Smoke --discussion-- thread. (A tad lengthy)
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posted07/22/2004 01:48 AM (UTC)by
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krackerjack
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04/12/2003 08:11 AM (UTC)
Alright, so i've almost stopped reading this forum due to the constant repeated pointless threads, when there's other things to discuss. For example: i've seen a shitload of "it's not Smoke, it's noob!" threads and arguments, but i don't recall seeing too many (or any at all) threads about how Smoke is going to "work" in 3d.

Also note that i checked the next few pages to see if there was anything like this hanging around, and i couldn't seem to see one, however if this has already been discussed extensively, provide me a link to the thread, and i'll try to have this one closed as soon as i can.
So now that that's out of the way...

With smoke taking an etherial form now, how is the whole thing going to work? Blood and bodyparts are what concerns me the most.

From the shot we saw of him fighting Baraka, he had red blood. This just doesn't seem to make sense if he is in fact, "smoke". Should his blood have been made a different colour? Should it have been made a liquid? Should he even of been given blood? If he wasn't given blood, would that have looked equally as lame as having red blood?

Personally, i would have liked to see a smoke like liquid as blood. When Smoke would take a blow, his grey transparent "blood" would spill to the floor, then dissapate into the surrounding air a half second or so later.

As for bodyparts...
Well i can't really think of how fatalities could possibly work on a transparent character. What's going to happen when somebody say, pulls an organ from Smoke's chest? Or say somebody has a finishing move where the victim explodes, how would smoke itself, explode? What about chunks of fleash and bones? Can electricity pass through smoke itself?

If i had my way, Smoke's organs/bones ect would also be made of smoke. Grey swirling transparent mist in the usual shape of a bone/organ. At least it would make more sense than a red heart being pulled out of thin air (or should i say thick smoke?). Unfortunately i get the feeling this isn't even close to what we're going to see.

Throws? Same thing again. If in MK:D the fighting styles/martial arts will be more realistic (which i doubt to be honest), and my character is using a martial art that includes a lot of throws/"submissions"/bone breakers ect, how is that going to work when my character grabs smokes arm and "breaks" it, or throws him to the ground by it?

I guess the main question is "how the fuck can somebody hit actual smoke?!" it's completely illogical.

My only explaination for it is this...
Smoke has a similar ability to to what reptile had, in that he can almost make himself invisable. Smoke has invisable skin (so there is actually something to grab, and something to hold him together) and his innards are semi-transparent. Everything inside him is seemingly invisable, but rather than being able to see through him, we see smoke billowing inside, almost like the illusion of smoke, when in fact all his organs ect are there, just invisable in a way. This explains how he can bleed red blood and have red organs/bones, because they're there, just not visable untill the ability is disrupted (just like the classic MK games in which an invisable character became visable again when hit).

Either that or he's just actual smoke floating around while somehow posessing bones that appear from nowhere, wearing clothing, and bleeding red blood...Which i fear is what we're going to get in MK:D.

Anyway if you bothered to read all that, feel free to make comments on how you think Smoke will interact with the surroundings and other characters.

(Note that i don't give a shit whether you think he's Noob, or whether you have "proof" he's not Smoke, because this isn't what the thread is about. If you feel you must, you may read the words "Smoke" and "smoke" as "Noob" and "mist", but please, nobody wants to hear who you think the character is. Go talk that useless shit in another thread.)
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Sub-Zero315
07/20/2004 10:58 PM (UTC)
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that could be true about him being invisible until hit but maybe his actual body is invisible but he's wearing visible clothing and say when they go to rip an organ out during a Fatality when they stick their hand in smoke their hand goes invisible but then comes back out with the organ...just a thought. And thats why he can bleed red blood?confused
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07/20/2004 11:06 PM (UTC)
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i dont think hes invisible hes just transparent.
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malebolgia
07/20/2004 11:13 PM (UTC)
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gunsNroses Wrote:
i dont think hes invisible hes just transparent.

He's NOT transparent...he's translucent. BIG difference.

Transparent= Capable of transmitting light so that objects or images can be seen as if there were no intervening material.

Translucent= Transmitting light but causing sufficient diffusion to prevent perception of distinct images.

The pic of Smoke clearly shows smoke within his body or form. You cannot clearly see through him as if nothing were there at all. Hope this clears things up.
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ETHER
07/21/2004 02:28 AM (UTC)
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Mortal Kombat has never known for being logical. I don't feel the need to give examples.
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krackerjack
07/21/2004 03:07 AM (UTC)
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malebolgia Wrote:

He's NOT transparent...he's translucent. BIG difference.
Transparent= Capable of transmitting light so that objects or images can be seen as if there were no intervening material.
Translucent= Transmitting light but causing sufficient diffusion to prevent perception of distinct images.
The pic of Smoke clearly shows smoke within his body or form. You cannot clearly see through him as if nothing were there at all. Hope this clears things up.


Actually that's true, i kinda screwed up there.
What i ment to say in my original post was translucent, not transparent.
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JustIncredible
07/21/2004 05:19 AM (UTC)
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your forgetting the fact that he was autimated....most organs were removed. i would think he took a ethral smoke formation just to escapes the shell of the robot? in which case he shouldnt be able to be hurt.....i dunno well half 2 wait and see
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07/21/2004 09:04 AM (UTC)
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I'll write my actual post tomorrow, since I really have no time to do this thread justice. Great post, KrackerJack.
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07/21/2004 09:49 AM (UTC)
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Maybe through out the fight he goes from having a “Translucent’ body to a visible body... it could just be an illusion the illusion wears off by the end of the fight and we’ll c that he is still a cyborg w/ some parts missing. It could explain the weird mask he wears...

nice thread krackerjack!!!
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krackerjack
07/21/2004 10:33 AM (UTC)
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danadbab Wrote:
Maybe through out the fight he goes from having a “Translucent’ body to a visible body... it could just be an illusion the illusion wears off by the end of the fight and we’ll c that he is still a cyborg w/ some parts missing. It could explain the weird mask he wears...

nice thread krackerjack!!!


Not a bad theory actually. Perhaps he switches between forms at some point.
Though we were told that he would be neither human nor automated...
I think.
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07/21/2004 10:36 AM (UTC)
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despite the fact that smoke is awesome...those are some very interesting questions you brought up...my question....did raiden's ETHEREAL blast cause this transformation
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krackerjack
07/21/2004 11:04 AM (UTC)
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Detox Wrote:
despite the fact that smoke is awesome...those are some very interesting questions you brought up...my question....did raiden's ETHEREAL blast cause this transformation


That has to be one of the better theories i've read regarding Smoke. Interesting indeed.
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07/22/2004 01:18 AM (UTC)
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Alright, now that I have some time on my hands...

My theory is that it's a stealth tactic, like another user noted above. The way Noob looks like a Shadow because he's clad completely in black armor, Smoke can turn his body into glass like substance, revealing smoke that actually courses through his body(if it's still metal. If he's flesh, that probably couldn't work). Remember guys, as a cyborg, Smoke could turn invisible.

If this isn't the case, then the only explanation for the blood on the ground is that he bleeds red fluid(which signifies he's probably most definitely not a cyborg), but after about half a minute, the red blood vaporizes back into smoke.

All I know is that the Smoke inside him won't be stagnant. It'll be flowing freely inside him, as if his body was a crystal case.
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07/22/2004 01:32 AM (UTC)
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I believe that Smoke is still partially a cyborg, and in an attempt to feel more human he tweaked his programing to make himself trasnlucent. I also believe that he'll re-join the Lin Kuei to help Sub-Zero and to make sure that no one has to go through what him and his Ex-Lin Kuei buddies went through. On a side note i really hope that Sektor is in MK:D. Sektor and his clan against the newly formed Lin Kuei, and in the end Sektor and Smoke could have it out.
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07/22/2004 01:48 AM (UTC)
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BringBackReptile Wrote:
I believe that Smoke is still partially a cyborg, and in an attempt to feel more human he tweaked his programing to make himself trasnlucent. I also believe that he'll re-join the Lin Kuei to help Sub-Zero and to make sure that no one has to go through what him and his Ex-Lin Kuei buddies went through. On a side note i really hope that Sektor is in MK:D. Sektor and his clan against the newly formed Lin Kuei, and in the end Sektor and Smoke could have it out.

Sektor will return in MKD.
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