Two characters that should be in the game, and these 2 are no ordinary characters
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posted04/17/2014 07:49 PM (UTC)by
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12/11/2004 11:40 PM (UTC)
they should put Takeda, a former member of lin kuei and is the founder of the Shirai Ryu and also Bellok who was going to be in mortal kombat gold but midway took him out
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01/08/2006 05:43 AM (UTC)
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How about no? tongue

Isn't Takeda from Mortal Kombat: Conquest?
I've gotta say, as interesting as having Scorpion's clan be an off-shoot derivative of the Lin Kuei, it's just... I don't know. It's messy.

It's already iffy enough with people complaining about who is and isn't legitimately a ninja. I just think it's an uncomfortable thing to try to do, without further compromising the legitimacy of the Lin Kuei. That, and then you allude back to the palette swaps, which is something I think just needs to be forgotten.

Bellok seemed kinda boring.
Drahmin and Moloch were visually a lot more interesting.

Maybe with some work, he might be worth it.
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01/08/2006 05:52 AM (UTC)
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What Mick said, lol.
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01/08/2006 08:46 AM (UTC)
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in the actual storyline, Scorp's clan leader was takeda...
That's canon. Scorp's clan is an off shot of the Lin Kuei. Him being a playable character would actually be pretty cool.wink
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01/08/2006 04:57 PM (UTC)
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Bellokk- Although I thought he was a cool design, I don't think we'll ever see him. He was created by Eurocom (the guys who ported MKG to Dreamcast) and Midway cut him out, and swapped him for Goro.

Takeda- Maybe. He is a canon character, Takeda is talked about in MKM: SZ as being the founder of the Shirai Ryu. If done right, having him around could give Scorpion's storyline a boost. I had a theory a while ago that Monster was Takeda brought back to fight for the Elder Gods, that would be a way to explain why he fights exactly like Scorpion.
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01/08/2006 06:29 PM (UTC)
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red_dragon Wrote:
Bellokk- Although I thought he was a cool design, I don't think we'll ever see him. He was created by Eurocom (the guys who ported MKG to Dreamcast) and Midway cut him out, and swapped him for Goro.

Takeda- Maybe. He is a canon character, Takeda is talked about in MKM: SZ as being the founder of the Shirai Ryu. If done right, having him around could give Scorpion's storyline a boost. I had a theory a while ago that Monster was Takeda brought back to fight for the Elder Gods, that would be a way to explain why he fights exactly like Scorpion.


I agree about Belokk. I liked the design, but since he was a Eurocom creation and the idea was scrapped, I doubt we'll see him.

As for Takeda, well, he's dead, long dead. Takeda and Monster being the same would be somewhat interesting I guess.
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01/08/2006 11:28 PM (UTC)
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red_dragon Wrote:
Bellokk- Although I thought he was a cool design, I don't think we'll ever see him. He was created by Eurocom (the guys who ported MKG to Dreamcast) and Midway cut him out, and swapped him for Goro.

Eurocom didn't port MKG for Dreamcast, but MK4 for Playstation, N64 and PC. MKG was made only for Dreamcast.

Belokk (one L, two K) was a character that was developed by Eurocom indeed, but they did not have the time to finish him. Ed Boon said so and that was the official reason why he didn't make it to the game. The second (unofficial) reason was that Midway simply didn't like him. His design was far from cool.

Midway didn't swap him for Goro either. Goro was already in home edition of MK4 and Belokk was intended for MKG. And since they already disliked him, I doubt we'll see him in the future.
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01/08/2006 11:56 PM (UTC)
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Iamnick Wrote:
in the actual storyline, Scorp's clan leader was takeda...
That's canon. Scorp's clan is an off shot of the Lin Kuei. Him being a playable character would actually be pretty cool.wink


Yes, the Shirai Ryu is the clan that was formed by the first ninja, Takeda, after he left the Lin Kuei. From his clan, many others were formed. He also created the primary discipline and philosophy of the ninja, Ninjitsu, himself. He's not real, obviously, since there is no Lin Kuei that we are aware of. However, there are ninjas, spies and assassins that were often employed by the head honchos in Japan, kinda like Scorpion was by Quan Chi.

You have to realise that this was back in the feudal age, however, many hundreds of years before the original MK (or maybe not that long). And even if it hadn't been that long ago, the Shirai Ryu were all slaughtered by Quan Chi. If any ninja from that clan returned, Takeda or otherwise, he would have to be brought back from death. And the role of hellspawn spectre seeking revenge is not only taken, but stale too.

If anything, Bellok, or whatever, is the only feasible character of the two, and I think they dropped him in favour of Drahmin and Moloch. Much better in my opinion.
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01/09/2006 12:30 AM (UTC)
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But Drahmin and Moloch are in MKDA...Moloch sucks imo. tongue
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01/09/2006 03:03 AM (UTC)
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Ah, I didn't realise Takeda and the Lin Kuei stuff was fact. Eh... the only thing I know for sure is, I may have to start strangling people who say canon.

I'll find a new word of the month for everyone. grin
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04/13/2014 03:51 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Ah, I didn't realise Takeda and the Lin Kuei stuff was fact. Eh... the only thing I know for sure is, I may have to start strangling people who say canon.

I'll find a new word of the month for everyone. grin


A white ninja is missing in MK. And a fact in real life is that ninjas wore white for winter missions so they could easily blend in with the snow covered area.
Who thinks Midway should make a new ninja?
Another White Ninja Thread
No MK4 so maybe White Ninja
Khrome White Ninja?
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UltraKintaro
04/13/2014 09:09 PM (UTC)
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There was absolutely no need no revive a thread from 8 years ago, especially to repeat same shit you've been spewing in every other thread you visit.
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hankypanky1
04/14/2014 08:32 AM (UTC)
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UltraKintaro Wrote:
There was absolutely no need no revive a thread from 8 years ago, especially to repeat same shit you've been spewing in every other thread you visit.


It's called linking, finding holes and filling them up. Everything is connected one way or another. There is a gap in the market for a white ninja. And clearly Takeda has a worthwhile story to put him in next game.
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04/15/2014 03:20 AM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
UltraKintaro Wrote:
There was absolutely no need no revive a thread from 8 years ago, especially to repeat same shit you've been spewing in every other thread you visit.


It's called linking, finding holes and filling them up. Everything is connected one way or another. There is a gap in the market for a white ninja. And clearly Takeda has a worthwhile story to put him in next game.


Yes but it might have been better to keep the Khrome ideas in his own thread.

Takeda is an interesting character in some way. My only problem with this character is that he is dead due to Quan Chi's magic. He can't come back to life for revenge because that is Scorpion's schtick.

Also where is this gap in the market for a white ninja?
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04/15/2014 03:31 AM (UTC)
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Chimera Wrote:
My only problem with this character is that he is dead due to Quan Chi's magic.


Actually, that's a bit of an old misunderstanding.

In the scene from Mythologies, the bones that Quan Chi gives to the Lin Kuei to prove that he killed the Shirai Ryu belonged to the CURRENT Grandmaster.

Takeda, on the other hand, was the FIRST Grandmaster. He was assassinated by poisoned tea hundreds of years ago.

I mean, the dude invented Ninjutsu. During the Feudal Era of Japan. I know living a long time is common in MK, but not for people from Earth...
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04/15/2014 04:01 AM (UTC)
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While I think it's cool that MK references it's own obscure past from time to time with Tremor, Ermac becoming a legit character and Rain basically going from Prince reference to full-fledged character, I think that there's this strange desire from a decent number of MK fans to promote this obscure character or that obscure character and on many, I really don't see why.

Kia, Jataaka, Hydro, Bellok, Master Boyd, long dreads from MK movie, Original Kung Lao, Siro, Taja, Vorpax, a shadow priest, the green clothed chick in MK9 Shao Khan's win pose, the woman in purple... the list goes on and on. People lobby for these (and I've wanted to see some of them in the past as well), but after giving it some thought, I'd really rather they concentrate on modernizing old MK characters, reimagining newer post-MK3 characters that they want to bring back and creating new characters that are actually good enough to allow long time fans to let go of some or even many classic characters that could maybe use a game or two off.

Just my opinion. I'm not against obscure characters by any means, but I've seen enough passion filled "give us (random obscure character)" threads to think that the love for some might be a bit over the top.
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04/15/2014 11:57 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

Bellok seemed kinda boring.
Drahmin and Moloch were visually a lot more interesting.

Maybe with some work, he might be worth it.


You derived that conclusion from a couple of screen shots, did you?
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Chimera
04/17/2014 06:02 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Chimera Wrote:
My only problem with this character is that he is dead due to Quan Chi's magic.


Actually, that's a bit of an old misunderstanding.

In the scene from Mythologies, the bones that Quan Chi gives to the Lin Kuei to prove that he killed the Shirai Ryu belonged to the CURRENT Grandmaster.

Takeda, on the other hand, was the FIRST Grandmaster. He was assassinated by poisoned tea hundreds of years ago.

I mean, the dude invented Ninjutsu. During the Feudal Era of Japan. I know living a long time is common in MK, but not for people from Earth...


Oh right. Sorry I one time saw a picture of the bones and it said Takeda underneath it. But that is still the thing: Takeda has been dead for long time. Why would he come back to life?
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Odemuitascastas
04/17/2014 06:06 PM (UTC)
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Or probably already returned. Whereas Kung Lao is the reencarnção your Ancestral is possible that Scorpion is the reincarnation of Takeda.
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hankypanky1
04/17/2014 07:49 PM (UTC)
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Chimera Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Chimera Wrote:
My only problem with this character is that he is dead due to Quan Chi's magic.


Actually, that's a bit of an old misunderstanding.

In the scene from Mythologies, the bones that Quan Chi gives to the Lin Kuei to prove that he killed the Shirai Ryu belonged to the CURRENT Grandmaster.

Takeda, on the other hand, was the FIRST Grandmaster. He was assassinated by poisoned tea hundreds of years ago.

I mean, the dude invented Ninjutsu. During the Feudal Era of Japan. I know living a long time is common in MK, but not for people from Earth...


Oh right. Sorry I one time saw a picture of the bones and it said Takeda underneath it. But that is still the thing: Takeda has been dead for long time. Why would he come back to life?


The true champion of the Elder Gods. Yeah I know Monster is but maybe Takeda is Monster.
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