. But we wasted out time trying to find secrets in Deadly Alliance, and it's happening again. Some will still persist, but this thread and the rationale that Scott has set fourth should be reason enough to stop and simply enjoy this magnificent game, as well as appreciate the effort the staff put into Fight Night.

If I may propose a counterargument ...on the flip side, Ed Boon and company are not ignorant - they realize that we DO have the internet and we DO use it for codes and cheats. In this way, I can argue that the team underestimated us and should have made some things so obscure that the odds of finding them would be so obscure that it would take months to even appear on a forum.

Then again, you have really really good hackers out there, ones that can even play as characters we were never designed to control! Hackers that probably can unscramble the Midway developers' programming code any day of the week. And I'm sure Midway isn't going to hire "Neo" to encrypt secrets in their game - its not practical to time or budget restraints.

So perhaps finding all the secrets within 2 weeks would be inevitable either way.

I think what people miss though are codes like random button combinations that bring up hidden menus - basically things that we cannot initially see. We KNOW koffins and keys are there, because well, they are there, out in the open, asking to be unlocked. We KNEW raiden and liu kang were playable because we saw their shadows on the select screen. Hopefully in MK7 we will see secret select screens, menus, and characters that are not apparent to the naked eye, and add more of a shock value when they are discovered. I think that's what Midway needs to get back to. I think those kind of hidden things are the ones that excite fans the most.