The Shinnok Thread (updated w/ MK9 spoilers on page 2)
The Shinnok Thread (updated w/ MK9 spoilers on page 2)
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Previous note: before creating this topic, I searched through the board's first 10 pages to see if there was a definitive topic for the fallen elder god, such as "The Sareena Thread" or "The Reiko Thread". Didn't find one, so I'm starting it.
My apologies in advance to the moderators if I have broken any of the board's rules by creating this topic.
On to our topic,
SHINNOK AS DLC FOR MK9 - YAY OR NAY?
Together with Sareena, Shinnok is my favorite character that is not playable in MK9 and in my opinion he is a character with lots of untapped potential.
To those who would like to see his return, how would you like him to be depicted? What moves should be added to his arsenal?
I'll take this moment to share with you a few silly ideas I've been writing down for Shinnok's return.
Taken considerable liberties and it's almost a whole different character in all but concept.
Feel free to criticize and share your own.
Appearance
Wears long, black and dark crimson robes that look distinctly impractical for battle with a black hood covering his head, leaving only his emaciated hands and face visible. His eyes have a sickly yellow color.
Alternate Costume
Wears regal-looking, elaborate black and purple robes with gold trim. The purple cloth's texture contains several rune-like symbols. Wears his trademark cap/crown.
Stance and Movement
Hovering just high enough to not be touching the ground and with his arms crossed. Shinnok's mannerisms reflect his disdain for battle (and overall smugness).
Fighting style
Shinnok has poor attack power, average movement speed and low defense (Boss Shinnok will be a completely different story, of course). Shinnok specializes in zoning, using all his special moves to keep opponents at bay. His Darkness Ally lets him create a opportunity for close quarters confrontation or nullify opponents who try to outzone him.
Special Moves
1. Tricky Portal: creates a portal behind him and his opponent's back then attacks the opponent using his elbow.
2. Judgement Smite: quickly dashes forward striking the opponent with a powerful palm strike to the chest. While dashing towards the opponent, a portal opens out of thin air and a large arm made of black miasma mimics Shinnok's palm strike, both hitting the opponent.
3. Black Orb: summons a ball made of black miasma that rotates behind Shinnok. Can summon up to 6. A different motion will shoot it towards the opponent. Can be shot at 3 different heights.
4. Retribution: lands on the ground and beckons the opponent to attack him. If Shinnok is attacked during this time he will disappear and huge hand made of black miasma will punch the opponent high into the air, setting up a juggle opportunity.
5. Dark Ally: Shinnok's shadow rises from the ground to stand at his side. Shinnok can take a hit without being interrupted (super armor mechanic).
6. Binding Abyss: Shinnok opens a small Netherrealm portal and the hands that raise out of it will hold the opponent in place. It can appear right under the opponent's feet, directly in front of Shinnok or in the air to catch jumping opponents.
X-Ray
Command throw. Shinnok psychokinetically flings the opponent away from him and into 2 large hands made from black miasma. The hands mimic Shinnok's motions - claps (hands squash opponent's torso in a clap), pounds fist against palm (one hand holds the opponent in place while the other violently punches the opponent's torso) and, finally clenches his fist (hand squeezes opponent's mid-section). The entire attack focuses on crushing all vital organs.
Fatalities
1. 4 portals open out of thin air from which several arms come and each grabs a limb and begins pulling. Shinnok snaps his fingers and the arms yank out all limbs, taking them to the Netherrealm, leaving the limbless body on the floor.
2. The camera focuses on Shinnok's and the opponent's eyes', quickly switching between them. Suddenly the opponent goes into wild convulsions, coughing up blood, the body contorting into impossible positions, tearing flesh and breaking bones in the process, until it explodes in a geyser of blood. Basically, Shinnok stares down the opponent until he/she explodes in a bloody mess.
3. Commands the opponent's own shadow to rise from the ground and destroy the body. It will do this by mimicking one of the opponent's own Fatalities.
4. Darkness hands raise from behind the opponent and pin him/her to the floor. As Shinnok begins to slowly walk towards the floored opponent, the camera changes to a first person view of the opponent. Shinnok's footsteps and the opponent's heartbeat become louder as Shinnok moves closer. When he finally stands over the opponent, Shinnok stomps through his/her chest, crushing the heart in a bloody pulp.
Entrance
A Netherrealm portal opens on the ground, oozing black matter and Shinnok slowly raises from it.
Winpose
Hovers slightly higher while chuckling quietly.
Final Round Winpose
Shinnok raises his hand and a throne made from black miasma materializes behind him. Shinnok sits on this throne while 4 Brotherhood of the Shadow cultists walk into the scene and kneel before him.
A few extra notes about a couple of aspects:
About Shinnok's re-imagined appearance
IMHO, in the context of MK, Shinnok stands as a sort of "god of darkness" figure, that said, I believe he deserves a visual revamp like Noob's. In past games, he and his surroundings have always been too colorful, which took some of the character's ominousness.
His frail physique hidden in huge robes is meant to create a striking contrast with the other great villain of MK - Shao Kahn. While Kahn is a burly, barbarian looking conqueror who takes everything with the force of his bare hands, Shinnok is a shadowy schemer that relies on his command of sorcery. Yet, both are unscrupulously evil.
About the "darkness hands"
Shinnok's trademark has always been the giant skeleton hands that pop in some of his moves and fatalities. IMO, changing it too arms made of dark matter is more accurate in evoking the notion that he is commanding several spirits at once.
It's a game in a whole different genre, but check this video to get an idea of how it might look in motion - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT_4in8rXio
Phheeeewww....pardon for the long post.
My apologies in advance to the moderators if I have broken any of the board's rules by creating this topic.
On to our topic,
SHINNOK AS DLC FOR MK9 - YAY OR NAY?
Together with Sareena, Shinnok is my favorite character that is not playable in MK9 and in my opinion he is a character with lots of untapped potential.
To those who would like to see his return, how would you like him to be depicted? What moves should be added to his arsenal?
I'll take this moment to share with you a few silly ideas I've been writing down for Shinnok's return.
Taken considerable liberties and it's almost a whole different character in all but concept.
Feel free to criticize and share your own.
Appearance
Wears long, black and dark crimson robes that look distinctly impractical for battle with a black hood covering his head, leaving only his emaciated hands and face visible. His eyes have a sickly yellow color.
Alternate Costume
Wears regal-looking, elaborate black and purple robes with gold trim. The purple cloth's texture contains several rune-like symbols. Wears his trademark cap/crown.
Stance and Movement
Hovering just high enough to not be touching the ground and with his arms crossed. Shinnok's mannerisms reflect his disdain for battle (and overall smugness).
Fighting style
Shinnok has poor attack power, average movement speed and low defense (Boss Shinnok will be a completely different story, of course). Shinnok specializes in zoning, using all his special moves to keep opponents at bay. His Darkness Ally lets him create a opportunity for close quarters confrontation or nullify opponents who try to outzone him.
Special Moves
1. Tricky Portal: creates a portal behind him and his opponent's back then attacks the opponent using his elbow.
2. Judgement Smite: quickly dashes forward striking the opponent with a powerful palm strike to the chest. While dashing towards the opponent, a portal opens out of thin air and a large arm made of black miasma mimics Shinnok's palm strike, both hitting the opponent.
3. Black Orb: summons a ball made of black miasma that rotates behind Shinnok. Can summon up to 6. A different motion will shoot it towards the opponent. Can be shot at 3 different heights.
4. Retribution: lands on the ground and beckons the opponent to attack him. If Shinnok is attacked during this time he will disappear and huge hand made of black miasma will punch the opponent high into the air, setting up a juggle opportunity.
5. Dark Ally: Shinnok's shadow rises from the ground to stand at his side. Shinnok can take a hit without being interrupted (super armor mechanic).
6. Binding Abyss: Shinnok opens a small Netherrealm portal and the hands that raise out of it will hold the opponent in place. It can appear right under the opponent's feet, directly in front of Shinnok or in the air to catch jumping opponents.
X-Ray
Command throw. Shinnok psychokinetically flings the opponent away from him and into 2 large hands made from black miasma. The hands mimic Shinnok's motions - claps (hands squash opponent's torso in a clap), pounds fist against palm (one hand holds the opponent in place while the other violently punches the opponent's torso) and, finally clenches his fist (hand squeezes opponent's mid-section). The entire attack focuses on crushing all vital organs.
Fatalities
1. 4 portals open out of thin air from which several arms come and each grabs a limb and begins pulling. Shinnok snaps his fingers and the arms yank out all limbs, taking them to the Netherrealm, leaving the limbless body on the floor.
2. The camera focuses on Shinnok's and the opponent's eyes', quickly switching between them. Suddenly the opponent goes into wild convulsions, coughing up blood, the body contorting into impossible positions, tearing flesh and breaking bones in the process, until it explodes in a geyser of blood. Basically, Shinnok stares down the opponent until he/she explodes in a bloody mess.
3. Commands the opponent's own shadow to rise from the ground and destroy the body. It will do this by mimicking one of the opponent's own Fatalities.
4. Darkness hands raise from behind the opponent and pin him/her to the floor. As Shinnok begins to slowly walk towards the floored opponent, the camera changes to a first person view of the opponent. Shinnok's footsteps and the opponent's heartbeat become louder as Shinnok moves closer. When he finally stands over the opponent, Shinnok stomps through his/her chest, crushing the heart in a bloody pulp.
Entrance
A Netherrealm portal opens on the ground, oozing black matter and Shinnok slowly raises from it.
Winpose
Hovers slightly higher while chuckling quietly.
Final Round Winpose
Shinnok raises his hand and a throne made from black miasma materializes behind him. Shinnok sits on this throne while 4 Brotherhood of the Shadow cultists walk into the scene and kneel before him.
A few extra notes about a couple of aspects:
About Shinnok's re-imagined appearance
IMHO, in the context of MK, Shinnok stands as a sort of "god of darkness" figure, that said, I believe he deserves a visual revamp like Noob's. In past games, he and his surroundings have always been too colorful, which took some of the character's ominousness.
His frail physique hidden in huge robes is meant to create a striking contrast with the other great villain of MK - Shao Kahn. While Kahn is a burly, barbarian looking conqueror who takes everything with the force of his bare hands, Shinnok is a shadowy schemer that relies on his command of sorcery. Yet, both are unscrupulously evil.
About the "darkness hands"
Shinnok's trademark has always been the giant skeleton hands that pop in some of his moves and fatalities. IMO, changing it too arms made of dark matter is more accurate in evoking the notion that he is commanding several spirits at once.
It's a game in a whole different genre, but check this video to get an idea of how it might look in motion - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT_4in8rXio
Phheeeewww....pardon for the long post.
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To me Shinnok has alway felt like the big bad guy or big boss for MK even tho he made his first appearance in MK4 he had been mentioned in previous games but not by name like in Noobs bio in MK trilogy so story wise he easily fits in because he's the one pulling the strings so to speak with what we see in the first 3 games with shao khan and shang tsung and he's raidens rival so I think he should be in the game. Ed Boon did hint at him being DLC on twitter so I'm sure theres hope. I hope he can mimic other characters moves like he did in MK4 he couldnt do it in MKA 
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Fuck yes,I love Shinnok!
Not for DLC,absolutely not.
He deserves his own game. :3
Personally,I really liked both of his Armageddon outfits. You hit the nail on the head with the "impractical" thing,because that's what they should look like.
I dunno about the eyes,though. He had green eyes in MK4,which looked both unique and creepy,so it'd be nice to see some consistency. Although golden eyes would probably match his overall color scheme better,I agree on that.
A BILLION TIMES THIS.
He is obligated to float in the air Magneto-style.
The Magneto looks closer to what I'm thinking about,but it's still not quite right. I know exactly the pose he should be floating in,but I can't find anything that looks like it anywhere. So frustrating.
Another thing I was thinking of is making him so powerful that he doesn't even really need his hands to kick your ass. In fact,he could have two forms.
In the first form,he has one arm behind his back,just to tease you. When he blocks,he doesn't actually try to cover himself or anything,he just spreads his fingers,and the opponent's attack hits a force field,shown visually as a glowing rune circle floating in the air.
But in the second round,Shinnok doesn't fuck around not even a little bit anymore. Both of his hands are out of the sleeves of his robe,and they're glowing with power,kinda like here,except he doesn't keep them raised in the air,because he shouldn't ever look like he's exerting any actual effort to fight:
This might the point where the evil aura surrounding him actually becomes visible and tangible. He might even shape it into spears and such. He's not even moving a finger while you're getting slaughtered just by the evil presence surrounding him. Holy shit. That's when all of his normals can get Dark Miasma Hand extensions that mirror the motion,but cover a much wider area.
Hell,they might even toss in a secret final form - that hooj demon thing he turns into at the end of Mythologies.
Another idea I had was his Amulet staff:
He can control it telekinetically,so it slowly orbits him and occasionally takes stabs at you from half across the screen.
You vision of his gameplay style seems pretty complete,although I'd still be kind of tempted to give him a teleport of some kind so he could dash right in your face from the other side of the screen,and you'd never feel safe fighting him.
Throw in some lightning effects,so they actually look like the stereotypical black holes.
If they stick with the super bar mechanic,this move should probably be an EX version of something. It seems like it could potentially be pretty hax.
Fucking OW. Just reading that made me wince.
These are fuckwin. NRS has been trying to play with the camera angles and such lately to make the fatalities seem more cinematic. Stuff like this should be the next step.
Another fatality idea I was entertaining was the Creature Summon. And unlike his special attacks,this one is complete. And I'm not even talking a giant skeleton or whatever.
I'm talking an unspeakable Lovecraftian horror.
You wouldn't even get to see it in it's entirety. You'd just see a portal opening up in the ground,then the camera switches to a low angle,so you'd see grotesque claws and tentacles and shit rising up from the portal,but the creature itself would remain unseen. Then the camera switches to a reaction shot of the victim,who are obviously completely horrified by what they're looking at. The creature's shadow falls on them,and the camera cuts off to Shinnok doing his win pose,as blood-curdling screams and sounds of crunching bones are heard off-screen.
Dark matter hands the way you're describing them seem to just be disembodied constructs made of miasma.
However,the absolute coolest part about the giant skeleton hands is the fact that they actually belong to something. It's like Shinnok is summoning a horrible demon from the very depths of the Netherrealm,but he either can't or doesn't want to maintain the portal for more than a second,so only the creature's arm goes through.
Look at how huge these things are. It always makes me shit bricks to think what the rest of the demon must look like.
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SHINNOK AS DLC FOR MK9 - YAY OR NAY?
SHINNOK AS DLC FOR MK9 - YAY OR NAY?
Not for DLC,absolutely not.
He deserves his own game. :3
Shadowlord Wrote:
Appearance
Wears long, black and dark crimson robes that look distinctly impractical for battle with a black hood covering his head, leaving only his emaciated hands and face visible. His eyes have a sickly yellow color.
Alternate Costume
Wears regal-looking, elaborate black and purple robes with gold trim. The purple cloth's texture contains several rune-like symbols. Wears his trademark cap/crown.
Appearance
Wears long, black and dark crimson robes that look distinctly impractical for battle with a black hood covering his head, leaving only his emaciated hands and face visible. His eyes have a sickly yellow color.
Alternate Costume
Wears regal-looking, elaborate black and purple robes with gold trim. The purple cloth's texture contains several rune-like symbols. Wears his trademark cap/crown.
Personally,I really liked both of his Armageddon outfits. You hit the nail on the head with the "impractical" thing,because that's what they should look like.
I dunno about the eyes,though. He had green eyes in MK4,which looked both unique and creepy,so it'd be nice to see some consistency. Although golden eyes would probably match his overall color scheme better,I agree on that.
Shadowlord Wrote:
Stance and Movement
Hovering just high enough to not be touching the ground and with his arms crossed. Shinnok's mannerisms reflect his disdain for battle (and overall smugness).
Stance and Movement
Hovering just high enough to not be touching the ground and with his arms crossed. Shinnok's mannerisms reflect his disdain for battle (and overall smugness).
A BILLION TIMES THIS.
He is obligated to float in the air Magneto-style.
The Magneto looks closer to what I'm thinking about,but it's still not quite right. I know exactly the pose he should be floating in,but I can't find anything that looks like it anywhere. So frustrating.
Another thing I was thinking of is making him so powerful that he doesn't even really need his hands to kick your ass. In fact,he could have two forms.
In the first form,he has one arm behind his back,just to tease you. When he blocks,he doesn't actually try to cover himself or anything,he just spreads his fingers,and the opponent's attack hits a force field,shown visually as a glowing rune circle floating in the air.
But in the second round,Shinnok doesn't fuck around not even a little bit anymore. Both of his hands are out of the sleeves of his robe,and they're glowing with power,kinda like here,except he doesn't keep them raised in the air,because he shouldn't ever look like he's exerting any actual effort to fight:
This might the point where the evil aura surrounding him actually becomes visible and tangible. He might even shape it into spears and such. He's not even moving a finger while you're getting slaughtered just by the evil presence surrounding him. Holy shit. That's when all of his normals can get Dark Miasma Hand extensions that mirror the motion,but cover a much wider area.
Hell,they might even toss in a secret final form - that hooj demon thing he turns into at the end of Mythologies.
Another idea I had was his Amulet staff:
He can control it telekinetically,so it slowly orbits him and occasionally takes stabs at you from half across the screen.
Shadowlord Wrote:
Shinnok has poor attack power, average movement speed and low defense (Boss Shinnok will be a completely different story, of course). Shinnok specializes in zoning, using all his special moves to keep opponents at bay. His Darkness Ally lets him create a opportunity for close quarters confrontation or nullify opponents who try to outzone him.
Shinnok has poor attack power, average movement speed and low defense (Boss Shinnok will be a completely different story, of course). Shinnok specializes in zoning, using all his special moves to keep opponents at bay. His Darkness Ally lets him create a opportunity for close quarters confrontation or nullify opponents who try to outzone him.
You vision of his gameplay style seems pretty complete,although I'd still be kind of tempted to give him a teleport of some kind so he could dash right in your face from the other side of the screen,and you'd never feel safe fighting him.
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3. Black Orb: summons a ball made of black miasma that rotates behind Shinnok. Can summon up to 6. A different motion will shoot it towards the opponent. Can be shot at 3 different heights.
3. Black Orb: summons a ball made of black miasma that rotates behind Shinnok. Can summon up to 6. A different motion will shoot it towards the opponent. Can be shot at 3 different heights.
Throw in some lightning effects,so they actually look like the stereotypical black holes.
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5. Dark Ally: Shinnok's shadow rises from the ground to stand at his side. Shinnok can take a hit without being interrupted (super armor mechanic).
5. Dark Ally: Shinnok's shadow rises from the ground to stand at his side. Shinnok can take a hit without being interrupted (super armor mechanic).
If they stick with the super bar mechanic,this move should probably be an EX version of something. It seems like it could potentially be pretty hax.
Shadowlord Wrote:
X-Ray
Command throw. Shinnok psychokinetically flings the opponent away from him and into 2 large hands made from black miasma. The hands mimic Shinnok's motions - claps (hands squash opponent's torso in a clap), pounds fist against palm (one hand holds the opponent in place while the other violently punches the opponent's torso) and, finally clenches his fist (hand squeezes opponent's mid-section). The entire attack focuses on crushing all vital organs.
X-Ray
Command throw. Shinnok psychokinetically flings the opponent away from him and into 2 large hands made from black miasma. The hands mimic Shinnok's motions - claps (hands squash opponent's torso in a clap), pounds fist against palm (one hand holds the opponent in place while the other violently punches the opponent's torso) and, finally clenches his fist (hand squeezes opponent's mid-section). The entire attack focuses on crushing all vital organs.
Fucking OW. Just reading that made me wince.
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2. The camera focuses on Shinnok's and the opponent's eyes', quickly switching between them. Suddenly the opponent goes into wild convulsions, coughing up blood, the body contorting into impossible positions, tearing flesh and breaking bones in the process, until it explodes in a geyser of blood. Basically, Shinnok stares down the opponent until he/she explodes in a bloody mess.
4. Darkness hands raise from behind the opponent and pin him/her to the floor. As Shinnok begins to slowly walk towards the floored opponent, the camera changes to a first person view of the opponent. Shinnok's footsteps and the opponent's heartbeat become louder as Shinnok moves closer. When he finally stands over the opponent, Shinnok stomps through his/her chest, crushing the heart in a bloody pulp.
2. The camera focuses on Shinnok's and the opponent's eyes', quickly switching between them. Suddenly the opponent goes into wild convulsions, coughing up blood, the body contorting into impossible positions, tearing flesh and breaking bones in the process, until it explodes in a geyser of blood. Basically, Shinnok stares down the opponent until he/she explodes in a bloody mess.
4. Darkness hands raise from behind the opponent and pin him/her to the floor. As Shinnok begins to slowly walk towards the floored opponent, the camera changes to a first person view of the opponent. Shinnok's footsteps and the opponent's heartbeat become louder as Shinnok moves closer. When he finally stands over the opponent, Shinnok stomps through his/her chest, crushing the heart in a bloody pulp.
These are fuckwin. NRS has been trying to play with the camera angles and such lately to make the fatalities seem more cinematic. Stuff like this should be the next step.
Another fatality idea I was entertaining was the Creature Summon. And unlike his special attacks,this one is complete. And I'm not even talking a giant skeleton or whatever.
I'm talking an unspeakable Lovecraftian horror.
You wouldn't even get to see it in it's entirety. You'd just see a portal opening up in the ground,then the camera switches to a low angle,so you'd see grotesque claws and tentacles and shit rising up from the portal,but the creature itself would remain unseen. Then the camera switches to a reaction shot of the victim,who are obviously completely horrified by what they're looking at. The creature's shadow falls on them,and the camera cuts off to Shinnok doing his win pose,as blood-curdling screams and sounds of crunching bones are heard off-screen.
Shadowlord Wrote:
About the "darkness hands"
Shinnok's trademark has always been the giant skeleton hands that pop in some of his moves and fatalities. IMO, changing it too arms made of dark matter is more accurate in evoking the notion that he is commanding several spirits at once.
About the "darkness hands"
Shinnok's trademark has always been the giant skeleton hands that pop in some of his moves and fatalities. IMO, changing it too arms made of dark matter is more accurate in evoking the notion that he is commanding several spirits at once.
Dark matter hands the way you're describing them seem to just be disembodied constructs made of miasma.
However,the absolute coolest part about the giant skeleton hands is the fact that they actually belong to something. It's like Shinnok is summoning a horrible demon from the very depths of the Netherrealm,but he either can't or doesn't want to maintain the portal for more than a second,so only the creature's arm goes through.
Look at how huge these things are. It always makes me shit bricks to think what the rest of the demon must look like.
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