What happened to Shao Khans soul? - A theory of his possible return
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posted02/10/2004 03:43 AM (UTC)by
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02/10/2003 04:01 PM (UTC)
I was reading the ‘ Shang Tsung’s changing ability’ thread and someone said he should morph into dead characters. This got me thinking of something that had occurred to me before which I asked a friend but he wasn’t sure of the answer. Basically, what happened to Khans soul? Did Shang take it after he and Quan killed him? Or did they let it go free and move on to the afterlife? If Shang absorbed it, it would be nice to see him given a real big power surge from absorbing the Emperor’s soul. He would have even more power than ever then. His morphing abilities would be improved maybe and he may not need to feed on so many souls now in order to stay alive. His knowledge of the dark arts would surely increase also making him an even bigger threat. He could kill Quan and take control of the Dragon Kings army but we know this is not the case given the endings, unless they forgot to mention it.

Or was the soul in the soulnado with all the over souls? If it is, has it been put in the body of one of the soldiers of the Dragon King’s army? If yes, wouldn’t that be potentially dangerous to the Deadly Alliance and Earth if Shao Khans soul were in the body of an undefeatable warrior? But would Shang and Quan be that stupid to overlook this? Can they tell who each soul once belonged to in order to prevent this? If the soul has been placed in one of the soldiers’ bodies, the amulet would make Khan obey whoever held it, but what if they managed to wield his power upon the world? Or what if the amulet was somehow destroyed and Khan came back into being? And of course, since the Dragon Kings army is unbeatable, would Khan be able to be stopped (if he did break free of the amulets control) with this new body since he is in the body of a person that is supposed to be undefeatable?

And what if Khans soul decides to possess a body just like Kang’s did if it is in the soulnado? Again, this would mean Khan is back, but this time under no ones control. In either situation he is more than likely to take revenge on both Shang and Quan and then set about taking the Dragon Kings army for himself and with it destroying Earth, Raiden and the Earth warriors. However if the Dragon King is back, will the King need the amulet to take possession of his army once again?


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02/02/2004 02:17 PM (UTC)
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Kahn had stolen souls and maybe had more than one. I don't think Shang could handle his soul it would have killed him.
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02/02/2004 02:51 PM (UTC)
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I believe Shao Kahn's soul was absorbed by Shang Tsung and that after he was killed by Kung Lao, all of the souls that he absorbed throughout his life were set free, including Kahn's. If it didn't go into the afterlife, it could've went back into his old body, or he could've been reincarnated into another body, or even brought back to life by his shadow priests.
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02/02/2004 04:13 PM (UTC)
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Holy macaroni skittles, with a Sugarcreek topping that excels in the deepest reagents of the eternal fields of the gods, which are twisted and all smell and taste like diet coke. We must extract the eternal souls of our fallen ancestors, so we can fly in the sky without wings, coz we must reach the son coz we need to drink it's fine juices so that we wont be cold ever again. Then we must fly in space with monkish creatures, and learn to cooperate well with them. I'm talking married couple’s people. When we can achieve all this..... we will truly be free and we will all feel free to eat some pizza and some pudding with coconut sprinkles. Yes..........the end is near..... comment on the theory: Hmm...yes...yes very interesting.
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02/02/2004 05:31 PM (UTC)
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born-again-vampire Wrote:
Kahn had stolen souls and maybe had more than one. I don't think Shang could handle his soul it would have killed him.


When Kahn was killed, those other souls may have escaped from his body leaving only his. Shang would probably have left the weaker ones and taken the strongest one. Namely Kahns. Although as you said, he may not have been able to contain his soul. In which case it may have gone with the rest.

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I believe Shao Kahn's soul was absorbed by Shang Tsung and that after he was killed by Kung Lao, all of the souls that he absorbed throughout his life were set free, including Kahn's. If it didn't go into the afterlife, it could've went back into his old body, or he could've been reincarnated into another body, or even brought back to life by his shadow priests.


If Kung Lao does kill Shang, and Shang did take Kahns soul, then what you said could be possible. Although another question is what are Kahns Shadow Priests doing now that he has died? Maybe they are grouping together to launch an attack of their own or something, or as you said, bring Kahn back to life.
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02/03/2004 05:37 PM (UTC)
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Shang Tsung didn't steal Kahn's soul. It could never happen that way. Its the other way around. Even if he tried he wouldn't succeed whether Kahn has one or not.
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02/03/2004 10:46 PM (UTC)
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Subzero_5th Wrote:
Shang Tsung didn't steal Kahn's soul. It could never happen that way. Its the other way around. Even if he tried he wouldn't succeed whether Kahn has one or not.


Why wouldn't he suceed? He's a soul stealer and he should be able to once Kahn was weakened!
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02/04/2004 09:50 PM (UTC)
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tgrant Wrote:


Why wouldn't he suceed? He's a soul stealer and he should be able to once Kahn was weakened!


No. Yea. Shang is a soul stealer. He can still the souls from mortals. But Kahn is a different situation. So he wouldn't try.
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02/04/2004 10:23 PM (UTC)
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Subzero_5th Wrote:
Shang Tsung didn't steal Kahn's soul. It could never happen that way. Its the other way around. Even if he tried he wouldn't succeed whether Kahn has one or not.


Please, not THIS bullshit again.
If Shao Kahn would be dead, I'm pretty sure Shang Tsung could take his soul. What you said really doesn't make any sense. Just like last time you said it.
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02/05/2004 01:36 AM (UTC)
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So if Kung Lao kills Shang Tsung, and sets all the souls free, and Shoa Kahn is one of those, and he comes back to life(like someone said) wouldnt that mean that Lui Kang would be reincarnated as well? I doubt that's what will happen.
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02/05/2004 05:14 AM (UTC)
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You’re pretty sure? How do you know? It is very well within the realm of possibility that for one reason or another Shang could not handle Kahn's soul. You said your self you don't know. You don't know Kahn's origin. He may not be human or anything close to human. Every time he dies he may be re-born else where. His soul may be extremely powerful. The point is we don't know and it is not too extreme to be outside the realm of possibility. This really does negate your post.
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Subzero_5th Wrote:
Shang Tsung didn't steal Kahn's soul. It could never happen that way. Its the other way around. Even if he tried he wouldn't succeed whether Kahn has one or not.

Please, not THIS bullshit again.
If Shao Kahn would be dead, I'm pretty sure Shang Tsung could take his soul. What you said really doesn't make any sense. Just like last time you said it.

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02/05/2004 02:57 PM (UTC)
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He is interesting, he is something in which had not thought. Shang Tsung can absorb human souls... but, also with demons souls? Shao Kahn, like the own Shang Tsung, Sarenna and Reiko, are demons, but they camouflaged it underneath a human aspect. Perhaps Shang Tsung did not have the power or the ability to steal a demon soul, and for that reason did not take off the soul.
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02/05/2004 07:26 PM (UTC)
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Shinomune Wrote:
He is interesting, he is something in which had not thought. Shang Tsung can absorb human souls... but, also with demons souls? Shao Kahn, like the own Shang Tsung, Sarenna and Reiko, are demons, but they camouflaged it underneath a human aspect. Perhaps Shang Tsung did not have the power or the ability to steal a demon soul, and for that reason did not take off the soul.


That's an interesting theory. Shang may not be able to absorb demon souls because Kahn may never have taught him how to. Maybe demons cannot absorb the sould of other demons, but couldn't Quan have done something to Kahns soul to trap it or maybe send it to the Netherealm or something?
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02/05/2004 11:16 PM (UTC)
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Zentile? Don't start nothing with me and there won't be anything. I know what I'm saying. Kahn is a powerful Entity. Either His soul can't be taken or he doesn't have a soul.
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02/05/2004 11:20 PM (UTC)
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Anothe rthing you should take into consideration is that they havne't showed what happened when they sprang their attack. They only showed his helmet fall off with blood stains. That means something. And The guys over at Midway said what I thought it meant: that we havne't seen the last of the great Emperor
Here's an idea! Maybe Shang Tsungs does absorb Shao Kahns but is unable to controll it, and shortly after absorbing it, Shao Kahns soul takes over the body of Shang Tsung.
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02/06/2004 04:16 AM (UTC)
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tgrant Wrote:

Shinomune Wrote:
He is interesting, he is something in which had not thought. Shang Tsung can absorb human souls... but, also with demons souls? Shao Kahn, like the own Shang Tsung, Sarenna and Reiko, are demons, but they camouflaged it underneath a human aspect. Perhaps Shang Tsung did not have the power or the ability to steal a demon soul, and for that reason did not take off the soul.

That's an interesting theory. Shang may not be able to absorb demon souls because Kahn may never have taught him how to. Maybe demons cannot absorb the sould of other demons, but couldn't Quan have done something to Kahns soul to trap it or maybe send it to the Netherealm or something?


Wait, how can Kahn/Khan (however the fuck you spell it) be a demon soul? He was an elder god, correct? He fought against Raiden and lost. All that bullshit and so on and so forth. Interesting theory Tgrant. Gotta give you props man. wink
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02/06/2004 07:32 AM (UTC)
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No you are thinking the MK movies which are seperate story lines. Kahn is not an elder god (to our knowledge) No one knows what he is for sure.
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tgrant Wrote:

Shinomune Wrote:
He is interesting, he is something in which had not thought. Shang Tsung can absorb human souls... but, also with demons souls? Shao Kahn, like the own Shang Tsung, Sarenna and Reiko, are demons, but they camouflaged it underneath a human aspect. Perhaps Shang Tsung did not have the power or the ability to steal a demon soul, and for that reason did not take off the soul.

That's an interesting theory. Shang may not be able to absorb demon souls because Kahn may never have taught him how to. Maybe demons cannot absorb the sould of other demons, but couldn't Quan have done something to Kahns soul to trap it or maybe send it to the Netherealm or something?


Wait, how can Kahn/Khan (however the fuck you spell it) be a demon soul? He was an elder god, correct? He fought against Raiden and lost. All that bullshit and so on and so forth. Interesting theory Tgrant. Gotta give you props man.

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02/06/2004 11:36 AM (UTC)
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ImmortalSpectre Wrote:

tgrant Wrote:

Shinomune Wrote:
He is interesting, he is something in which had not thought. Shang Tsung can absorb human souls... but, also with demons souls? Shao Kahn, like the own Shang Tsung, Sarenna and Reiko, are demons, but they camouflaged it underneath a human aspect. Perhaps Shang Tsung did not have the power or the ability to steal a demon soul, and for that reason did not take off the soul.

That's an interesting theory. Shang may not be able to absorb demon souls because Kahn may never have taught him how to. Maybe demons cannot absorb the sould of other demons, but couldn't Quan have done something to Kahns soul to trap it or maybe send it to the Netherealm or something?


Wait, how can Kahn/Khan (however the fuck you spell it) be a demon soul? He was an elder god, correct? He fought against Raiden and lost. All that bullshit and so on and so forth. Interesting theory Tgrant. Gotta give you props man.


Thanks man. As Born-again-vampire said, Kahn is not an Elder God. You’re confusing the film storyline with the game storyline.

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Here's an idea! Maybe Shang Tsungs does absorb Shao Kahns but is unable to controll it, and shortly after absorbing it, Shao Kahns soul takes over the body of Shang Tsung.



It could happen, but without sufficient evidence, we don’t really know what happened to Kahns soul. Although, Shang being unable to control Kahns could would be interesting. Kahn could remain and take other his body as you said, or escape to possess someone else.


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Zentile? Don't start nothing with me and there won't be anything. I know what I'm saying. Kahn is a powerful Entity. Either His soul can't be taken or he doesn't have a soul.


Kahn must have a soul of some sort. I believe his can be taken just like anyone elses, but his power and his dark abilities make his soul more powerful than most. Which is why Shang may not be able to take or contain it.


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Anothe rthing you should take into consideration is that they havne't showed what happened when they sprang their attack. They only showed his helmet fall off with blood stains. That means something. And The guys over at Midway said what I thought it meant: that we havne't seen the last of the great Emperor


All of that is why I suggested this theory. They only told of the attack and hinted of what may have happened to Kahn afterwards. If the helmet fell off, Shang and Quan must have known it was Kahn for sure as they’ll have seen his face, unless they’d harmed him so badly as the helmet fell off, that they were unable to identify him. Surely Kahn must have been suspicious of both Shang and Quan coming to see him at the same time, especially when before they hadn’t ever gotten on together. Kahn may have left a clone, like Quan did in Baraka’s MKGold ending. If that were the case though, the clone would have disintegrated like Quans did, unless Kahn’s abilities allow him to make exact clones or realistic ones at least. But if that were the case, he’d have created Mileena himself, so that’s highly unlikely. The Reiko is Kahn theory could come into play here but we know Reiko is not Kahn! So I’m sure Shang and Quan did get Kahn, but we need to know what happened exactly and what happened to Kahns soul. Also notice that they showed Shang taking Kang’s soul, but not Kahn’s. That should get you thinking really.


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02/08/2004 06:09 PM (UTC)
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You make a good point but I don't see that happening.
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02/08/2004 10:06 PM (UTC)
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It could happen, it might not. They've left Kahns story open so anything is possible now.
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02/09/2004 03:19 AM (UTC)
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okay heres my idea! the kahn they killed wasn't kahn but an imposter that kahn had actin gand looking like him for safty reasons... kinda like sadam and his look alikes. think this could be the story? i do.. i mean he's a smart person. he has to be inorder to be an emporer. he had an imposter posing as him for safty.
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02/09/2004 05:21 AM (UTC)
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silentassassin Wrote:
okay heres my idea! the kahn they killed wasn't kahn but an imposter that kahn had actin gand looking like him for safty reasons... kinda like sadam and his look alikes. think this could be the story? i do.. i mean he's a smart person. he has to be inorder to be an emporer. he had an imposter posing as him for safty.

Hmmm, Interesting theory. Althought I doubt Khan would be thinking that Chi and Tsung would surprise attack him like they did. So I doubt he would use a double to pose for him.
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02/09/2004 11:02 AM (UTC)
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silentassassin Wrote:
okay heres my idea! the kahn they killed wasn't kahn but an imposter that kahn had actin gand looking like him for safty reasons... kinda like sadam and his look alikes. think this could be the story? i do.. i mean he's a smart person. he has to be inorder to be an emporer. he had an imposter posing as him for safty.


As I said in the post above yours, Kahn may have been suspicious of both Quan and Shang visiting him at the smae time, therefore he may have made a clone or had someone fill in. And Kahn isn't that smart. He's underestimated the forces of Earth too many times.

Now I think about it, what about Reptile? Wouldn't his enhanced sens eof smell (if it is enhanced) have told him that the remaining body was indeed Kahn. Wouldn't he know his own Masters scent? If he does, then he must have checkled the body out before he left. If he did and he confirmed it, then we can be sure Kahn is dead. But given Reptiles state of mind at the time, I doubt it. And also, Kano was there. He must have an account of what Kahn was doing before Shang and Quan arrived.
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02/09/2004 07:27 PM (UTC)
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i think he's still alive cause after all in mortal kombat no one really dies.
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