Quasi-Canon List of the Casualties for MK:A

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08/27/2005 08:37 PM (UTC)

I posted this a few months ago, however it was quickly closed and redirected to a thread that it was nothing like. Why? I have no idea.

I'm trying again.

Guidelines
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These are the rules I followed when compiling this list.

1. Taven's ending is canon.

2. Characters whose endings state that they kill Blaze are considered Dead,

3. Characters whose endings state they recieve power, but do NOT say they defeated Blaze, are considered Survivors.

4. Characters who survive, but their ending is implausible are considered Dead (in the case of Jade) or Unconfirmed (in the case of Raiden.)

5. Defeated and killed are not interchangeable. A character may survive despite being defeated.

6. Time and space are not issues. Endings which may require leaps of faith to be considered canon are given them. (Scorpion, Quan Chi, Sub-Zero, and Sareena's endings intertwine, though illogically.)

7. Characters who are created from canon endings are written in as 'newbies.'

8. Characters with implausible endings who survive in canon endings are considered survivors.

THE LIST
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Dead:
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Blaze
Bo' Rai Cho
Chameleon
Cyrax
Darrius
Frost
Goro
Hsu Hao
Jade
Jarek
Johnny Cage
Khameleon
Kintaro
Kira
Kobra
Li Mei
Mavado
Meat
Mokap
Nitara
Sektor
Sheeva
Shujinko
Smoke
Sonya
Tanya

Survivors:
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Ashrah
Sareena
Sub-Zero
Quan Chi
Scorpion
Baraka
Mileena
Dairou
Drahmin
Ermac
Fujin
Kung Lao
Hotaru
Havik
Jade
Jax
Kabal
Kai
Motaro
Kano
Kenshi
Kitana
Liu Kang
Nightwolf
Rain
Reiko
Reptile
Noob
Shinnok
Sindel

Unconfirmed:
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Raiden
Shao Kahn
Moloch
Onaga
Daegon

Newbies:
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Jerod
Shinnok(2)

Add corrections and storyline speculations as need be. I'd like to make this as clear and 'official' as possible in order to stave off the annoying wait for, and likely soul-crushingly bad, MK8. ^_^

nastynate

@nastynate

•07/09/2007 12:42 AM (UTC) •

seeing as the previous one was closed as you stated, I am guessing that this one will be as well and some skull points are coming your way dude. We already know who is "dead" and who isnt. Plus this list has been drawn up NUMEROUS times before. This is just another useless thread that is flooding the forums

in before the lock

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•07/09/2007 11:27 AM (UTC) •

nastynate Wrote:
seeing as the previous one was closed as you stated, I am guessing that this one will be as well and some skull points are coming your way dude. We already know who is "dead" and who isnt. Plus this list has been drawn up NUMEROUS times before. This is just another useless thread that is flooding the forums

in before the lock

While I probably won't get skulled (given that my old thread was made about a week after the game was released), I don't remember seeing this as a thread before, not that it couldn't have been, just that I haven't seen it.

And, you say flooding, but I don't think you know what flooding is. I doubt a stray thread or two could be considered flooding, even on a forum that has a little activity as this one does (but, the mods do tend to say anything that they lock is 'flooding', don't they...hmm....)

But, oh well, if it gets locked, it gets locked. ^_^

•07/09/2007 02:33 PM (UTC) •

totally disagree with you.
you choose your characters dying and suriving in a random way.
you said that all the characters that defeats Blaze and learn new powers are dead:
1)the ending are "what if" type,so they could possibly not happening;
2)and tell me,how can you tells us who surivive and who not?
3)a characer's ending can show blaze's defeat,however we don't know if his story is changed.During Mk storyline we have a lot of endings not confirmed in the following games,but the character surive(for istance jax ending in Mk Unchained,he defeats onaga;this is not true as we learn form Nightwolf and Shujinko bios in Armageddon,but this deosn't means that jax died).

so with all the respect,this thread is pointless.

and again except Subby and Scorpy,and MAYBE few(FEW,FEW,FEW) others like kenshi and Sonya(fan favourites) can return,but everyione or almost everyone will die.
so don't be dissapointed if in Mk8 you won't see any new char.

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•07/09/2007 04:04 PM (UTC) •

lastfighter89 Wrote:
totally disagree with you.
you choose your characters dying and suriving in a random way.
you said that all the characters that defeats Blaze and learn new powers are dead:
1)the ending are "what if" type,so they could possibly not happening;
2)and tell me,how can you tells us who surivive and who not?
3)a characer's ending can show blaze's defeat,however we don't know if his story is changed.During Mk storyline we have a lot of endings not confirmed in the following games,but the character surive(for istance jax ending in Mk Unchained,he defeats onaga;this is not true as we learn form Nightwolf and Shujinko bios in Armageddon,but this deosn't means that jax died).

so with all the respect,this thread is pointless.

It wasn't random at all.

Here's the method I used:

If an ending says: "When they defeated Blaze" or whatever, I call them dead. This is because their ending couldn't possibly happen (as Taven is the one who defeats Blaze) and therefore their storyline, in the case of this list, ends during Armageddon.

However, its stated in Taven's ending (which, again, I'm assuming is canon) that Blaze's power spreads out to the fighters or whatever. So, any ending that says 'When Blaze's power surged through them...." I count that as meaning the character lives. Unless, of course, their ending is implausible or a joke (Jade and Kitana respectively.)

In which case, I see if that character is mentioned in any other canon ending (Kitana is mentioned in Mileena's) and, if so, I put them on the correct list. If no case can be made either way, I put them as being 'unconfirmed.'

Genku

@Genku

•07/09/2007 06:22 PM (UTC) •

I hate to point out a blunder, but there's one rather important figure you left off your list(s) and I'd like to add him under survivors given the circumstances of his ending: Liu Kang

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•07/09/2007 07:53 PM (UTC) •

Genku Wrote:
I hate to point out a blunder, but there's one rather important figure you left off your list(s) and I'd like to add him under survivors given the circumstances of his ending: Liu Kang

He's been on the list...He's between Kitana and Nightwolf.

•07/10/2007 09:18 AM (UTC) •

again,you can't trust endings,'cause these aren't storyline endings,but "what uif" endings.
in MK franchise there's two kind of endings,"storyline" and "what if?".
The "what if?" endings are used troughout mk1,mk2 and mk armageddon.
Almost 90% of this endings does not happens,but the character survive as well.
a good example is Mortal kombat:of the seven characters,in their ending every one wins the tournament.However we know that ONLY Liu kang wins the tournament.'cause scorpion,Johnny Cage,Kano and rayden surives we know that even if their ending is not canon or partially canon they are kept alive.
Instead the "storyline ending"(most loved from Mk community) are edning that follows one single plot,with only one character fighting a enemy.
the only thing that change is the winner of that fight,for instance the ending of Sektor and Cyrax in MK Gold.
This kind of ending or happens or doesn't happens at all;in mk 4 for example there's a lot of endings that confirms that Liu kang defeated Shinnok with the aid of Fujin and rayden.
For example in Johnny cage eding he wins a prize,in kai ending he have rayden staff,but in the end is not shown another character different from Liu kang defeating Shinnok.
Instead in Mk3 almost everyone saves earth and kills Shao Kahn.

Sub-Zero_7th

@Sub-Zero_7th

•07/10/2007 02:58 PM (UTC) •

If we go by the first rule, all the others are null and void. Regardless of what words were used in other endings, they still represent what if that character got to Blaze. Although defeated and killed are not of the same meaning, you have to understand that the context of these endings is about Blaze dying and the energy from his death being released, regardless of whether the word "defeated" or "killed" is used.

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•07/10/2007 04:13 PM (UTC) •

Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
If we go by the first rule, all the others are null and void. Regardless of what words were used in other endings, they still represent what if that character got to Blaze. Although defeated and killed are not of the same meaning, you have to understand that the context of these endings is about Blaze dying and the energy from his death being released, regardless of whether the word "defeated" or "killed" is used.

No, they don't. Some endings say "When X defeated Blaze", however some endings say "When the power of Blaze entered X." I took the second to mean that Taven's ending had occured given that Blaze's power was released into the crowd.

The defeated and killed thing is a reference to endings in which a character is said to have defeated another (ie Reiko defeats Shao Kahn) and those that say they killed them (Kabal kills Mavado.) For the sake of argument, defeated and killed had to be different as some characters are defeated multiple times, and there's no way for me to tell when, along a timeline, this could happen. So, I had to roll with it and say death and defeated are 2 different things.

lastfighter89 Wrote:
again,you can't trust endings,'cause these aren't storyline endings,but "what uif" endings.
in MK franchise there's two kind of endings,"storyline" and "what if?".
The "what if?" endings are used troughout mk1,mk2 and mk armageddon.....

I know. I wasn't putting out a prediction for the storyline of the next game. I was just stating that, given that Taven's ending is probably canon, the following endings cannot be (these are the dead) and these ones are possible (these are the survivors.)

•07/11/2007 09:00 PM (UTC) •

again,.Taven ending have the same chaces to happens of mkap!
it's presumed to be the canoncal ending...only'cause he's the protagunist of Konquest game in Armageddon,and they give him the attitude of the main hero,instead of Liu kang and shujinko.

Are just (good) ideas,but nothing to be trusted.

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•07/12/2007 08:24 AM (UTC) •

lastfighter89 Wrote:
again,.Taven ending have the same chaces to happens of mkap!
it's presumed to be the canoncal ending...only'cause he's the protagunist of Konquest game in Armageddon,and they give him the attitude of the main hero,instead of Liu kang and shujinko.

Are just (good) ideas,but nothing to be trusted.

Uhhh...Yeah. Stop telling me stuff I already know. I realize his ending might not be canon, but it has a far better chance of being canon then most of the other endings (Shao Kahn's/Blaze's/etc.) and allows for several other endings to happen, instead of just his (the Survived list.) No other ending in the game does both.

Plus, I needed a starting point for my list. Otherwise I'd just be randomly picking endings instead of logically choosing ones based on set constraints.

PenguinIceNinja

@PenguinIceNinja

•07/12/2007 11:00 AM (UTC) •

I seriously doubt boon and staff knew who was going survuve on in MK8 when they made MKA. They will have a meeting and say scorp and sub stays the rest are new.

MyQueenSindel

@MyQueenSindel

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•07/13/2007 04:08 PM (UTC) •

Woo! sindel lives! I agree with this list.

•07/13/2007 04:13 PM (UTC) •

Plus, I needed a starting point for my list. Otherwise I'd just be randomly picking endings instead of logically choosing ones based on set constraints.

it's actually what you're doing!
LMAO!

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•07/13/2007 05:25 PM (UTC) •

lastfighter89 Wrote:
Plus, I needed a starting point for my list. Otherwise I'd just be randomly picking endings instead of logically choosing ones based on set constraints.

it's actually what you're doing!
LMAO!

I didn't randomly pick names you dumb shit. Obviously you either A) Don't understand English, or B) Don't understand the method used to create this list. Which is it?

Sub-Zero_7th

@Sub-Zero_7th

•07/13/2007 05:43 PM (UTC) •

Alright, alright. Settle down Darklord. Don't let things get out of hand.

RaisnCain

@RaisnCain

•07/13/2007 07:05 PM (UTC) •

Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Alright, alright. Settle down Darklord. Don't let things get out of hand.

LOL

Other than that, I can agree with the list. It's logical probability. It's based on the info we got which makes it "logical".

Ermac92

@Ermac92

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•07/13/2007 10:04 PM (UTC) •

Johnny Cage dead, he'll be back, he always comes back.