Well, I do hope that Sonya and Frost cross paths in the upcoming game. It would be interesting how their rivalry would escalate. Plus, I really enjoyed this rivalry b/c it gives both characters a bit more of a story to add to the storylines they already have. But it all depends:

Sonya has a lot of enemies for the time she has been on MK. I mean first she had to deal with Kano, then Jarek, then The Red Dragon and now a Newly Formed Black Dragon. I mean she has about 8 rivalies going on right now. Not that she can't handle it b/c she's Sonya, she can handle all of them with her eyes closed.

Frost has two added to the one she has with Sonya. First and most importantly with Sub-Zero. You know her former sensei is very angry with her trying to steal his medallion. And now to add Sareena to the mix could make things interesting for Frost herself.

The Sonya/Frost rivalry could probably be given a lot more depth b/c of the previous rivalries that each woman already has. Since Sonya is an ally to Sub-Zero and since the Dragon Clans are on the same side as Frost, could make their rivalry even bigger than it is. Howver, it can make it smaller than it is mainly b/c of the older rivalries the 2 woman already have.

I think its is base on where the other rivalries lie in terms of the characters priorities. Sonya's Priority may be more towards her rivalry with the Black Dragon or the Red Dragon then her rivalry with Frost could be seen as a minor roadblock. Frost's Priorities may be with just Sub-Zero and trying to overthrow him to take control of the Lin Kuei. It all depends on how Sonya's and Frost's main priority is in their storyline.

At least Sonya had a clue from the get go, unlike Sub-zero! Who was always blind towards Frost's true intentions.

Anyway It's nice to see them duke it out, but I agree that Sonya's main concerns would be the Black & Red Dragon clans. Frost's on the other hand would be towards Sub-zero. The MK team probably thought it best Not to put her against him(SZ) in the intro, that's all. So they went for the next rival suitable for her.

Well... I always saw Frost and Sonya's rivalry as one played for comedy.

It would be nice.

I like this rivalry. Its very interesting.

I think that Frost should tie more into the whole Sub-Zero/Noob Saibot thing and perhaps rival against Sareena. I did like the whole Sonya/Frost rivalry thing, though I'm not sure how it could possibly be covered in this game.

You see, this is one of the problems that I had mentioned before, namely about the compacting of so much in this one game. I hope the stories for each character will be huge. I mean, for a game like this, they can't afford to make it very simplistic, otherwise, it's not going to look good.

Guys, where i can download that intro? I didn't find it :( I find only : http://www.kamidogu.com/games/mkda/story.php

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This was a nice additon to MKDA, but something tells me it may not be explored. Frosts bio shows her sole concern is with Sub-Zero. Unless they plan to have them clash unexpectedly along the way, then I don't think this will happen. However, it'd be anice obstacle for Frost to tackle, but Sonya has far more to be concerned about.

She's got her resurrection and death to deal with along with Onaga, the Red and Black Dragons and the finding of the missing Special Forces agents, Kenshi and Cyrax. Given MKD, if she finds Kenshi, she'll find Sub-Zero. So she might therefore be with him when Frost chooses to strike. However, we have yet to find out if she has escaped Onaga's control and what exactly she is doing now.

I agree. I think the Sonya/Frost rivalry will be among the stories that'll get lost in the crowd. Sonya will probably be too busy dealing with the Black/Red Dragon. Sub-Zero will probably be too busy dealing with Noob Saibot and the Netherealm.

The only way I can see this coming up is if Frost joins with Sektor instead of Noob Saibot, because the Tekunin is a common issue with both Sub-Zero and Sonya.
If that does end up being the case, I think it'd be interesting if there was something deeper to Sonya and Frost's animosity than just "Frost pisses Sonya off." Maybe Sonya feared Frost would get Sub-Zero killed....which raises potentially interesting questions about Sonya's relationship with Sub-Zero. Because we've gotten no prior indication that they have any real relationship aside from simply being allies. Why would Sonya be so protective of Sub-Zero?

However, personally I'd rather see Frost join with Noob Saibot and end up fighting with Sareena. 'Cause I'm a Sareena fanboy and I want her doing as much as humanly possible in this game.

Another work of art from Queve!!

Great post Wisdom! (how are you btw?)

I too like this small rivalry, and it would be great to see it developed. Like I said, the team needs to give both characters the depth they disserve in order to accomplish all this. Assuming Frost gets involved with Sareena, it can also help to open twists with the red/black dragon clans and even the Tekunin, for if Sareena plans to betray Sub-Zero as well, she can join those or go back to her old ways with the "Brothers of the shadow" clan, and with Noob lurking around, this can only expand all their stories.

I think Sonya can be more involved in Frosts story then the other way around, Sonya has to deal with way too many personal enemies, and this is not even counting her obligatory confrontation with the evil bosses along side the other heroes and her quest to save the friends she cares for so much.



Yeah, I like that little touch they gave Sonya in the game. Resembles the Sonya from the movies, always calculating, tough and she has a hard time trusting people, fallows her instincts more then anything else. She saw/sensed in Frost something Subby and the rest simply didn’t feel.

I actually thought it would had been more logical to have Subby against Frost or someone else instead of Scorpion, I know it’s a classic rivalry and all, but story wise that was over ages ago (unless something new has happened).



I 100% agree! I too have mentioned my concerns about this particular issue and I have just finished a thread I will post soon about this.



Sadly I too think it will be ignored, but theres always hope! The intro could had shown us the obvious fight, Sonya VS Kano, yet it had Frost there, and hopefully it was for a reason. Kenshi was facing Mavado and that one makes a lot of sense too, since it was him who almost killed him and left him to die.

Im thinking Sonya will be good, I hope so at least. She has way too many things to face/end, she cant be out of her mind when doing this.



Excellent points as always man.

I too want to see more depth in the Sareena-Noob Saibot relation when referring to Frost btw, it seems a lot more conflictive because of the personal stuff going on there. Though the Tekunin story is also very personal in Sub-Zeros life, it just doesn’t tie with Sareena that well unless she secretly joins Sektor, which would be awesome. Hopefully Sareena has a lot of depth in her story, I personally want to know more of her background then present in her first bio.

I too would like to see more on the Sonya-Subby relation, my guess is that the only reason she cares that much is because she has always been portrayed as someone loyal who cares for her friends more then anything, even more then her own life.

dude they are fictional characters

Yes, we are well aware of that.

Anyway, I think that Sonya was definitely the least trusting of Sub-Zero back in MK3, but eventually saw that he was a noble, trustworthy person deserving of being an ally. I don't think there's much else to it aside from that when it comes to Sonya sensing something bad about Frost. I think that in general, Sonya and Sub-Zero try to keep their distance from each other. I mean, I'm sure there's some mutual respect and trust, but other than that, I don't see much of anything going on. Then again, they are both more on the serious side.

If, by 'importance', you mean a place in the MK storyline, then yes. If, by 'importance', you mean a focal point in the grand MK arc, then probably no. Sonya is a semi-important character at best. And Frost is a demi-semi-quasi important character.

Very true and well said.

Its like the first “MK Defenders of the Realm” episode. It was very cool to see Sonya hating and being a bitch to Sub-Zero when he asked to join them. It adds some depth to both characters actually, it was funny how he almost lost his temper with her and she was ready to slap his frozen butt.

In the end she ate her words because Subby turned out to be loyal and not a traitor like she suspected, and explained about her “trusting” problems.

And like you said, both Subby and Sonya are on the more serious side, theres respect, but nothing more. Would be cool to see that developed a bit more.



Nah, I ment the first. Just to add some flavor and depth.

I was always confused about this rivalry. In Konquest, I just remember reading something about Sonya attacking her as she arrived at Shang's island. What sparked this attack I do not know and was very unexpected. Unless Sonya sensed a very great evil in her, I don't know why it even happened. Well, even though Sonya turned out to be right - this whole thing just felt kinda wrong. I don't really see them turning out to fight each other as both of them already have way too much on their hands. A possibility, as stated above, is that Sonya will discover Kenshi with Sub-Zero and at that exact time Noob, Frost, and Smoke are there fighting them. A possibility, though somewhat unlikely. I like this post though queve, very in depth. I applaud you for making a post that is actually good on this board!

Yeah, it true that Sonya has a hard time trusting people, but I thinnk with the stakes being so high this time...I think she can trust Sub-Zero enough to fight along beside him. But Sonya has always had that ability to seek out people who are good and bad. Like with Frost, she knew from jump that she was up to no damn good. That's a quality most people don't have yet need.

Back to the rivalry, if it was a rivalry that had some meaning to it, like Jade/Tanya or Kitana/Mileena, then maybe it would have some depth. Yet, in some way, this thing btw Sonya and Frost could be seen as a minor fight. I mean Frost hasn't done anything to Sonya to ensue a rivalry with her in general. I mean what exactly did Frost do to start the rivalry in the first place other than show her true colors??? The same question applies to Sonya, the only reason she doesn't like Frost is b/c she didn't trust her and knew she was BS, that's all. That itself doesn't add up to a rivalry. If Frost does something like get together with the Black Dragon or even with the Red Dragon and has done something really crappy to Sonya, then Sonya would have a reason to have a rivalry with her. Same with Frost, just b/c Sonya fights along side Sub-Zero doesn't mean she is incorporated with him. I mean they're not friends just allies fighting on the same side.

If this was intented to be a major rivalry then it would have lasted longer than just one game and not only that it would have a major backstory in order to develop this rivalry even more. There's just too little infomation other than Sonya not trusting Frost to add up to a good rivalry.

BTW Queve, I'm doing good (What about you?)

Sonya

"By late afternoon, a small boat, apparently formed of ice, floated to shore. It was the Lin Kuei ninja, Sub-Zero, and his warrior-in-training, Frost. Sonya was not excited to see Frost. Her first meeting with the new Lin Kuei recruit was not a pleasant one. Sonya had a score to settle."

So what happened? Perhaps the first time they met, Sonya had sensed something about Frost and, in true Sonya fashion, made smart comments and sarcastic jabs. In anger, Frost froze her. It said Sonya had a score to settle so obviously something happened and it was at Sonya's expense.

Sonya most likely sees Frost as an arragont little bitch who doesn't know what she's getting into. Sonya may think of Frost as inexperienced and cocky. So obviously she's not going to be too concerned with Frost.

Sonya has alot of work to do in Armageddon. She has to deal with:

Kano, long time enemy that just won't die.

Jarek, one-time ally, long-time foe, resurfaced after his death at her hands.

Kabal, undid all the work she did. Revived the Black Dragon.

Kobra, new member of the Black Dragon. Dead Man Walking

Kira, new member of the Black Dragon. Dead Girl Walking

Mavado, Red Dragon member, mystery to her but she's aware hes a foe.

Hsu Hao, Red Dragon member, destroyed her OWIA HQ.

Now there's a list of foes that need to be killed. She also has allies she needs to save:

Jax, long time friend and ally. Must make sure is converted back.

Cage, long time friend and ally. Must make sure is converted back.

Liu Kang, long time friend and ally. Unaware where alliegance lies now.

Kitana, long time friend and ally. Must make sure is converted back.

Kung Lao, long time friend and ally. Must make sure is converted back.

Ermac, possible new friend and ally. Possibly helped convert her.

Cyrax, friend and ally. Need to find him.

Kenshi, possible friend, ally. No real need for him anymore.

Raiden

There's also the the little matter of Raiden. Raiden is a real hard ass now. I doubt he'll be too thrilled that Sonya and her allies where slain by Tarkata. Possibly take out his own defeat by Shang and Quan on them. He is dangerous and could prove harmful to Sonya.

Sonya has to be converted to good. Defeat two crime organisations. Save Earthrealm and find her friends. She has a lot of work to do. A little icy bitch troll most likely won't concern her in any way. Unless...


The Brotherhood of Shadow

Noob Saibot, Enemy of his brother, Sub-Zero. Possible ally of Frost. And if you're including Noob Saibot then you may as well include Smoke. Things could become huge and everyone could end up involved like Ashrah and Sareena. An all out battle between the OWIA, Lin Kuei, Chosen Warriors and the Black Dragon, Red Dragon and Brotherhood of Shadow. Based on individual rivalries. I hope Armageddon can pull it off.

Frost

"The unsuspecting Sonya Blade is en route to meet with Sub-Zero. Practice all you have learned to make her bleed 50 pints of blood before she defeats you or time runs out."

Frost probably got pissed off with Sonya and embarressed her in some way. Which would explain her ass kicking on the Lost Island. Sonya suspected Frost from the moment she saw her and Frost was probably aware. She would hold little respect for the blond one. The hag is on to me. Miserable little toad. She doesn't think much of Sonya. She's definitley naive and arragont. She really had no desire to impress her sifu, Sub-Zero. She wanted that amulet and would do whatever it took.

Frost also has some things to attend to but she's not nearly as busy as Sonya.

Foes
Sub-Zero, her old sifu, who she now despises. He thought she was dead and so he buried her. Imagine waking up in a catacomb. Not nice, I definitley sympathise.
Sonya, not much development but could possibly become a nice animosity. If there gonna do it though they better be quick. Sonya's going on to next gen and its pretty safe to say she's leaving Frost behind.

Allies
None really.

But possibly:

The Brotherhood of Shadow

Noob Saibot would have turned the entire organisation against the Lin Keui so Frost's greatest possible ally lies here.


So, the Frost VS Sonya fued could work, but it would probably be difficult to do well in one game. I think they both have bigger fish to fry though. This is just my opinion, though, I'm sure many would disagree.

Great thread Queve!

Thanks for that.

Definitely not lol.

Sorry, I just think she's a pretty crappy character who isn't very interesting.

I'm not a big fan generally of the females in most fighting games, but characters like Mileena kick the shit outta characters like Sonya to me.

But the male ninjas pretty much kick the shit outta all of the females.

Go ahead and put a twisted quote on that because I know you will, but it doesn't change the truth in what I TRULY said.

Later

It was a joke. Lighten up!

Doesn't matter whether you don't like Sonya. This isn't a thread about liking her, it's about whether her rivalry with Frost should be given depth. You're post really didn't have much to do with the topic.

lol I'm not mad, hence the "lol".

Anyway I gotta head out to work.

Later...again