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Resolving the conflicted origins of Shao Kahn. (Konquest Spoilers)
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posted11/05/2004 01:37 AM (UTC)by
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ErmacMk5
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"Outworld is filled with strange creatures- and an evil emperor who is said to have been just like Raiden at one time."- An old Earthrealm man.
This and other signs, point to Shao Kahn having been a benevolent deity much like Raiden; however Shujinko's bio suggests that Kahn was Onaga's advisor. Why would a God be the underling to a mortal you ask?
Well this is my theory; when they say advisor, they mean in more the way Raiden advises Liu Kang and Kung Lao than the way Shang Tsung advised Shao Kahn; sort of a mentor. Here goes my interpretation of the Outworld history.
" Onaga was a mortal being of great power; a warrior king, on the level of a Quan Chi or Shang Tsung in power. He was advised by the God protectorate of Outworld, Shao Kahn. Kahn was a benevolent deity, but gradual, over the years of Onaga's rule, the power of the one being began to take control of him.
Much like Shinnok before him, Shao Kahn was tempted with the idea of being the ruler of a realm; unlike Shinnok, Shao Kahn's initial goal wasn't Earthrealm, it was Outworld. Kahn poisoned Onaga and took over the outworld as his own kingdom.
The elder Gods recognized the one being's handiwork in Shao Kahn's lust for power; they also realized that a God on the side of the One Being could be determental to the saftey of Earthrealm. Just like they did with Shinnok, the Elder Gods stripped Shao Kahn of his Godhood, and set up the mortal kombat tournament, to try to stop his merging of realms."
This lets Kahn fulfill both storyline requirements; God protector of Outworld, and advisor to Onaga (in a different context); it also explains why Kahn isn't a God now (we know he's not a God because he was killed by the Deadly Alliance, thus he is now mortal.)
Thoughts?
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•11/02/2004 03:56 PM (UTC) •
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Well it's interesting - and would explain why Kahn is very powerful. BUT if he was a god, why would he poison Onaga instead of just destroying him?
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 •11/02/2004 04:23 PM (UTC) •
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Interesting, but I say that's bogus.
Shao Kahn wouldn't have needed to poison Onaga to defeat him if what you say was the case. Like I said, an interesting thought, but in the end, it seems more likely that Shao Kahn at that time was below Onaga, then as QuanChi betrayed Shinnok, so did Shao Kahn betray Onaga.
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 •11/02/2004 07:26 PM (UTC) •
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Hmm... maybe The elder Gods stripped Kahn of his powers as soon as they discovered his intentions; thus he had to poison the much more powerful Onaga.
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 •11/02/2004 07:54 PM (UTC) •
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MKT actually tells how MK got started
Actually, the Elder Gods started Mortal Kombat EONS and EONS ago when Chinese monks had dreams of Outworld, and they knew what the dreams meant.
They told the Elder Gods, and so they created Mortal Kombat to give them a chance to defend themselves. They did it so mortals would no longer have to fear, and at the same time they weren't doing anything to wake up The One Being.
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 •11/02/2004 09:29 PM (UTC) •
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I know the MK movies are not quite accurate. But in the MK: Annihilation movie, Shao Kahn was revealed to be Raiden's brother, explaining why he is as powerful as the Thunder god.
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 •11/03/2004 12:54 AM (UTC) •
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PsychoFight Wrote:
MKT actually tells how MK got started
Actually, the Elder Gods started Mortal Kombat EONS and EONS ago when Chinese monks had dreams of Outworld, and they knew what the dreams meant.
They told the Elder Gods, and so they created Mortal Kombat to give them a chance to defend themselves. They did it so mortals would no longer have to fear, and at the same time they weren't doing anything to wake up The One Being.

That doesn't have anything to do with what I said; and the One Being is now officially engrained into every aspect of evil in Mortal Kombat, retroactively. Shao Kahn's entire take over of Earth was inspired by the one being.
I suggest you actually read the new plot information before you start pointing fingers.
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 •11/03/2004 01:21 AM (UTC) •
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is it just me or is MK starting to look like Lord of the Rings?
tarkartan hordes = orcs, orukai
one being = one ring
(evil that influences everything... they even sound similar)
Dragon King = Sauron
(resurrected evil ruler)
Shang Tsung/Quan Chi = Sarumon
(evil sorcerors/wizards that amass an army)
Earth warriors = Fellowship
(people of different origins band together to defeat threat of evil)
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 •11/03/2004 02:55 AM (UTC) •
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molsen81 Wrote:
I know the MK movies are not quite accurate. But in the MK: Annihilation movie, Shao Kahn was revealed to be Raiden's brother, explaining why he is as powerful as the Thunder god.

not canon.
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 •11/03/2004 04:29 AM (UTC) •
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Shao Kahn is brother of Rayden, son of Shinnok
lol ^_^
ah that movie...
Well, to me Onaga is a dragon, just that. His true body is of a dragon in the koffin (see Sindel's end).
Onaga had Kahn as and advisor, just like Shang Tsung to him and Quan Chi to Shinnok.
But what happens is that they defeated their masters in quest of power.
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 •11/03/2004 02:49 PM (UTC) •
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Well what happened in annilation is that is was revealed that Raiden and Shao were brothers, and that they dueled to see who would become a god, because a god would have to be able to defeat even his brother in Mortal Kombat. Raiden won, but was unable to kill his brother. There were both gods, until Shao tried to merge the realms. And since he was the one trying to merge the realms, his consequence was mortality. Etc Etc... Just thought Id let ya all know. :)
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 •11/03/2004 02:56 PM (UTC) •
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Jaybe2K4 Wrote:
is it just me or is MK starting to look like Lord of the Rings?
tarkartan hordes = orcs, orukai
one being = one ring
(evil that influences everything... they even sound similar)
Dragon King = Sauron
(resurrected evil ruler)
Shang Tsung/Quan Chi = Sarumon
(evil sorcerors/wizards that amass an army)
Earth warriors = Fellowship
(people of different origins band together to defeat threat of evil)

LOL, Hey the movies made a Hell of alot of money. Could you Blame Boon for trying?
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 •11/03/2004 08:58 PM (UTC) •
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The people talking backwards in Konquest mode say actual things. One of the things that they say is "Shao Kahn, Lucifer, and Raiden are of the same Race of Beings."
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 •11/04/2004 01:48 AM (UTC) •
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Sub-Zero|Ronin Wrote:
Well what happened in annilation is that is was revealed that Raiden and Shao were brothers, and that they dueled to see who would become a god, because a god would have to be able to defeat even his brother in Mortal Kombat. Raiden won, but was unable to kill his brother. There were both gods, until Shao tried to merge the realms. And since he was the one trying to merge the realms, his consequence was mortality. Etc Etc... Just thought Id let ya all know. :)

::Sigh:: Newbies.
The Mortal Kombat movies aren't canon; not being canon means they're not a part of the official story.
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 •11/04/2004 02:02 AM (UTC) •
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GraveDigger Wrote:
The people talking backwards in Konquest mode say actual things. One of the things that they say is "Shao Kahn, Lucifer, and Raiden are of the same Race of Beings."

I'm really under the impression that each realm has a protector God and a bunch of Minor Gods.
Earthrealm: Raiden
Outworld: Shao Kahn
Netherealm: Lucifer
The other three realms, we don't know, but I think it's safe to say that all 3 are Gods.
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 •11/04/2004 02:07 AM (UTC) •
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Jaybe2K4 Wrote:
is it just me or is MK starting to look like Lord of the Rings?
tarkartan hordes = orcs, orukai
one being = one ring
(evil that influences everything... they even sound similar)
Dragon King = Sauron
(resurrected evil ruler)
Shang Tsung/Quan Chi = Sarumon
(evil sorcerors/wizards that amass an army)
Earth warriors = Fellowship
(people of different origins band together to defeat threat of evil)

yeah exactly.
and I've always seen Raiden as a Gandalf type.
you could go even further:
Froddo= Liu Kang (The Under Dog Hero)
Samwise= Kung Lao (His faithful companion)
Pippen and Merry= Johnny Cage (Liu Kang's comic relief friend)
Aaragorn= Sub-Zero (warrior of a great lineage; biggest Tarkatan killer)
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 •11/04/2004 02:09 AM (UTC) •
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ErmacMk5 Wrote:
Sub-Zero|Ronin Wrote:
Well what happened in annilation is that is was revealed that Raiden and Shao were brothers, and that they dueled to see who would become a god, because a god would have to be able to defeat even his brother in Mortal Kombat. Raiden won, but was unable to kill his brother. There were both gods, until Shao tried to merge the realms. And since he was the one trying to merge the realms, his consequence was mortality. Etc Etc... Just thought Id let ya all know. :)

::Sigh:: Newbies.
The Mortal Kombat movies aren't canon; not being canon means they're not a part of the official story.

Duh, we know this. I was just making sure people knew the perception from the movie to enlighten the topic.
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ErmacMk5
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 •11/04/2004 03:07 AM (UTC) •
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molsen81 Wrote:
ErmacMk5 Wrote:
Sub-Zero|Ronin Wrote:
Well what happened in annilation is that is was revealed that Raiden and Shao were brothers, and that they dueled to see who would become a god, because a god would have to be able to defeat even his brother in Mortal Kombat. Raiden won, but was unable to kill his brother. There were both gods, until Shao tried to merge the realms. And since he was the one trying to merge the realms, his consequence was mortality. Etc Etc... Just thought Id let ya all know. :)

::Sigh:: Newbies.
The Mortal Kombat movies aren't canon; not being canon means they're not a part of the official story.

Duh, we know this. I was just making sure people knew the perception from the movie to enlighten the topic.

Sub-Zero/ Ronin obviously didn't know.
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 •11/04/2004 03:07 AM (UTC) •
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molsen81 Wrote:
ErmacMk5 Wrote:
Sub-Zero|Ronin Wrote:
Well what happened in annilation is that is was revealed that Raiden and Shao were brothers, and that they dueled to see who would become a god, because a god would have to be able to defeat even his brother in Mortal Kombat. Raiden won, but was unable to kill his brother. There were both gods, until Shao tried to merge the realms. And since he was the one trying to merge the realms, his consequence was mortality. Etc Etc... Just thought Id let ya all know. :)

::Sigh:: Newbies.
The Mortal Kombat movies aren't canon; not being canon means they're not a part of the official story.

Duh, we know this. I was just making sure people knew the perception from the movie to enlighten the topic.

Sub-Zero/ Ronin obviously didn't know.
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 •11/04/2004 03:27 AM (UTC) •
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Hmmm....interesting Theory. It certaintly makes a lot of sense. Maybe Shao poisoned Onaga for the hell of it....wanting to have a little fun....he is an evil guy you know....
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 •11/04/2004 06:52 PM (UTC) •
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That is probably one of the best theories I have heard in a while.
Shao Kahns background is truly a mistery. It would be nice to discover more of his origin and power.
Great thread dude!
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 •11/05/2004 01:37 AM (UTC) •
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Shak Kahn was only killed by the DA because he was weak and therefore vulnerabl to death. If Kahn was at normal strength, no mortal can kill him easily as Gods could. Kahn can't be mortal. He is forbidden to take part in the tournament because he ain't mortal.
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