Honestly....why do many of you say Sub-Zero has god-like powers?

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posted07/27/2004 07:59 PM (UTC)by

Hell_Spawned

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07/09/2004 09:33 PM (UTC)

Before I continue, I don't want this to turn into a flame war.

I want to have a civilized conversation about the topic.

Anyway, it has never been stated that the Dragon Medallion gave Sub-Zero god-like powers.

I don't know where you are all coming from with this.

It does enhance his powers greatly, but using the term "god-like" is just pushing it.

You can't just throw the words god-like around like it means nothing.

That pretty much says he is of Raiden's status, which CLEARLY isn't the case since Sub-Zero is a mortal with or without the medallion.

Look at Scorpion, his powers have come a LONG way since the begining.

And he literally poesses the powers and flames of hell.

But some poeple seem to think that Sub-Zero's medallion is so "god-like" that he can toss Scorpion around with ease.

And that sure as HELL isn't true or ever will be.

Scorpion is very capable of killing Sub-Zero.

It would be an awesome battle as well.

Scorpion can also be killed by Sub-Zero, but not with ease.

When you have the ability to teleport within a second and reappear with an attack, that is a HUGE advantage.

All Sub-Zero has is his creativity with ice.

I mean picture this:

Scorpion and Sub-Zero are engaging in an all out battle to the death.

Scorpion launches the Spear at Sub-Zero and misses, Sub-Zero then retaliates with an ice projectile.

Scorpion teleports right behind Sub, and spears him in the back of the head. Sub-Zero is dead.

Another Scenario:

Sub-Zero flips backwards out of an Ice clone, Scorpion performs Summon Hellfire while Sub-Zero is in air.

Sub-Zero becomes Toast-Zero.

Now Scorpion can also be killed in a few different ways.

Scorpion performs Summon Hellfire Sub dodges it and Freezes Scorpion into a popsicle leaving him open for the kill.

Scorpion may peform a teleport at a bad time while Sub just made an Ice clone and Scorpion teleports right into his death. (Rare that it can happen givin that the teleport is an extremely fast move and would require great to damn near perfect refelxes)

What I'm basically saying is that Scorpion and Sub-Zero are both evened out.

One isn't better than the other.

Fire VS. Ice cancles out eachother.

No FLAME WARS!

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•07/22/2004 08:24 PM (UTC) •

I am a big Sub-Zero fan and all, but I definetly agree with you. In fact, I think that the Dragon Medallion is more of a show of force than an object to increase his powers. What I mean is that having the Medallion is more based on the respect he earns aside from the power increase (although it did increase his powers...HE IS NOT A GOD.)

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•07/22/2004 08:33 PM (UTC) •

Subzero's power didn't just increase when he got the medallion. It's been increasing since he beat out Sektor for the artifact itself.

Point is, he's transcended beyond human status. I don't believe he can die(of natural causes) as long as he has that medallion by his side. And his power is still increasing. He may not be a god yet, but the future holds strong for him.

Although Scorpion may be powerful, the only thing that's getting stronger is his skill. He has no real source to grow from.

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•07/26/2004 12:49 AM (UTC) •

I don't want to compare Subs to God. But the his artifact does give him a boost thats for sure. I agree with you whole heartedly. Scorpion vs Subs is a fair and even match. I favor Scorpion but Sub-Zero is to be feared. I will play them both tell the end of time. But I would like you all to picture this. If Scorpion sucked Subs into Hell the fight would be a little different. Scorpions powers would then increase 2 fold. It would be a brutal fight. Then on the flip side if Subs had Scorpion in his ICE background and had the Dragon M. He would spank all over him. Like you said before fire and ice cancel each other. It's a great fight God or no God like powers. DSB

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•07/26/2004 01:30 AM (UTC) •

If Raiden does die maybe Sub-zero will be selected by the Elder Gods to take Raidens place.

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•07/26/2004 01:35 AM (UTC) •

i dont think sub would take raidens place seeing as Raiden is the God of THUNDER while sub-zero is just a Freezer Geezer (I hate his Bald Ponytail look)plus whoever said Subby has God-Like powers ? I dont remember this from anywhere...

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•07/26/2004 01:50 AM (UTC) •

I'm just saying its very possible that raiden is dead, considering his bio that was posted a few days ago.

Also, raiden said himself in sub-zero's MKDA ending that," that with Sub-Zero as the new Grand Master, that Earth Realm should be well protected."

Maybe Raiden gave his life knowing Sub-zero was there as an Earth protecter just in cast.

If raiden is dead, then Earth will need a new protecter. Fujin has be captured, and the only other character i can think of that might be powerful enought to fill the possion is sub-zero.

I realy don't care if sub-zero becomes a god or not, I just speculating on the fact that Raiden is more than likely dead, but MK characters have a history of coming back from the dead, so who knows.

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•07/26/2004 02:41 AM (UTC) •

It's quite simple really. His powers are godlike. THat's not to say he is of godly status. He just has some powers that say perhaps a god of Ice would have. Not all of them, he is not immortal and such, but his powers to resemble godly powers.

I would say that because all of his moves are based upon Ice that he is more godlike as gods usually have one defining power, broken up into several abilities. Godlike is a descriptive word that describes a level of power, beauty, intelligence etc. It does not indicate that the object or person that is being described is a god.

Good topic, nice to see something different.

As for sub killing scorpion, it depends on which one I'm controlling j/k!

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•07/26/2004 03:02 AM (UTC) •

TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Subzero's power didn't just increase when he got the medallion. It's been increasing since he beat out Sektor for the artifact itself.

Point is, he's transcended beyond human status. I don't believe he can die(of natural causes) as long as he has that medallion by his side. And his power is still increasing. He may not be a god yet, but the future holds strong for him.

Although Scorpion may be powerful, the only thing that's getting stronger is his skill. He has no real source to grow from.

You see, whatever amount of power Sub-Zero has over Ice will always be matched by Scorpion's power over Fire.

Scorpion utilizes the power Fire just as well as Sub does with Ice.

And Scorpion's source of power is Hell. (Which is a real source)

And he can go come back as he pleases.

And you can see Sub-Zero is being taken over by the medallion in a negative effect as well.

It is making him age a bit rapidly.

Scorpion on the other hand can't age or be effected in a negative way by his power source due to him being already dead.

And no offense to you, but you "believing" he can't die of natural causes doesn't mean anything.

And he has yet to prove his powers are "God-Like" and I continue to say that they are not.

And to whoever said that he may become an Elder-God in the future, I don't think so.

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•07/26/2004 03:33 AM (UTC) •

I never said he would become an elder god. I said he might be selected by the elder gods to take raidens place as earths protecter.

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•07/26/2004 03:37 AM (UTC) •

anubis177 Wrote:
I never said he would become an elder god. I said he might be selected by the elder gods to take raidens place as earths protecter.

Whatever the case is, I just want to make it clear that Scorpion and Sub-Zero are straight up EVEN.

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•07/26/2004 03:44 AM (UTC) •

Hell_Spawned Wrote:

TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Subzero's power didn't just increase when he got the medallion. It's been increasing since he beat out Sektor for the artifact itself.

Point is, he's transcended beyond human status. I don't believe he can die(of natural causes) as long as he has that medallion by his side. And his power is still increasing. He may not be a god yet, but the future holds strong for him.

Although Scorpion may be powerful, the only thing that's getting stronger is his skill. He has no real source to grow from.

You see, whatever amount of power Sub-Zero has over Ice will always be matched by Scorpion's power over Fire.

Scorpion utilizes the power Fire just as well as Sub does with Ice.

And Scorpion's source of power is Hell. (Which is a real source)

And he can go come back as he pleases.

And you can see Sub-Zero is being taken over by the medallion in a negative effect as well.

It is making him age a bit rapidly.

Scorpion on the other hand can't age or be effected in a negative way by his power source due to him being already dead.

And no offense to you, but you "believing" he can't die of natural causes doesn't mean anything.

And he has yet to prove his powers are "God-Like" and I continue to say that they are not.

And to whoever said that he may become an Elder-God in the future, I don't think so.

What's your point? If you ask me, I think this all comes down to you being a big Scorpion fan and not liking the fact that many users on here consider Sub-Zero to have godlike powers.

But if I must say, Sub-Zero does have god like powers. Like someone said, it doesn't mean you are like a god, just you have control over one thing like the gods do in the MK realm. Scorpion and Sub-Zero imo, both have control over their power at a godly level.

Simply put, if people want to say sub-Zero has god like powers, they are well entitled to it and wouldn't be far off either.

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•07/26/2004 04:25 AM (UTC) •

So how would you describe his powers then? Farmer-like? Ice Cream-like? Cuase it certainly isn't mortal-like. When it comes down to it, god-like is the best suited term to describe his power.

It doesn't make him a god, his powers have god-like qualities.

As for Sub and Scorp being even, that is true. Same goes for every other character. It all comes down to the player, which is why the game is fun. You have a good chance of killing anyone with anyone as long as you can use them.

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•07/26/2004 04:37 AM (UTC) •

Hell_Spawned Wrote:
You see, whatever amount of power Sub-Zero has over Ice will always be matched by Scorpion's power over Fire.

Scorpion utilizes the power Fire just as well as Sub does with Ice.

And Scorpion's source of power is Hell. (Which is a real source)

And he can go come back as he pleases.

And you can see Sub-Zero is being taken over by the medallion in a negative effect as well.

It is making him age a bit rapidly.

Scorpion on the other hand can't age or be effected in a negative way by his power source due to him being already dead.

And no offense to you, but you "believing" he can't die of natural causes doesn't mean anything.

And he has yet to prove his powers are "God-Like" and I continue to say that they are not.

And to whoever said that he may become an Elder-God in the future, I don't think so.

True, I may speak of theory, but let's talk about facts.

Scorpion's power has not increased before MKD. Subzero's has increased drastically.

Second, Scorpion was BEATEN by Subzero in the past. The original Subzero, that is. Scorpion's victory afterwards was attributed to his undead powers. Subzero has become drastically stronger with the medallion, not to mention has a much better resume of victories than Scorpion.

And finally, there is nothing to prove that Scorp's fire is on par with Sub's ice. Scorpion may be able to breath and life fire, but he is in no way a master of it. Subzero is literally an authority over ice.

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•07/26/2004 04:42 AM (UTC) •

TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Scorpion's power has not increased before MKD. Subzero's has increased drastically.

Second, Scorpion was BEATEN by Subzero in the past. The original Subzero, that is. Scorpion's victory afterwards was attributed to his undead powers. Subzero has become drastically stronger with the medallion, not to mention has a much better resume of victories than Scorpion.

And finally, there is nothing to prove that Scorp's fire is on par with Sub's ice. Scorpion may be able to breath and life fire, but he is in no way a master of it. Subzero is literally an authority over ice.

That's not true, it stated in DA that Scorpion's power increased everytime he returned to the Netherealm and continued to grow the longer he stayed there. It doesn't say if his power increaed to the same extent of Sub-Zero, but his power has been increasing.

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•07/26/2004 04:58 AM (UTC) •

XiahouDun84 Wrote:
That's not true, it stated in DA that Scorpion's power increased everytime he returned to the Netherealm and continued to grow the longer he stayed there. It doesn't say if his power increaed to the same extent of Sub-Zero, but his power has been increasing.

Interesting. I was not aware of this. This does indeed change things. But the rest of my post still stands. There is nothing to indicate that they're even matches, or even otherwise.

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•07/26/2004 03:28 PM (UTC) •

I thought Scorpion beat Sub-zero in his MK4 ending, the one when scorpion takes Quan Chi to the Neatherrealm. And that ending did happen because Quan Chi was running from Scorpion, in the Neatherrealm, at the begining of MKDA.

Now please correct me if I'm wrong, my mind is a little hazy on the details, but I think that is what happened.

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•07/26/2004 04:00 PM (UTC) •

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere official that Sub-Zero has turned into a semi god. Not sure if it was in Konquest, in bios, or endings, but I'm sure I've seen it officially stated.

And no, right now, Scorpion and Sub-Zero are defenetely NOT straight even, Sub-Zero has alot more power.

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•07/26/2004 05:24 PM (UTC) •

anubis177 wrote: thought Scorpion beat Sub-zero in his MK4 ending, the one when scorpion takes Quan Chi to the Neatherrealm. And that ending did happen because Quan Chi was running from Scorpion, in the Neatherrealm, at the begining of MKDA.

Now please correct me if I'm wrong, my mind is a little hazy on the details, but I think that is what happened.<

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•07/27/2004 07:59 PM (UTC) •

I agree completely with what you're saying here. This post is more defending Scorpion's pride than arguing Sub-Zero's 'godliness'. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Scorpion fan, but I think it's safe to say that Sub-Zero does have god-like powers. I mean. look at him. It's not that easy to debate over. Also, don't start a new paragraph for every sentence, it makes you look like an idiot.

CMETH Wrote:

Hell_Spawned Wrote:

TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Subzero's power didn't just increase when he got the medallion. It's been increasing since he beat out Sektor for the artifact itself.

Point is, he's transcended beyond human status. I don't believe he can die(of natural causes) as long as he has that medallion by his side. And his power is still increasing. He may not be a god yet, but the future holds strong for him.

Although Scorpion may be powerful, the only thing that's getting stronger is his skill. He has no real source to grow from.

You see, whatever amount of power Sub-Zero has over Ice will always be matched by Scorpion's power over Fire.

Scorpion utilizes the power Fire just as well as Sub does with Ice.

And Scorpion's source of power is Hell. (Which is a real source)

And he can go come back as he pleases.

And you can see Sub-Zero is being taken over by the medallion in a negative effect as well.

It is making him age a bit rapidly.

Scorpion on the other hand can't age or be effected in a negative way by his power source due to him being already dead.

And no offense to you, but you "believing" he can't die of natural causes doesn't mean anything.

And he has yet to prove his powers are "God-Like" and I continue to say that they are not.

And to whoever said that he may become an Elder-God in the future, I don't think so.

What's your point? If you ask me, I think this all comes down to you being a big Scorpion fan and not liking the fact that many users on here consider Sub-Zero to have godlike powers.

But if I must say, Sub-Zero does have god like powers. Like someone said, it doesn't mean you are like a god, just you have control over one thing like the gods do in the MK realm. Scorpion and Sub-Zero imo, both have control over their power at a godly level.

Simply put, if people want to say sub-Zero has god like powers, they are well entitled to it and wouldn't be far off either.

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