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09/03/2006 02:48 PM (UTC)
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Well, if Ashrah still mistakes Ermac for being a demon, I don't see anything stopping him from killing her out of self-defense. ANYWAY, I don't mind Ashrah's look, just that her fatalities were extremely lame IMO and I wasn't a big fan of her story. She's got potential, just give her something new to work with.


Did she ever realize that Ermac wasn't a demon? Somebody should tell her.
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09/03/2006 04:31 PM (UTC)
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Legacy Wrote:
m0s3pH Wrote:
Well, if Ashrah still mistakes Ermac for being a demon, I don't see anything stopping him from killing her out of self-defense. ANYWAY, I don't mind Ashrah's look, just that her fatalities were extremely lame IMO and I wasn't a big fan of her story. She's got potential, just give her something new to work with.


Did she ever realize that Ermac wasn't a demon? Somebody should tell her.


Nobody exactly told her that Ermac wasn't a demon, unless you just go by Konquest (which I can't take seriously in the least). Either way, if Ashrah keeps her Kriss in game that basically makes her MKD ending non-canon, but let's get back to Ermac.

To matthewhaddad, I'm expecting everything from MKA, so nothing will surprise me if *insert character here* dies or lives. Hell, it wouldn't shock me if Mokap was the sole survivor (really... it wouldn't)
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09/03/2006 06:36 PM (UTC)
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Ermac is one of my favourite characters, he has incredible symbolism and meaning attached to his persona. The simple fact that he refers to himself as a collective unit is impressive, pretty original, not the first character to do it, but still it is impressive how this was implemented by the MK Team. He is in my opinion the only higher entity in the MK series, being more impressive than the Elder Gods themselves. He is the fussed souls of the last warrior, a collective will and strength.

He should and most probably survive the Armageddon, an event in which it is almost certain he will play an important part. He should maintain his neutrality and his spiritual configuration should be further exploited.

Well here are my options for him in the future:

#1 Clearly the most unlikely, he could sacrifice himself in the Armageddon in order to save a number of great warriors and so free all of the souls trapped within him. Nothing special or impressive here

#2 He confronts Blaze and after he defeats him, Ermac absorbs his soul and becomes an ultimate entity. His energies are confronted with the One Being itself, this connection results in Ermac agreeing to help undo the damage Shao Khan and the other evil forces have caused all the horrors that the all worlds have witnessed, he becomes a Guardian of the Universe and is placed above all warriors as a symbol of the staunch defense that the universe offers against those that might threaten its well being.

#3 He destroys Blaze and thus completes the great cycle that the One Being had plotted for the universe. Now a new universe was to awaken and Ermac was to govern the soul realm and guide a whole new armada of warriors to complete the preparations necessary for the evolution of the eternal cycle of life and death, chaos and order, destruction and creation.

#4 This is linked to my storyline idea, that I have kept on to talk about, but never got to actually write yet. Ermac defeats Blaze, but the chaotic energies that flow through out the realms threaten to destroy the notion of balance itself. Concentrating all the energies of the souls that composed him and also of the warriors that were surrounding him and had taken part in this apocalyptic battle he succeeded in channeling the energies into some sort of absolute balance with the help of the one being focused them into a powerful orb, the Orb of Balance, which was meant to protect the Universe from being unbalanced ever again, for this would threaten the existence of all that was once created from lifeless stones to the most powerful of Elder Gods. This would be a very interesting plotline to follow maybe I’ll be able to post the first chapter anytime soon.

All in all Ermac is almost certain to become an important part of the MK Mythology, especially because of his outstanding potential and symbolic value. I am eager to see how his story is going to evolve in the future MK Games.
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09/03/2006 06:57 PM (UTC)
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To m0s3pH: I don't think Ashrah will mistake Ermac for being a demon again. Ermac clearly said something along the lines of "We are no demon. Surely you could've sensed that we are not of your kind.". But even then, Ashrah didn't care since he was able to enter the Netherrealm in the first place and is working for Shao Kahn.

To Grizzle: I don't know if that'll be the case. If anything, all the good guys and bad guys and such are the threats that Blaze is suppose to eliminate. Also, it seems to me that Ermac was created long before MK1. I know MKD Konquest's timeline gets fucked up after the whole Nightwolf training thing and all, but the whole Ashrah/Ermac bit happened much before that.
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09/03/2006 07:54 PM (UTC)
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Well, Ermac is definitely one of my favorite "ninjas" now, he wasn't so popular back in the days of UMK3. People saw that it was another ploy to milk the ninja sprite for everything that is was worth. Fortnately, he definitely has evolved since that time and may even become a major player in this game and future games also. The downside to his return is that there are too telekinectic characters now. Although I don't mind both him and Kenshi, I think only one of the two will survive...

Ermac is an essential ally at this point in MK. He has allied with Earth's greatest warrior Lui Kang, and are a forced to be reckoned with, seeing as how they stopped and reverted Kung Lao, Johnny Cage, Sonya, Jax, and Kitana from their spell. He also seems to have a connection to Blaze, or maybe even the One Being. What does Blaze have to do with all this? I really hope that his past is explained in depth and how the Ermac connects to him. Ermac may even be one of the final warriors that face him atop the pyramid. I hope the mention more of this in MKA as it could make for some great plot twists.

Storywise, Ermac has always been that cool, mysterious fighter in the background (whether that be intentional or just bad plot writing on Vogel's part). I see he really has a purpose now. We know that he is made of souls, that apparently were released by Kenshi. Who put them together to form Ermac is a mystery, but most clues point to Kahn or Shang Tsung. This is interesting, as he is fighting against them at this point. Does he have the will to kill those who made him? Does he even want to exist? Maybe he wants his souls to be freed and ascend to the heavens. This could lead to him sacrificing himself, for saving the realms, and freeing his spirit. This could be an interesting ending for him, but there are other possibilities which I will discuss.

Obviously he has scuffled with Ashrah while his employment to Kahn. Whether you believe this true or not depends on your outlook of Konquest Mode. This might be one of the truer aspects of the messed up jumble that was KM. However, for them two to be fighting at this point would be useless and absurd. For one Ashrah is helping Sub-Zero, so it would be as if he is attacking a friend. Also, Ashrah should sense that he is not a demon of the Netherealm, and I don't know why she didn't notice before. This should be laid to rest.

I think an interesting ally for Ermac could be Nightwolf. Nightwolf is a Shaman and could have a connection to the worlds beyond. Since Ermac is comprised of souls, Nightwolf could spiritually work with him in some way, working closer to their goal of subsiding the One Being's return. Just a thought.

Other than those three, Ermac really doesn't have any other connections to characters this game and I can see him returning to MK8. As pointed out before, I think Ermac could make a great protector to Outworld. I think a little bit of down-time in that realm would be good. Let the evil rulers subside for a while (no Reiko being the new Emperor, please!), and have a time of peace until the next threat returns. Ermac would be great as being a new god to that realm, but I guess it depends on how the elders see it. But anything seems possible now.

Oh, and don't forget about the Rain posts, there are some good ideas in there that deserve DPs!
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09/03/2006 08:11 PM (UTC)
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ermac was the single best reivention character from MKD no one even comes close no one

when it comes to power ermac is definitely in the top 5 (maybe even tops i see him as the phoenix of MK) i can definitely see him defeating blaze not many characters could seriously be a contender against blaze but i think ermac could take him down alone

in fact logically ermac would be the best choice of all the characters to defeat blaze
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09/04/2006 04:54 AM (UTC)
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Oi, sorry about this, I did intend to update yesterday, but I'm barely an hour late on that technically... So, here it is, the next character, everyone's favourite Saurian, Khameleon!
Reptile was once thought to be the last member of an extinct race of reptilian creature, until the appearance of Khameleon. She chooses to fight on the side of Earth, and is one of the few people who knows in detail about the Raptors. She knows that they evolved millions of years ago on Earth into intelligent creatures but fled the realm when it was destroyed in a battle between the gods. They repopulated a new realm known as Zaterra only to be driven to extinction by Shao Kahn when they lost to Outworld in Mortal Kombat.
Her original goal was to try and turn Reptile against Shao Kahn while he was invading Earthrealm, but it seems she never reached him. There's a hinted possibility that she's associated with the Vampire people, considering Nitara's Konquest failure message when one cannot master the Kama (Khameleon would have mastered it with ease had her culture not been clubbed by Shao Kahn ages ago.), but since it's a Culture Club/Karma Chameleon joke, it might not ever be built up upon. sad Also, she could be the next Matriarch that Reptile needs to keep his sanity, assuming she is the last female of their species.
Now my thoughts... This is something that never came to my mind during the Reptile discussion, but I had declared how pissed I was that Reptile did know Khameleon, yet still blindly worked for Shao Kahn, but I never thought of the possibility that he knew Khameleon before their race was crushed. Considering nobody knows the true ages of either of these characters, and since Reptile has a tendency to go nuts and forget things, it could happen, right? With this in mind, maybe they can both survive Armageddon and create a new generation of Raptors to come, but I get the feeling that this is wishful thinking...
Well... as of now, I'm really pissed that Khameleon was excluded from MK:A, unlike say... her male counterpart, she has a story to resolve.

What I would like to have seen is that her presence allows Reptile to fight back against Onaga, who is forced to go back into his own body thus setting Reptile free and then when it's all over. Reptile and Khameleon go back to their own realm and finally live in peace.

But that won't happen now, way to go MK Team. Way to go.
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09/04/2006 05:03 AM (UTC)
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I'm very pissed off that Khameleon didn't make it into MKA while Chameleon and Meat did. I hope she'll somehow be included in the story and not be killed off or anything.

One of the big problems with the Reptile/Khameleon thing is that Khameleon is listed on Reptile's allies list on his MKD trading card bio yet his bio on there mentions about him never learning about his race, which is rather contradictory.

Way to go MK team...*sighs*
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09/04/2006 01:42 PM (UTC)
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OK, I didn't accepted her absence in MKA yet (probably never will), but at least I'm happy that she wasn't excluded from that thread as well.

Since MKT, I was expecting to see Khameleon's storyline being more developed and having a bigger interection with Reptile. Instead, she was completely vanished from the story and Reptile is becoming boring. But, let's suppose that Khameleon is in MKA.

In MKDA, Nitara seemed to know a lot about the saurians. She had even a saurian weapon to give to Reptile. I wonder where she got all those information.

My first theory is that Zaterra is the vampire realm. The saurians fled to there and both species had some kind of interections. From that view, Khameleon and Nitara could even have some background storyline.

In my second theory, when Nitara was in her quest to free her realm, she found Khameleon. From her, Nitara learned some things about the saurians and recieved a Kirehashi, which would be useful to manipulate Reptile in the future.

In MKA, I'd like to see Khameleon and maybe even Reptile trying to free Zaterra from Outworld (if it isn't Nitara's realm). I mean, if they want to restore their specie, they need a peaceful place to rise their descendants. They could even try to destroy Shao Kahn to make sure that he wouldn't be responsible to the almost extintion of the saurians again.

If Khameleon was in MKA, that part of Zaterra's story could finally be closed. Her presence could also be a plausible explanation for Reptile's MKSM look. But since she isn't, I hope that at the very least they are saving her for the next generation. It would be a lame move, but better than completaly ignore her existence.

Khameleon has potential. What a shame that it'll be wasted in favor of an unoriginal ninja and a bonus costume sad.
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09/04/2006 06:22 PM (UTC)
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Mark my words... Khameleon will be in MKA.

Anyway, the only stroyline I can possibly think of for Khameleon is she either helps Reptile save their race or she doesn't. Either way, it's too bad that all these rumors are flying around that she's been cut, ESPECIALLY after OXM said that she was in it.
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09/04/2006 09:09 PM (UTC)
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I have just one question before I start: Why all the hate against Khameleon? Let us fans bitch if we want to. It's the same if Scorpion (who sucks ass now, BTW) or another "fan-favorite" character did not make, everybody would throw a fit. Khameleon has fans, deal with it. If she was in the game, how bad would it affect you? It wouldn't. You would either: A. Have another character to play as or B. Don't bother unlocking her at all, plain and simple. I think that the whole "Khameleon is not in MKA" thing is just a ploy to throw us off. OXM confirmed her. Now why would a major magazine lie about something when the game is only a month and a half away from being released? Boon probably told Cinder that to screw with out minds! I still have faith she is in it...

Anyways, Khameleon is probably the favorite of my secret characters, just because she is really the only one who has stayed one (besides that fuckface Chameleon). Only hearing little bits about her since MKT, she has been high on the list for making a comeback. Everybody thought MKA would be her big return... guess not (or so they say - it's a conspiracy)!

I can't really say too much about her as we really have no knowledge of her past or present. We just know that she and Reptile are the last of the Zaterreans. I for one don't think this is a part of the Vampire's realm, because they wouldn't be referred to directly as Zaterreans, more like the creatures that inhabit Zaterra. Because wouldn't that make Nitara a Zaterrean too? I may be getting a bit technical, but anyways!

We do know that she is involved with Nitara somehow, as she has mentioned the elusive character before and has some knowledge of their species. At this point, we don't know if Nitara is friend or foe to them at this point, but it could go one of two ways. Nitara could be an ally and try to help Reptile relocate Khameleon and start their race anew. Then everyone is happy la-dee-dah! I would rather see Nitara work against them, however. Maybe the rekindling of the Zaterreans would be a threat to her people somehow, and she could be in cohorts with Chameleon. Chameleon could be a member of a race similar to Reptile's, but extreme enemies with them and wants them erased completely. Then we could have a good fight between them: Reptile & Khameleon vs. Nitara & Chameleon. A way to end her story with getting revenge on Nitara and Chameleon by killing them. Then maybe a war could start up with the Vampires and Zaterreans later in the future.

What I really want to know is, how exactly are her, Reptile, and Chameleon related? Was Chameleon ever confirmed to be a member of their race, or do we not know? Will we ever find out? Maybe some messed up love triangle could be formed... The Last Days of Our Lives (pun on Days of Our Lives - Armegeddon, the end, get it?)

Other than this, I can't see anything else for Khameleon. Maybe they'll come up with an interesting plot twist for her, but this is Ed Boon we're talking about, can't expect TOO much. It is just basically the Zaterreans come back, or they don't, plain and simple. But if she doesn't make it this game, I demand that she makes and appearence in MK8, or someone will get hurt.
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09/04/2006 09:49 PM (UTC)
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I'm still convinced shes still in...In Reptile's lair there are a bunch of large eggs...Are they Saurians? Maybe?
http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/perl/cds.cgi?external_action=displayImage&id;=1603


Chameleon bleeds green blood so Midway probaly made him Saurian too. Plus without her it doesn't really explain "Storywise" how Reptile is in his MKSM costume. The Real reason was Fan demand...tongue


Even if shes not in MKA i won't get too mad...unless she isn't in MK8.
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09/05/2006 10:08 AM (UTC)
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This is the character story end thread, and I am sad to say that Khameleon's story already ended in the days of MK Trilogy...sad
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09/05/2006 03:39 PM (UTC)
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didn't "Khameleons tend to hide" just about a couple months ago? I do have a strong belief that Khameleon will be one of the 2 super-secret characters that are extremely hard to unlock or can be purchased in The Vault.

There are 4 Locked pieces in the Charlect Screen. 4!!!

And if Zaterra IS the Vampire Realm, didn't it already get freed in both Nitara's AND Cyrax's endings??
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09/05/2006 06:37 PM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
Mark my words... Khameleon will be in MKA.

Anyway, the only stroyline I can possibly think of for Khameleon is she either helps Reptile save their race or she doesn't. Either way, it's too bad that all these rumors are flying around that she's been cut, ESPECIALLY after OXM said that she was in it.


I agree with most of the things that you said and I am also pretty sure that Khameleon will be in the game. It is pretty stupid for them to omit this fan favourite minor character. I think she'll be a secret character it just isn't an MK game without a secret character and I have my money that she'll be it. Her story together with Reptile's needs a massive boost and I really hope that something interesting happens in their near future. No options for her they are pretty obvious with or without reptile, speculations are currently irrelevant. And I hope people stop picking on Chameleon as well because he is an awesome experience, you never know whom you're going to be controlling next, but nor does the opponent.grin
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09/06/2006 01:48 AM (UTC)
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I find it funny how the day I find out she's not in MK:A, I was just telling a friend how I can't wait to see a render of her sad.

But I think there are a few possibilites:

First and least likely, Khameleon is completely forgotten by the MK Team.

Second, she IS a super secret character, Midway was screwing with us, we're all delightfully surprised.

Third, and my personal opinion, Reptile kicks the bucket in MK:A. Reptile is my favorite character, but I think it's time for him to go, since his story since MK3 has been utterly pathetic and gives his character no justice. In Reptile's ending though, I'd like to see him and Khameleon get together and make with the egg-making. So as the obligatory reptilian fighter in the next generation MK, Khameleon will become the next MK staple character like say Baraka for the Tarkatan race in the current gen.

Of course, I'd prefer option 2 more than anything.
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09/06/2006 02:58 AM (UTC)
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Dude, Idoubt with 37 days left Khameleon will be in it
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09/06/2006 05:18 AM (UTC)
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Can sometime kindly tell me the difference between Khameleon and Chameleon? I read Khameleon's bio up above, but who is the other one?
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09/06/2006 07:56 AM (UTC)
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PopeBlitzkriegXVI Wrote:
Can sometime kindly tell me the difference between Khameleon and Chameleon? I read Khameleon's bio up above, but who is the other one?


Chameleon is a male ninja character who would change colours and mimic any other male ninja character in the game. He was on most versions of Mortal Kombat Trilogy.

Khameleon is a female ninja character who would mimics female ninja characters. She was on the N64 version of Mortal Kombat Trilogy.

Chameleon had no storyline, with the exception of something like "he was one of Kahn's greatest warriors. Khameleon, however had a great storyline. She was a Saurian (the same race as Reptile). These Saurian people for the most part were wiped out by Shao Kahn, and she was searching for Reptile to hopefully restore their species.

It is a real shame that Chameleon (often known as fuckface) got in the game, but poor old Khameleon got the boot. She had a storyline and was considered a proper character up until the release of MKA. Why she is not in the game, I have no idea. I am hoping she is a Super Unlockable (think Mokap or Blaze from MKDA), but no one is certain.
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09/07/2006 01:46 AM (UTC)
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Tonerz Wrote:
didn't "Khameleons tend to hide" just about a couple months ago? I do have a strong belief that Khameleon will be one of the 2 super-secret characters that are extremely hard to unlock or can be purchased in The Vault.


You've been looking at an outdated select screen because:
1. The two question marks have been replaced with created fighter squares for player one (first memory card slot) and player two (second memory card slot).
2. Chameleon is now in the place of the original created fighter square.

Tonerz Wrote:
There are 4 Locked pieces in the Charlect Screen. 4!!!


The locked characters are Taven, Daegon, Meat and Blaze.

While I'm here, I ask you all to check out Shadaloo's proposal for "The Kreate-A-Khameleon Kontest".
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09/07/2006 04:24 PM (UTC)
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I suspect that either, like most people hope, Khameleon will be super-unlockable or else this option;

Khameleon might only be in the Nintendo Wii build of MK: Armageddon. She's been a Nintendo only character before, after all ...

It would be interesting if she is super unlockable, if Khameleon is given a classic hidden character storyline, where she's "elusive" and to unlock her you have to do something midgame to face her, much like how in MK you had to do a trick to face Reptile, in MKII the same was true with Smoke, Jade and Noob Saibot, and so forth ...

Hopefully her long and arduous tale of trying to track down Reptile but being constantly tricked or detoured by people trying to use Reptile for their own goals will be told, and the payoff will be lots of sweet Zaterran love for poor old Reptile.

I have no idea how Chameleon fits in with the Zaterrans (since he does have green blood), but if I had to guess I'd say his original background as Shao Kahn's greatest assassin is a correct one - he's probably completely loyal to Kahn, and a total traitor to his race. Hell, he probably helped Kahn exterminate the raptors. So there's where the payback lies.
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09/08/2006 12:29 AM (UTC)
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Well, time to do the forgotten chaacter of the Mortal Kombat Trilogy series, quite possibly the most hated ninja in the history of MK... Chameleon.
All we know about Chameleon is that he's one of Shao Kahn's deadliest warriors, and even then, that may not be canon. Every story about him is purely fan speculation, so the possibilities fo rhim are actually endless... But odds are he'll turn out to be a Raptor like Reptile. sleep
Considering how little story there is on him, Chameleon will only last less than one day, and I'll keep my word on that.
I don't think he'll survive Armageddon, based on the way he's being treated currently by the fans, I doubt we'll ever see him beyond MKA. Considering his previous abilities (I've not looked at any of the gameplay videos), it's possible that he may be a very powerful character in the end, but somehow, I bet he'll die by another powerful enemy, most probably a good guy.
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09/08/2006 12:37 AM (UTC)
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Chameleon...let's see...uh...what to say about his story...Oh right! He doesn't have much of one! His ending, which I did spoil myself with, is utter garbage and overall, he's a giant waste. He's definitely one of my most hated characters.
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I had to change this because taven and daegon are playable so its like really lame

09/08/2006 12:44 AM (UTC)
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ummm chameleon huh? well i remember playin as him in trilogy nd he was pretty hard 2 use but from wat ive seen so far i don't think much of crane style even though it is effective and ninja sword? a bit of a letdown either way i still want to play as him.

will he survice??? most likely not considering he has been in one or two games i seriously doubt he will survive maybe he will join up with some other villan like shinnok who knows???wow
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