Well obviously MK sells more. It's on more systems. But on PS2, Tekken has always sold more on that system than MK. MK needs multi-console to reach that. If Tekken was multi-platform, forget about it.

Plus the Tekken series is in the 20+ million sold club and did it with only 5 games on two platforms (PS1 and PS2). MK is in the 20+ million sold club with a longer lifespan than Tekken and more games on pretty much every system there is. Anyway you look at it, Tekken's ratio of sales destroys MK.

BEST COMPARISON TO MK. EVER.

The sales thing got me interested. Leave it to my detective work to figure it out. Before MKDA came out, the MK series was at 20 million. MKDA sold 3 million TOPS. MKD, I'll give it 4 million. So the MK series is at 27 million worldwideand I'm being generous. Before Tekken 5 even came out, The Tekken series was at 20+ million sold worldwide. Now let's take a look at how many games it's taken to accomplish those sales for both series.

Tekken:

GBA
Tekken Advance
PS
Tekken
Tekken 2
Tekken 3
PS2
Tekken 4
Tekken Tag Tournament

I'm not counting Tekken 5 because it just came out. Now...

Mortal Kombat:

32X
Mortal Kombat II
AMI
Mortal Kombat II
DC
Mortal Kombat Gold
GB
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat 3
Mortal Kombat I & II
Mortal Kombat II
GBA
Mortal Kombat Advance
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
Mortal Kombat: Tournament Edition
GBC
Mortal Kombat 4
GC
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
GCOM
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
GEN
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat 3
Mortal Kombat II
Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
GG
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat II
MOBILE
Mortal Kombat
N64
Mortal Kombat 4
Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
PC
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat 3
Mortal Kombat 4
Mortal Kombat II
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
PS
Mortal Kombat 3
Mortal Kombat 4
Mortal Kombat II
Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero
Mortal Kombat Special Forces
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
PS2
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
Mortal Kombat: Deception
SAT
Mortal Kombat II
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
SCD
Mortal Kombat
SMS
Mortal Kombat
Mortal Kombat 3
Mortal Kombat II
XBOX
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance
Mortal Kombat: Deception


LOL! And if you want, you can add MATII in there aswell.

I also didn't include MKD for GC since it just came out.

OK I found some info.

This is only for the month of February, usa sales only and the game is only on the ps2.

Tekken 5’s total sales 70,071

I got the info here

My user name there is Sketcher.

(Edit, link wasn't working)

now in that thread people are saying

PS2 TEKKEN 5
65,455
$3,260,718

It broke a million a while back.

I got some number for MKD sales to date

MKD has yet to break the 200,000 mark for PS2 and X Box and GCN sales are lower than that.

MKD has yet to reach the million mark.

This is the only way you can change MK

Hit em where it hurts, THE POCKETBOOK

I would imagine that MKD sales will not reach the same sales as MKDA.

wow. I feel alot better about myself right now.

Guess I was right after all

Really? I know MK doesn't sell as well as Tekken but 200,000 copies sounds extremely low. This MKO news article says it broke the million seller mark.

From the article: Three titles surpassed the one million units shipped milestone (worldwide) during the fourth quarter: Mortal Kombat: Deception, NBA Ballers, and Midway Arcade Treasures.

This means either Midway is giving out different numbers to different sources or retail stores bought a shit load more copies than they actually sold to the public meaning there are huge surpluses of Deception floating around. Even if the latter is true, though, Midway still got the money from the sales to the retailers. So even if we are about to see bargain bins full of MK:Ds, Midway still technically sold all those copies.

U sayin MKD is better game then Tekken cuz of online play?????????? what about fuckin GC verious no online shit at all so if you compare tekken 5 n mkd gc tekken kicks its ass mkd gc would b the most boring game ever

Key words there are "units shipped". That means shipped to retailers. Not actually "sold" to consumers.
As for the Tekken 5 numbers, correct me if I'm wrong, but the NPD counts game sales TO the 25th of each month. Tekken 5 came out ON the 25th so those numbers are either Tekken's 1st day sales or 0 day sales. Those numbers might only be the pre-order numbers. Next month's numbers will be the real test. But judging by every other Tekken, including T4, it'll still sell in the multi-million range.

If you didn't have a big enough ego, you would figured out that i was tired. Moron.

You seem to forget that fighting games like Tekken tend to draw competitve attention. Not that I know the whole fucking population will play it out of spite. With Tekken, competitve beats casual. Plain and simple.

That really doesn't make any sense though. I can go out and play basketball with some friends or I can become a player in the NBA (yeah, right ). Either way, it's still basketball and everyone who plays it does so because they enjoy the game. In order to make it to such high levels like the pros you need talent, yeah, but more importantly you also need to just love the game. If your heart isn't in it then you won't get anywhere no matter how naturally gifted you are. Video games work the same way. Remember, fighters aren't the only games played competitively. Counterstrike, Starcraft, Madden, and others all have tournaments. But it doesn't mean the people who play in those tournaments don't have fun playing. Becoming a "tournament game" isn't the main focus. Nobody at Namco said, "Hey, I wanna make a game that is tournament level!" Instead, he said, "I wanna make a good game!" Good games become tournament games. Not the other way around. You need to stop working backwards from the mindset, "It's a tourney game so it's not meant to be casual fun." It is casual fun but also balanced and functional enough to become competitive. Doesn't mean you have to go to tourneys to enjoy it.

It really does. It almost makes me give up all hope.
I think i'm going to start referring people to that article.

I liked the article and it made some good and valid points that I agree with; actually most of it. And it also had some points that were just bunk. I think you have to realize that the article was merely opinion and not fact, however as I said, there are alot of good points.

Don't mind me... just giving my opinion. cough-cough-communist-cough

1st. TOKombatant I assume you never lived under communism -neither did i but socialism was damn near it. Please be carefull about those subjects.

2. the article has some valid points. But also it has a lot of points what i consider a joke. The friggin pictures were however goddamn funny. I watched Startrek when I was a bit younger, lol.

3rd.

"Throwing together some circus act of a win isn’t nearly as satisfying as reading your opponent’s mind to such a degree that you can counter his ever move, even his every counter."

First of all, it's not circus. I do play with every means necessary when my friends and I challenge each other. however we do play also for the beauty of the game. To make good fighting scenes so that we can say:

"Oh wow, that was oddamn beautyfull" or "Damn, thats hard-hitting!"

This shows that games are here for both competitive reasons and both relaxational and even artistic reasons. The scrub terminology was good and described the majority of gamers. but applying it to the 99% of the world was just wrong! What he just told, that we make up laws so that we can live comfortably with them. WRONG! Laws must be made, since chaotic existence does not bring turmoil despite the current beliefs.
Laws are here becouse we need them, otherwise we would end up damning ourselves into an even more deadlier existence.

Not to mention, the line of condemning religious beliefs could be hooked out of the lines. i found that pretty much offending at the end. You get the picture. however i do know that wasn't the intention of the writer -at least I hope.

So i think the best player should be a competitive scrub, who balances the whole thing 50/50. Play to win any means possible (at least in a fighter game, in real life thats just wrong) but sometimes playing for sheer fun under some rules can also be a lot of entertainment (competition is still there, however under restrictions)

Lol, I'm a competitive-scrub.
BTW excuse me if half of that is not understandable, my english someti-mes sucs.

Where did he condemn religious beliefs? Nothing in that article even brinngs up the topic. Also, I will say that on occasion I have said during a match with friends that I'll beat them without blocking or without jumping, etc. if I'm better than they are or just for the hell of it. Sometimes we'd play matches without looking at the screen. But then, it's not the victory that's the focus of the fun. It's watching my friends scream and yell at each other that makes me laugh my ass off. Since winning is no longer the focus, it doesn't matter how you play. But when you're playing to win which is most of the time, to establish predetermined rules is plain stupid. Then you're playing to win but never do because you're turning the game into something that it isn't.

Let me give a perfect example. I've been playing Super Smash Bros. Melee since the day it came out and have faired quite well in tournaments. All my friends are now at least tournament level since we've put in an embarassing amount of time into the game. The problem is that because we're so used to each other's style of play we wanted to spice things up a bit. So we came up with two things we do sometimes. First, we pick each other's characters so we'll end up playing matches that normally would never happen between us making for some interesting fights. We still play to win in the match but since we're using characters we often don't, screwups are common. The other thing we started doing was betting on the computer. we'll each do random select and bet a buck on our computer controlled character. It's stupid, I know. But since winning isn't the focus anymore it doesn't matter what nutty rules are made. Like when someone plays Mario Kart and drives the wrong way just to shoot oncoming traffic with turtle shells. As long as you don't expect to win that way it can be fun.

Religious...come to think of it, that was the stupidest thing I ever wrote. I dunno how that feeling came over me, but considering the article about scrubs, I may know from where this came.

Sory, back to the topic. Competitive play..OK, but aren't you competing when setting up rules? That just governs a game differently, and possibly throws up the balance between characters for example. But if someone can have fun with it as a side-game, theres no problem playing like that I suppose.

It all depends on what you want to get out of the game. If you're going to set up additional rules then you need to first understand that it will not make you better at the game, it will not determine who is really the better player, and it will not be acceptable in a serious or semi-serious situation. So don't go into an arcade and expect someone to close their eyes while playing Street Fighter because you did that for kicks with your friends. Once the words "win" and "improve" actually mean something then you have to play the game on the game's own terms. If you're just screwing around it's ok so long as you know you're just screwing around and not playing "with skill" because you beat someone without throwing them.

My bad... i fully retract that... was a little hopped up some supersized Tylenol today. Sorry for that.

I'm the moron yet you're the one who said people don't play tekken for fun. 70,000 people bought tekken in 3 days to torture themselves I guess.





Wtf everytime I post that article everybody hates on it somebody else posts it and suddenly it's good.

Haha.
Don't worry, I know you posted it a couple of times before, and I read it and thought it was good then too.

That's the first time I've read that article and it really does tell the truth. There's no need to be anal about winning. If someone is so serious that he punches through the screen if he loses then he really needs to relax but if someone is serious enough to at least have the expectation of victory or at least wants to win then there is no reason to give the game any slack. Why should you, the person paying for the thing, make excuses and fake rules to make the game bearable? If you don't like to play the game the way it exists then guess what? It's probably a bad game.

I've posted that and other links in threads you've been in so many times and thats the first time you bothered to read it. More proof nobody pays attention to me well cept dan cuz he's given me props a few times.

The problem with that and the domination articles is the people who need to be helped by them go into them with an antagonistic attitude. Always go in with an open mind or you will not learn anything.

I've known about Sirlin for some time...

He just placed 3rd in SF II at T5 in Texas, so yeah he's old skool top tier.

I don't know if you guys know this, but the guy also has a large amount of hatred towards Mk and everything about MK.

He considers MK to be the ultimate scrub game.

Don't take it personally. I barely ever click on links in posts. Thats why I barely ever use them myself. Call me lazy. I won't bother to fight you on it.

I've met him on several occasions and I know he dislikes MK as to most of the top players on various other fighting games. IIRC he also has an intense dislike for the vs games as well. It is sort of hard to argue with that perception when you look at the last 3 installments of the series and ahem "discussions" several of us have had on this board regarding whether or not deception should even qualify as a fighting game with its "fighting engine".