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03/27/2006 03:38 AM (UTC)
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It never says in the game that she likes Cage. Maybe Cage likes her, but I don't think she may like him like that. Sonya only likes Cage in the movies and we all know that the movies aren't canon. Unfortunately I think if Midway does decide for her to have a boyfriend, then they will probably make it Johhny Cagesad Maybe if they read this they will change their mind....I hope.
-EDIT- Oh ya the whole comic book thing. Darn I hate how the best female has a love interest with the dorkiest guy in the game. -EDIT-


Hehehe, well, maybe theres a beauty to it you know. Opposites attract, its great to see a severe tough woman fall for the sweet childish pretty boy. It’s a cute couple.

I love Kenshi, but, well, I just don’t see them as a cute or interesting couple.

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You know queve, I supposed that some discussion on past characters may be allowed? Hmm, I'll decide later. But queve, I had already posted Sonya's storyline so you didn't necessarily need to put that part in, oh well...


That would be cool.

Oh well, I thought I should give my complete opinion on Sonya, I thought I had to write her story as well, I wanted to contribute to the thread.

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aguba Wrote:
that's really, really long


Was worth it though! I loved reading it! Excellent work Queve! grin


Thanks Keith! grin Btw, have you been getting my pms buddy? I sent you at least 3, not sure if you got them. The system has been working fine for me though. ??

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queve Wrote:
Enough to fill four posts...
wow Holy merciful crap, that was so indepth... Good job queve! Although, like PNF had said, you didn't need to go into the storyline depth, since PNF did it... But either way, good job!
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You know queve, I supposed that some discussion on past characters may be allowed? Hmm, I'll decide later.

I think we should recap every time we finish a game; once we get through all the characters in MK1 (Ermac's not going to be brought in the MK1 discussion in case anybody's wondering), we leave the discussion for all the characters so that everybody can get a chance to talk about them before we move on to the newer players.
Anyway, I think I should give my own input now... I believe that after being a slave of Onaga's, Sonya may be a different person from what we're used to. Perhaps she may become a tougher individual, knowing that she's already stared death in the face and came back. Maybe she'll be influenced by the new Dark Raiden and take on a darker approach to handling her enemies, especially since she was not only killed, but her body was violated and used as a tool by the Dragon King; I know I'd be pissed off if I was somebody's zombie slave. I hope that in the next game, they depict her as a tougher character, someone who is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve her goal, which has been to hunt down Black Dragon thugs, specifically Kano. That's one rivalry that I want to see resolved, even if both of them end up being killed. Actually, that's a nice idea, both of them dying with each other's hands grasped around their throats.


LOL! Thanks man. Like I said, took me long, but I really wanted to contribute to this thread, I had to make a decent post.

Btw, I love what you wrote about her, sadly, I doubt we will see so much depth with all the characters in this game. Since its all about closure, I doubt they will expand to create more new problems when she needs to do a lot of things already.
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MasterPalak
03/27/2006 04:26 AM (UTC)
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Thank you for taking that much time for my enjoyment. Im not a sonya fan but it is rather interesting and i like the initiative you took to post all that, very very good i apriciate it. i still think she will die but i think we will not be dissapointed by her endingsmile
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Sub-Zero_7th
03/27/2006 03:56 PM (UTC)
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To be honest, I'm not really into Sonya all that much although I don't hate the character at least. Her story has been pretty average throughout the series, and I wished there was some character development. I would like to see that in MKA to give her something extra.

Gameplay-wise, she is NOT top-tier in all of the games she's been in. If I'm not mistaken, she's mid-tier in MK3, UMK3, and MKT, not top-tier. In MK1, MK4, and MKG, I'm not sure though from what I heard, Tanya is top-tier in MK4 while Kitana and Sektor are top-tier in MKG. In MKDA, Sonya is definitely a top-tier character, but the reasons (as a whole) that were given in this thread are not quite what really made her top-tier. What made her top-tier was because of:

2 in Tae Kwon Do
B + 4 in Tae Kwon Do
B + 4, CS from Tae Kwon Do to Kali Sticks
4, 4 in Tae Kwon Do
Reversal in Tae Kwon Do
D + 3 in Kali Sticks
B + 3 in Kali Sticks

That's mainly it.

Anyway, I doubt she'll be killed off, but I don't think we'll be seeing her in the future MK games (aside from spin-offs that is) unless she's given some kind of very important role or something. Regarding her and Johnny Cage, I honestly don't know as there really wasn't any real development or anything. If it were to be done, it would have to be done nicely, especially for Johnny Cage's sake as his overall story is garbage.

I kind of wished that things were fleshed out more with the overall story as Sonya will not only have to deal with the Black Dragon but possibly the Red Dragon and maybe even the Tekunin. Then there's just helping out the heroes against the main forces of evil.

Overall, there are certain things that stand out about her, but I just wished her storyline were more interesting.


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03/27/2006 04:44 PM (UTC)
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I think Sonya need's to finaly finish Kano off, or Kano finish her, either way that conflict has to be resolved. Other than that i dont think her character has had anything major for her to finish off. As for her apparently needing to marry someone or live happily ever after with one of the male characters i dont really see that happening, Sonya was always an independant character and i think that the wrighters are gonna keep her as a strong character, if she survives or not. I can almost see her being the head of the Outworld Investagation Agency in the future if she makes it through MKA.
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03/27/2006 09:23 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
To be honest, I'm not really into Sonya all that much although I don't hate the character at least. Her story has been pretty average throughout the series, and I wished there was some character development. I would like to see that in MKA to give her something extra.

Gameplay-wise, she is NOT top-tier in all of the games she's been in. If I'm not mistaken, she's mid-tier in MK3, UMK3, and MKT, not top-tier. In MK1, MK4, and MKG, I'm not sure though from what I heard, Tanya is top-tier in MK4 while Kitana and Sektor are top-tier in MKG. In MKDA, Sonya is definitely a top-tier character, but the reasons (as a whole) that were given in this thread are not quite what really made her top-tier.


I said Sonya is a top tier character, doesn’t mean she is in every single game but I do imply the fact that she has been powerful in all her appearances.

In Mk1 for example, she is #1. There’s no question that she is the best player in that game. Her sweep and leg grab make her unstoppable, plus she can mix up when pressuring between LP jabs, sweep, and leg grab if Im not mistaking.

In the Mk3 series games (Mk3 being her best ranked at #8), she is the second best female next to Sindel ranked at #11-12 (MkU/T). Not top tier like I said in my first post but surely among the best for a game with many characters.

In the Mk4/G series Sektor (I know for sure he is the God in this game), Tanya, Jarek, Kitana (4 fan throws no escape -48%!!!!! her broken fans make her the best after Sektor and Jarek), Rayden, Sonya and Fujin stand out as the top characters. I think reptile is somewheer in the top 5 too. I don’t know the exact order but they are top fighters. Sonya is really good in this games for the speed and long list of useful special moves. There was a cool thread about the mk4/g tiers somewhere around made by a classic mk games expert (high level player), his name is too long, I forgot (check the classic forum).

You know the story about MkDA. Top tier here.

Im guessing she might be mid tier this time around in MKA. Depends on how they make the air combat work and the styles they give her I suppose. TKD was kind of screwed with Nightwolf but Kalis were improved with Kobra.
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03/29/2006 07:20 PM (UTC)
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Interesting insights on her MK1 gameplay stuff.

As for MKDA, yeah.

For MKA, well...given that the "parries" are really identical to the reversals in MKDA, there's a chance she'll be top tier again.

I'm not so sure about any real improvement between the MKDA and MKD versions of the Kali Sticks as in both games, D + 3 is the move to kind of whore out and B + 3 is pretty good too.
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Legacy
03/29/2006 11:54 PM (UTC)
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Sonya...not my most favorite character. She's just one of those average, nothing special fighters every fighting game has. The Black Dragon story is so stale. I want something new from her! Perhaps the return of Frost will create a new rivalry, since (Frost) will most likely be evil (I hope). Since Kenshi is with Sub-Zero, there is a chance that she will end up with them, since she is looking for her team-mates. I final duel with Sub & Sonya vs. Noob & Frost? It could work...maybe. But Sonya and Sub-Zero isn't really a pair I see teaming up. A melee between her, Kano, and Mavado would be so awesome. That would be the ultimate fight to the end. But I really do hope she kills Kano. After six MKs she still has not succeeded in her task. Also I wonder if anything will come up between Sonya and Jarek. I hardly think they'll be so friendly to each other this time. A fued with Kira would be cool too. There's just something about them that says there would be fists and feet flying, not hair and nails. They are two of the toughest MK girls. Something was also mentioned that Kobra could be her brother. Some people like this some don't. For one, I think it would give life to BOTH their story lines. That kills two birds with one stone. In the end, Sonya shouldn't live though. Her character and storyline isn't worth bringing to the next gen. I just want it to happen with Sonya accomplishing something though, since she hasn't had the best of luck.
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03/30/2006 02:16 AM (UTC)
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Nothing could save Kobras story But i agree with every thing else you said almost...i dont see where the whole Sub thingwas going but good try. Personaly im impartial to who stays and who goes in this game. Im psyked for a whole new line up, but if Sonya lives i think this will be the perfect time to get her story revamped and finished for a fresh start. I think this should deff. be her time to kill kano it long enough how long will it last.furious
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03/30/2006 04:51 PM (UTC)
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I believe that liu kangs story so far has been solid. I do think that armageddon should be his last game. what if liu kang actually lost and realized that he couldn't win and reclaim peace in earthrealm. How bout liu kang dies and because that all of the bad things he did when he wasnt in control of his body got him sent to the netherearlm. where he would find most of the bad guys he had already killed. I believe that should be the way liu kang ends his story. For once how bout a good guy actually has to suffer in the end.
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03/30/2006 06:03 PM (UTC)
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Treviiality Wrote:
I believe that liu kangs story so far has been solid. I do think that armageddon should be his last game. what if liu kang actually lost and realized that he couldn't win and reclaim peace in earthrealm. How bout liu kang dies and because that all of the bad things he did when he wasnt in control of his body got him sent to the netherearlm. where he would find most of the bad guys he had already killed. I believe that should be the way liu kang ends his story. For once how bout a good guy actually has to suffer in the end.


Way to be 3 pages behind wink

We're talking about Sonya now.

The only thing I can say about her is that I think she'll survive.
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03/30/2006 07:09 PM (UTC)
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Liu kang was always my favorite mainly because he was a shoalin monk, (I am a huge fan of old shaw brothers kung fu flicks) and the fact that he reminded me of BRUCE LEE, the greatest martial artist ever. In my opinion his storyline fits him perfectly. Every story needs the self sacrificing hero in it so why not him. Although I hated the fact that he got killed in Deadly alliance and then they brought him back as a zombie in deception but I guess that's the price u pay for being the hero.wink
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03/30/2006 09:33 PM (UTC)
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mercer187 Wrote:
Liu kang was always my favorite mainly because he was a shoalin monk, (I am a huge fan of old shaw brothers kung fu flicks) and the fact that he reminded me of BRUCE LEE, the greatest martial artist ever. In my opinion his storyline fits him perfectly. Every story needs the self sacrificing hero in it so why not him. Although I hated the fact that he got killed in Deadly alliance and then they brought him back as a zombie in deception but I guess that's the price u pay for being the hero.wink


We are not talking about Liu Kang, we are talking about Sonya!
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03/31/2006 04:39 AM (UTC)
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I think Sonya's gonna kill Kano and end up with Cage.
Well we should start Johnny Cage now, we're late. But queve do you want to write out his story, you wrote out Sonya's story why not? (Included his retconned bit about dying and coming back to life, but put a star next to it and say it was retconned)
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04/01/2006 07:52 AM (UTC)
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Okay.

Johnny Cage was an action movie star.He won many awards and the respect of many people.But that respect started wavering after a popular celebrity magazine started making rumors that his moves were fake and that he didnt do his own stunts.Frome somewhere,Cage heard of a mystical tournament called Mortal Kombat.

MK1:

Cage boarded a ship, where he met Sonya Blade, Liu Kang, and had a slight "argument" with Kano.In the tournament, he fought many kombatants, and eventually faced an angry and defeated Goro, along with the help of Sonya and Kano.
After Liu Kang defeated Shang Tsung, the island started to crumble and Cage was saved by Raiden. after that, he was dropped in the middle of the ocean, where he was found by Jax and other U.S. Special Forces Agents.
Later he heard of a tournament in Outworld, hosted by Shao Kahn himself.

I'll post MKII next time.
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04/02/2006 06:13 AM (UTC)
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Can I finish it? Please? I wanna finish it!
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I'll write it, considering the guy above me is getting the game storyline mixed up with the movie's MK1 storyline (there was no magazine calling him a fake)... By the way, I'm not even going to bother with the MK:SM storyline in this.
Johnny Cage is a successful movie star who joined the tournament; his biography and the MK1 comic do not ever state why he joined, so it's possible he was invited to fight in the tournament and nothing more. He is a flashy fighter, knowing styles that are commonly used and enjoyed on the big screen. While on the boat headed towards Shang Tsung's Island in the Lost Sea, Johnny Cage met with Kano, who attacked him, and Liu Kang, who defended him when other people sided with Kano. Eventually, after Liu Kang defeated Goro, Johnny Cage, Kano, and Sonya joined forces to face off against the enraged Goro, who was ordered to kill them all with several hundred warriors, but with the island crumbling at their feet, the battle was very short; they fought on The Pit bridge. Cage never defeated Goro, and that was only in the movie.
Johnny Cage would've fell to his doom had Raiden not saved him and took him through a portal to the East China Sea; however, Raiden and Cage were knocked out thanks to the various explosions from Shang's Island. Cage woke up, thanking God he saw a boat with an American flag, but was then captured by the US Special Forces, and interrogated by Major Jackson Briggs (Jax). Anyway, Jax releases Cage from custody, and Johnny goes on to make a commercial called "Cage's Cologne"
While Cage is filming, Shao Kahn sends his best soldiers and assassins to make Cage's life unhappy; Kintaro, Mileena, Kitana, Baraka, Reptile, and the youthful Shang Tsung greet him on the scene. Thankfully, Jax and Lt. Beran show up to help him out, as well as Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Sub-Zero and surprisingly, Scorpion. Beran is the only casualty, as Mileena turns him into lunch. Anyway, Raiden stops the fighting, saying that Shang's not allowed to be there and Shang Tsung challenges everyone to a new tournament in Outworld; we can all guess what happened with that.
After Liu Kang hands Shao Kahn his rear-end, Shao Kahn enacts a plan to bring his former wife, Sindel, back to life, but since she is reborn on Earthrealm, Shao Kahn has to be allowed to get her back, allowing him to finally enter Earthrealm himself and unbalance the furies. As he attempts to steal all the souls on the planet, he realises that there are Chosen Warriors who are immune to his magic and who will fight him; Kahn's prepared for this and sends his militia, led by Motaro, to hunt down any survivors and kill them; **Johnny Cage was one of these warriors who lost his life to this Extermination Squad. However, the movie star’s luck never seems to run out, as his path to The Heavens is blocked because of Outworld merging with Earthrealm; he retains his role as a Chosen Warrior and aids his home world in the war. After Shao Kahn is defeated, Johnny Cage’s soul finally ascends to the Heavens; but then Shinnok shows up and start causing trouble for Edenia and the Heavens, forcing Cage to ask Raiden to bring him back to life, which he does.**
Once Shinnok’s gone, Cage is back on Earth, making movies, but his career is interrupted once again because of Shang Tsung and Quan Chi, as they both killed his long time friend, Liu Kang. Johnny Cage joins Frost, Sonya, Jax, Raiden, Sub-Zero, and Kung Lao on their quest to return to Outworld and defeat the Deadly Alliance for this atrocity, and save the realms from their vile sorcery. But it looks like Cage’s luck runs out, as he is killed in the battle against the Deadly Alliance’s warriors, along with Kung Lao, Sonya, Jax, and Kitana.
Once Raiden is defeated by the Deadly Alliance, and Quan Chi defeats Shang Tsung, the Dragon King, Onaga, returns from beyond to obtain Quan Chi’s amulet. Onaga, being more powerful than the severely weakened trio after their intense battle, takes the amulet from Quan Chi after Raiden self-destructs and destroys everyone within range of the blast (except for Onaga, who flips off Raiden’s corpse and tap dances on his body*). Because Onaga can resurrect people, he brings back the Earthrealm warriors and Kitana, and uses them as his own personal body guards. What happened to them afterwards isn’t known, but it’s believed that Johnny Cage is freed from Onaga’s control thanks to Ermac and Liu Kang, but this ending has yet to be proven, and won’t be until MKA is released.
**The part about Johnny Cage being killed in a battle against the Extermination Squads and being revived by Raiden to fight against Shinnok was retconned with “bad script writing”, so in actuality, Cage has only died once. In the official MK4 comic, Johnny Cage is actually on Earth studying Sonya for a movie about two secret agenst falling in love (she turned him down, of course); when they encounter Liu Kang, Kai, and Raiden, who had just finished fighting off some of Shinnok's demons, he goes along with them to fight in Edenia.
*Onaga did not do this, and this was only written in for humorous purposes.

Anyway, my input on JC is that he needs to be removed from the storyline. He may now be considered the “comic relief”, but I just hate the fact that he has so few real ties with the story; most of his most interesting aspects either came from the movies (the whole Sonya-love garbage), and his death in MK3. They could’ve used that and developed on his retconned death, but chose to ignore it and make him a boring movie star out to make a big hit. Heck, the only hope I have for him is if Mokap some how does something to make Cage decide to change his life, but I doubt that’ll happen. I’m sorry, but I really don’t care for Cage, and unless his story’s changed, I don’t want him to come back.
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MasterPalak
04/02/2006 07:46 PM (UTC)
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i think Cage Had his best moments already and now hes bring down the glory he once had. I think his train will stop at armageddon and i wont miss him too much. I am a ware hes a popular charactor but i think its time Cage is retierd and with any luck he will take mokap with him.
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04/02/2006 07:58 PM (UTC)
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Hey thanks Jerrod, if I would have wrote it all, I would have probably screwed it up all the way through.
Johnny Cage has the single worst storyline of any MK Character. Though I don't hate him, it's time he retired. I don't think he'll die though, he'll probably go back to making movies and/or marry Sonya.
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04/02/2006 08:43 PM (UTC)
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Cage is among my favorite characters. No matter what massive evil the heroes have to face, Johnny Cage is always lookin cool and ready to fight.

Even though I like Cage, his story downright sucks. They tried to make it interesting with his MK3 ending but that just made it worse. To me Johnny Cage has never had an important story bit I liked him that way.

Anyway, its time for him to retire. After Armageddons story he'll make a movie out of it which becomes and instant classic blah blah blah...then he goes home with Sonya saying goodbye to Mortal Kombat.
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04/03/2006 05:02 PM (UTC)
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As a character, I think he's ok, but kind of cliche in that he's the silly, egotistical guy on the outside but is reliable and stuff when he needs to be.

Storywise, he undoubtedly has one of the worst storylines, maybe even THE worst if you exclude Mokap. It's far too late for him and I see little to no potential for him. MKA should be his last game. He should probably just stick to making movies or maybe there'll be something going on between him and Sonya. I don't know.

I know he's supposed to be a comic relief character and all, but at least Bo' Rai Cho has something going for him in terms of backstory and all that.
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04/04/2006 12:41 AM (UTC)
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Cage needs to be wiped out. Period. His story has been the same throughout seven games. Not one bit of enhancement, not one bit at all. Something could've been added. Anything. His movies suck. He sucks. At least give him a bit of glory in this game. Though I can't honestly think of what that can be. He has no fueds that can be traced to anybody, so that's out of the question. And I think it is too late to start one. I really don't have an answer for him, but he definitely doesn't need to return in MK8.
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04/04/2006 01:17 AM (UTC)
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Scorpion is the best!!!!!!!!!.
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