My idea for a female boss
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posted04/09/2008 11:31 PM (UTC)by
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A lot of people seem to want a female boss
And people want to see Scorpion go in a new direction

Scorpion hunts down Quan Chi in Armageddon. Scorpion kills Quan and in doing so breaks the Medallion. Quan with a sick laugh calls Scorpion a fool, then dies. Scorpion then sees the essence (which looks like a ghost) coming out of the broken Medallion. It looks like his wife (cuz I think Lucifer should shapeshift). Scorpion finally feels happiness. Lucifer will end up using Scorpion to help her build an army and fight Shinnok and his minions for control of the netherealm. She tricks Scorpion by pretending that shes his wife. She tells him that by defeating Shinnok, both scorpion and her will be accepted into the heavens and reunite with his son.

She tells him it is heavens bidding that it be done. He believes it.

Lucifer is in a very weak state. She could easily be trapped again. She needs Scorpions protection. So she hides in Scorpions layer, and every day that passes she get stronger and more powerful. She wants the netherealm back. Shinnoks version is weak. People can escape. She wants it to be the hell it used to be. Torturous to all realm beings, a real Hell. And after she makes that happen she wants to make every realm a netherealm.

She tells Scorpion to find followers of hers and free them(2 new characters who are wicked evil). They help build her army under Shinnoks nose.

Second game at the ending when she has conquered the netherealm she tells her follower to kill Scorpion. Scorpion escapes. Her follower is 2 scared 2 tell her of the escape as he fears her vengeance. So he lies

She finally shows her true form in the last game and challenges the elder gods and one being for power over the heavens. But only one knows how to stop her, Scorpion(maybe with the help of Shinnok).

After Scorpion flees from the netherealm He searches for the only way he thinks he can rejoin his family. The komidogu(maybe a konquest). He finds them all, puts them together and the One being tells him in order to get to heaven he must defeat Lucifer.

Overview?

I want her to be the most evil character in the game. Killing the majority of all the realms inhabitants, and almost turning every realm into hell. This should be done over a 2 or 3 game series to build her character. She should be the boss in the last game and shouldnt be playable in the first game.

Scorpion would end up battling with the likes of Noob, Smoke (maybe teaming up with Sub-zero a bit), and Shinnok. As a character he would finally develop. I love this idea

It should also be noted that Lucifer calls Scorpion by his real name. To make it sound like they were once together.

It only really speaks of Lucifer in Mk Mythologies. When it says Lucifer its as if Lucifer is a male. But since its in mythologies I would change the story a bit and make lucifer female. I dont want her character to have any religious characteristics, but in the game as she becomes more powerful she will become worshipped.

Looks:

I have no clue what she should look like. She should look beautiful at first. But when she chooses to show her true form it should be scary evil looking.

Moves:

Dark Supernatural bloody moves should be it. I think one move should be a demeantor(harry potter) type thing. Where she can make you think that you hear your parents dying or something like that. I dont know how you would make that work in a videogame tho. A fatality should be where she gives you an evil stare(her eyes turn black) and the other character starts bleeding out of every oriface, then collapses and dies.

What do yall think? Maybe yall can give me some ideas for her.

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Sub_ZER0
04/05/2008 11:35 PM (UTC)
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I love the idea, but it might be too controversial for a Main MK game to have Lucifer as a boss.
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04/05/2008 11:39 PM (UTC)
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MK needs controversial issues to bring back the title. Controverse built this game. Thats why its so popular. But thanks 4 liking my idea
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04/06/2008 12:46 AM (UTC)
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Boy these ninjas sure get tricked easily......
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MK-4-LIFE
04/06/2008 01:06 AM (UTC)
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Man Scorpion's a dumbass.
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/06/2008 01:07 AM (UTC)
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Although I'd like to see Scorpion's story improve and while I'm not against the idea of having a female boss in a future MK game, your ideas have major problems. It seems to me that you don't pay that much attention to MK's story, because some of the things you mentioned are illogical.

Here's how I'm going to break it down:

Scorpion hunts down Quan Chi in Armageddon. Scorpion kills Quan and in doing so breaks the Medallion.


How does killing Quan Chi break Shinnok's Amulet? Considering the power contained within the amulet itself, for it to be broken so easily is kind of silly.

Scorpion then sees the essence (which looks like a ghost) coming out of the broken Medallion.. It looks like his wife (cuz I think Lucifer should shapeshift). Scorpion finally feels happiness. Lucifer will end up using Scorpion to help her build an army and fight Shinnok and his minions for control of the netherealm. She tricks Scorpion by pretending that shes his wife.


Since when has there been an entity trapped in Shinnok's Amulet? It's impossible for Lucifer to have been trapped in Shinnok's Amulet, because Shinnok did NOT have his amulet when he was in the Netherrealm. Why would Scorpion think that it's his wife when he knows that his wife is dead?

She tells him that by defeating Shinnok, both scorpion and her will be accepted into the heavens and reunite with his son.

She tells him it is heavens bidding that it be done. He believes it.


That would make Scorpion quite gullible. His character has been damaged enough as it is.

Torturous to all realm beings


Isn't the Netherrealm still a torturous place?

Second game at the ending when she has conquered the netherealm she tells her follower to kill Scorpion. Scorpion escapes.


Why? Wouldn't it be smarter for Lucifer to continue manipulating Scorpion?

She finally shows her true form in the last game and challenges the elder gods and one being for power over the heavens. But only one knows how to stop her, Scorpion(maybe with the help of Shinnok).


Why would Lucifer challenge the Elder Gods when they are far more powerful? How can Lucifer challenge the One Being? That doesn't make any sense, because the One Being is not whole. Why would Scorpion be the only one that knows how to stop Lucifer?

After Scorpion flees from the netherealm He searches for the only way he thinks he can rejoin his family. The komidogu(maybe a konquest). He finds them all, puts them together and the One being tells him in order to get to heaven he must defeat Lucifer.


1. It's spelled Kamidogu.

2. The Kamidogu were destroyed by Shujinko in his battle against Onaga.

3. If the Kamidogu were still around, Scorpion would need all 6 of them AND Shinnok's Amulet. Also, he would need to know how to fuse them and knowledge of that can be found in Edenia.

4. For Scorpion to fuse them together would make him even more of an idiot, because he would end Reality by making the One Being whole again.

It should also be noted that Lucifer calls Scorpion by his real name. To make it sound like they were once together.


How would Lucifer even know Scorpion's real name when they have never met each other before? Then there's the fact that Lucifer was killed by Shinnok and that his remaining essence was imprisoned.

It only really speaks of Lucifer in Mk Mythologies. When it says Lucifer its as if Lucifer is a male. But since its in mythologies I would change the story a bit and make lucifer female.


By changing Lucifer into a female, you've basically retconned the story. Why not just have a new female character as a boss? I personally think that would work better.

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So overall, I'm not fond of your ideas. It would help if you versed yourself in MK's storyline better.
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04/06/2008 07:45 PM (UTC)
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How does killing Quan Chi break Shinnok's Amulet? Considering the power contained within the amulet itself, for it to be broken so easily is kind of silly.

Answer: Scorpion is a champion of the elder gods, and Quan chi is powerful himself, a battle between the two, plus blazes explosion could cause it to break. Maybe the blast doesnt break it but just frees lucifer.



Since when has there been an entity trapped in Shinnok's Amulet? It's impossible for Lucifer to have been trapped in Shinnok's Amulet, because Shinnok did NOT have his amulet when he was in the Netherrealm. Why would Scorpion think that it's his wife when he knows that his wife is dead?

Answer: There is mystery to the amulet, nobody knows it hidden power. Maybe Scorpion just thinks shes dead, but when seeing his wife I dont think anyone would who has loved some one would put it all together at the time. Maybe scorpion thinks quan chi trapped her soul inside the amulet.



She tells him that by defeating Shinnok, both scorpion and her will be accepted into the heavens and reunite with his son. She tells him it is heavens bidding that it be done. He believes it.

That would make Scorpion quite gullible. His character has been damaged enough as it is.

Answer: The way I would make the story would be a very hard way to tell scorpions wife and lucifer apart.




Torturous to all realm beings

sn't the Netherrealm still a torturous place?

Answer: Not as torturous as when lucifer was in power.


Second game at the ending when she has conquered the netherealm she tells her follower to kill Scorpion. Scorpion escapes.

Why? Wouldn't it be smarter for Lucifer to continue manipulating Scorpion?

Answer: She doesnt need him anymore. His work is over


Why would Lucifer challenge the Elder Gods when they are far more powerful? How can Lucifer challenge the One Being? That doesn't make any sense, because the One Being is not whole. Why would Scorpion be the only one that knows how to stop Lucifer?

Answer: Maybe Lucifer gains something that can challenge the powers of the Elder Gods. There isnt enough info on what the one being is to determine any thing on it.


After Scorpion flees from the netherealm He searches for the only way he thinks he can rejoin his family. The komidogu(maybe a konquest). He finds them all, puts them together and the One being tells him in order to get to heaven he must defeat Lucifer.


1. It's spelled Kamidogu.

2. The Kamidogu were destroyed by Shujinko in his battle against Onaga.

3. If the Kamidogu were still around, Scorpion would need all 6 of them AND Shinnok's Amulet. Also, he would need to know how to fuse them and knowledge of that can be found in Edenia.

4. For Scorpion to fuse them together would make him even more of an idiot, because he would end Reality by making the One Being whole again.

Answer:The kamidogu have never been fused together. Nobody knows what truly will happen. It is better to have mysteries in a story than know everything. The reason Scorpion choses to is that he is reached his boiling point, and wants to end it all. But find out the truth to the kamidogu.


How would Lucifer even know Scorpion's real name when they have never met each other before? Then there's the fact that Lucifer was killed by Shinnok and that his remaining essence was imprisoned.

Answer: She would have supernatural powers, and would know a lot more about someone who freed her. The remaining essence was imprisoned in the amulet. If the essence has enough time it will bring her back to full health.


By changing Lucifer into a female, you've basically retconned the story. Why not just have a new female character as a boss? I personally think that would work better.

Answer: Stories have been retconned before, changing a character we have never seen before from a male to a female isnt retconning at all. A lot of people would like to see lucifer in the story, why not make lucifer female.

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So overall, I'm not fond of your ideas. It would help if you versed yourself in MK's storyline better.

I know your not fond of my ideas, but it isnt impossible like you say. You just want it your way. But guess what? There isnt much wrong with the story. A few tidbits could be changed I admit, but it wouldnt take much time to do so. You dont seem to want any mystery in MK either, but everyone seems to like mystery in videogame like this one.
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04/06/2008 11:19 PM (UTC)
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Answer: Scorpion is a champion of the elder gods, and Quan chi is powerful himself, a battle between the two, plus blazes explosion could cause it to break. Maybe the blast doesnt break it but just frees lucifer.


Scorpion was a champion of the Elder Gods. That title was over when he left them. I can buy the idea of the amulet breaking due to the energy released by Blaze, but not by Scorpion killing Quan Chi.

Answer: There is mystery to the amulet, nobody knows it hidden power. Maybe Scorpion just thinks shes dead, but when seeing his wife I dont think anyone would who has loved some one would put it all together at the time. Maybe scorpion thinks quan chi trapped her soul inside the amulet.


Actually, Shinnok and Raiden know its hidden power. Quan Chi does not have the power of soul transplantation, so he could not have trapped the soul of Scorpion's wife in the amulet. If he did have such a power, he would not have needed Shang Tsung's help.

Answer: The way I would make the story would be a very hard way to tell scorpions wife and lucifer apart.


How?

Answer: Not as torturous as when lucifer was in power.


Unless you have proof, I'd say that's your speculation.

Answer: She doesnt need him anymore. His work is over


But what about using him as some kind of enforcer to help her seize control over all realms?

Answer: Maybe Lucifer gains something that can challenge the powers of the Elder Gods. There isnt enough info on what the one being is to determine any thing on it.


Well, if it's a means of gaining enough power to take down the Elder Gods, that would be quite a challenge. As for the One Being, even though we don't know a lot about it, my point still stands. For Lucifer to challenge the One Being makes no sense at all. From the little that we do know about the One Being, its shattered consciousness makes up the fabric of the realms.

Answer:The kamidogu have never been fused together. Nobody knows what truly will happen. It is better to have mysteries in a story than know everything. The reason Scorpion choses to is that he is reached his boiling point, and wants to end it all. But find out the truth to the kamidogu.


That completely ignores what I was trying to say in this part of my previous response. The fact of the matter is that the Kamidogu were destroyed, and even if they were still around, Scorpion would need to get all 6 of them AND Shinnok's Amulet, which is the key piece to fusing the Kamidogu. As for what will happen, it's mentioned in Shujinko's MKD bio.

Answer: She would have supernatural powers, and would know a lot more about someone who freed her. The remaining essence was imprisoned in the amulet. If the essence has enough time it will bring her back to full health.


So you're saying that she'd just automatically know stuff about the one that frees her? As for the remaining essence being imprisoned in the amulet, I already made it clear that Shinnok did not have his amulet when he was imprisioned in the Netherrealm. So by throwing in your new story element, you'd be putting in a contradiction that would cause problems with the established story.

Answer: Stories have been retconned before, changing a character we have never seen before from a male to a female isnt retconning at all. A lot of people would like to see lucifer in the story, why not make lucifer female.


It's simply because Lucifer was said to be male. Even though stories have been retconned before doesn't mean that it's ok to do it. More often than not, the retcons in MK's story have been bad. MKSM's story comes to mind. If you're going to retcon something, make sure it has a positive effect on the story. But it seems to me that you want to ignore the canon and just change so much of it to suit your own story idea.

I know your not fond of my ideas, but it isnt impossible like you say. You just want it your way. But guess what? There isnt much wrong with the story. A few tidbits could be changed I admit, but it wouldnt take much time to do so. You dont seem to want any mystery in MK either, but everyone seems to like mystery in videogame like this one.


No, I'm just pointing out why your story idea wouldn't work. By having a backstory in which Lucifer's remaining essence was trapped in Shinnok's amulet would make MK Mythologies: Sub-Zero almost completely pointless. That would once again throw out the story and replace it with something sub-par. By being so flexible that big retcons can take place, why bother with the story at all?

As for not wanting any mystery in MK, I don't know how you got that idea, but you're mistaken. You're one of the people that has read the MK: Resurrection story, so you should know that there are elements of mystery in it.
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04/07/2008 02:26 AM (UTC)
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The only exception I'll make to have a female boss is if Moloch put himself under sex change plastic surgery.
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04/09/2008 02:32 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th, you are using sound logic, but I think you are trying to drill too many holes through the story. For example: Quan Chi doesn't have the power of soul transference, but does Scorpion know that? Also, if you believe the mythologies about Lucifer, it's not impossible to believe he knows how to present himself in a form that deceives people.

Lucifer could also be retconned to female gender without being too much hassle. Lucifier could be above race and gender, and maybe take some form of "female form" without actually being female? You could also have her rule over the Netherealm being so paranoid that she didn't truly reveal herself to anyone, and the "he" description associated with her is just assumption.

I mean, you are right in everything that you said, but the story could be explained away, albeit in a shaky way.

Personally, I think the biggest problem with the idea is that it is pretty much the same thing as Shujinko/Damashi/Onaga. Scorpion is Shujinko, thinks he is doing the right thing, Damashi is "his wife," and Onaga is Lucifer.

My idea for a female boss character, is a female sorceress. She appears to about Li Mei's age, and is basically another "sexy female character," although she isn't quite at slutty levels. She walks the like between proud of her body and being reserved and classy. I'd give her a staff which uses her sorcery like a fighting style. For example, punching in this style could send an energy blast at her opponent. She becomes a fighter that doesn't actually go hand-to-hand when she can avoid it. She would have physical moves and styles, though. Namely a hand-to-hand style, and one where she uses her staff as a physical weapon.

Another idea is to take the black widow spider, and play with that a little. The black widow is infamous for eating its male after mating. I'm sure they could create some kind of eight-legged beast with unmistakable female qualities to be a boss character.
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ErmaSco
04/09/2008 01:18 PM (UTC)
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I dont like the idea nor I think that many will .

A sub boss maybe but a boss .no

When you play Mk and fight your way throught the fighters you want to meet with big head .

The big head must be either jiant or a sorcorer .

I dont think that many people wont care about fighting an ugly jiant women but will enjoy fighting an ugly jiant man .

Going by this theory <>smile
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04/09/2008 07:38 PM (UTC)
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This is great in all but we don't know what the fighting is going to be like in MK8. From what we do know (which is very little) the whole fighting engine is being rebuilded from the ground up. I don't think they'll take out the weapons, but i do not think it's safe to say there will be two fighting and one weapon style again.

And this whole Lucifer escaping is like Onaga all over again. That would be beating a dead horse. So basically your idea is Armageddon all over again, and mentioning that game we saw the selfishness of all the Kombatants. I highly doubt Scorpion is going to team up with anyone.
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04/09/2008 11:31 PM (UTC)
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Thanks for presenting my idea in a better way.
As far as the story being like Onagas, yall are sort of right, although I didnt mean it to be that way. I did put some differences in there, such as a 3 game storyline, a take over of most realms, Lucifer would be worshipped, Lucifer doesnt want to end it all, she wants to rule it all... including the heavens.
As far as Scorpion not joining the team, I think he would to be in heaven with his son along with his wife. It doesnt mean he will lose his killer instinct or start being sociable tho. I know a lot of men with wifes that are loners.
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