See, the scary thing is how humanity will be percieved if machines/robots become self aware. You saw the movie and V.I.K.I. took the parameters of her programing to another level once she evolved. Just like in some anime movies when A.I. protects mankind from itself. We think that we programed it so perfectly, but the irony slaps you in the face when mankind can be hypocritical and not see it's own flaws.

A.I. evil? No, just efectively carrying out it's programing... all too well.


GD

But who is behind AI? That's right, humans. If a man creates a robot for the purpose of it killing, then it will have "evil" AI programmed into it. Even if one of the laws of robotics states that a robot cannot kill, there's nothing to stop a madman from making one that does.

The_Purple_Bunny Wrote: But who is behind AI? That's right, humans. If a man creates a robot for the purpose of it killing, then it will have "evil" AI programmed into it. Even if one of the laws of robotics states that a robot cannot kill, there's nothing to stop a madman from making one that does.

To expand on that... or even a brilliant scientist to give a robot the option of choice. What if a robot had to protect it's master by killing someone? What if the robot deemed it the only way to preserve life?


GD

But what is our fear of A.I is that it make us like god and that we our slefs have a fear of being god or is it the fear of something contorling everything. Thank you both had good ideas

TheEvilWithin Wrote: But what is our fear of A.I is that it make us like god and that we our slefs have a fear of being god or is it the fear of something contorling everything. Thank you both had good ideas

I would say that one fear is that A.I. would evolve and eventually, just like what was hypothesized in the movie, want their freedom. It's at the moment of self actualization where it can express desires and emotions. What if they eventually didn't want to service mankind? And what if we still thought of them as robots and not newly formed beings with consciencness(sp?), basically property. They would see mandkinds hyporcacy in your history. With slavery and genocides spanning our long history, they'd come to the conclusion that they deserved to be free like every human has the right from birth to be.

I'd say that mankind would fear A.I. because we would fear the fact that even with technological advences, we would have to aknowledge in A.I.'s eventual wish for freedom that we are still no more closer to utterly and totaly breaking down the walls of predujice than we were in the 1900's. Our innate habits of fear and ignorance would rise and reveal that mankind still has ways to go.


GD

Very good thread TheEvilWithin. All I gotta say is that I hope we don't go too far with robots in the future. A.I. isn't evil, but it could be if we screw up.

A.I. would be, and should be doing what it is told to. But if that being developed consiousness, what would prevent it from going berserk on us? Not morals, that's for sure. A.I?'s opinion of us, would be the determining factor. Like A. Smith said, "humanity is a virus" we can be percaived that way, or another. What would A.I. think of us?

Now how do we use what we know to stop idea of the A.I. that is to perfect dose it need to be stoped, or dose it need to be embraced, do we need an A.I. that in charge of Lights of city the army. What is it that we could trust A.I. with or can we not trust it with any thing

TheEvilWithin Wrote: Now how do we use what we know to stop idea of the A.I. that is to perfect dose it need to be stoped, or dose it need to be embraced, do we need an A.I. that in charge of Lights of city the army. What is it that we could trust A.I. with or can we not trust it with any thing

Well, the concept is already here. Some computer progams have A.I. intelligence intigrated into it's programming. While not nearly as complex as science fiction would allow us to think, it's nevertheless here.

The question of whether or not to embrace it is a good one! It's a matter of trust. Trusting that we do not allow it to do everything for us. Trusting even in ourselves not to misuse it for personal gain. And in the event that it evolves and becomes self aware, trust that it can look at humanity and not see it as a threat. But also important, we would have to trust in ourselves not to let predujice and over rampant fear give A.I. a reason to fear humanity.

Pretty good question that was.


Le Dragon Fantome

nice topic... anyhow, if someone created a robot to be 'evil' and kill, it would be no different from them producing a WMD or any other weapon for that matter... the only scary thing is that these weapons can think... but if you delve deeper into the subject, man has always played God and usually the results are catastrophic... A.I. would just be the next natural progression in a down-ward spiral that will ultimately end in a cataclysmic apocalypse for mankind.

all those Biblical references previously mentioned must make you think: man creates something (robot) that is in conception good, but not beyond corruption and evil, because mankind itself is inherently evil... God created man in his own image, but man fell from grace... does that mean God is in actuality evil?

All the stuff you guys have said seem to be right but what is it that make man what develope A.I. yet makes fear it. Is it our misturst of any thing new or is it some thing deeper all I can say is that we all ways seem to yern for some thing to help us in our daily lives but fear that it we be our down fall.

it is fear of something we cannot control... for the sake of argument, let us say that in the future AI evolves and robots turn into sentient beings that can or cannot be homicidal... robots would be, theoretically, more powerful than people and intelligent... a nuclear warhead used as a weapon is only a tool used by mortal man, but a robot could be a weapon unto itself... a thinking weapon

...and i was extremely high when i wrote half of this shit, haha... most of it is just random rambling... however, i think the majority of fear of robots comes from these very sci-fi movies that show cybernetics and the like to be something to fear... propaganda in a sense... this has been the way with all things... Jaws made people afraid of sharks

Evil good right and wrong are these thing that A.I. can understead, would they follow orders blindily or would they disobay the order when its unlawfull or wrong? Who should be put charge of watching the A.I. and should we use A.I. or should we do thing the old fasion way? All these qustion and more come up when talking of A.I.