Children don't understand why their parents do certain things. Because they don't have children of their own, because they don't have to deal with "grown up" problems like jobs, taxes, adult emotions, etc.

The same thing happens with humanity and God. If you believe in God as an omnipotent, all powerful being, how could you possibly ever comprehend his decisions? He isn't even human, he's in a completely different level. There's no way you could understand what he does, because you're not even close to viewing the world in the same way as he does.

Still, if it helps you, you can try to understand by thinking about it this way. When God doesn't solve your problems for you, he's giving you the freedom to solve them yourself. If you always felt safe because you knew God has your back, would you really be living?

Last but not least, who are you to say who deserves and who doesn't deserve what they're getting in life? You can't see into the future, and you can't see into the past.
Comparing yourself to God is a huge mistake.

EDIT: By the way, how a young individual with access to the internet and uh schools still believes in the bible is beyond me. You realize there was never an actual Adam and Eve and apple and magic snake? We're not being punished for what they did, we're living an imperfect life because we're living beings in the universe, just like every other creature. The God featured in the bible is one of the most cruel supervillains in the history of written fiction, I have no idea how a person can believe in the bible and worship that same God.

Don't forget that there is no such thing as a good person. All humans, even babies, are infected with sin. Suffering and death could be seen as God's disclipline. Punishing us as a parent would punish a child (we are, after all, His children). And a child rarely fully understands why he is being punished. He thinks, "Why are Mom and Dad doing this to me? I didn't do anything wrong. This sucks and I hate them". It is only later in life that the child realises the punishment was delivered out of love, a concern for their safety, or the desire to make them into a better person. God knows what He's doing, and it's unlikely we'll ever truly be able to grasp His motives. At least not until we meet Him in person.

He may also do things like this to test or strengthen our faith. There are countless stories of people turning to Him in times of crisis or tragedy, and finding comfort and grace in His love. The story of Job, of course, being the ultimate example. God may take away, but He damn sure gives back. You just have to let Him.

It is a mistake to think of God as selfish. We are all impure sinners undeserving of anything from Him, yet He gives us the most precious gifts in existence: life, free will, and His unconditional love. And all he asks in return is a little faith. Seems like a bargain to me.

As for why we are paying for Eve's transgression, it's because she was representative of all of us, being the prototype human. God gave her free will and put her to the test, and she failed. From this, God knew that any human would have committed the same crime she did. Her crime belongs to all of us, and we are all guilty. So Eden was taken from us. The price of free will is that paradise must be willingly chosen and then earned.

I wouldn't advise suicide, by the way. God gets disappointed when people toss away His greatest gift like it was garbage.

I'm agnostic. So yeah....

I see the time I spent typing my long post was appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Yeah, our responses don't look quite as meaningful now that the OP is blank.



It's probably worth noting what the subject actually is. For anyone interested, sonicherosfan1's questions essentially boiled down to the big one: Why does God let bad things happen to innocent people?

All things are clear to reason.

If there is a god, it probably exists outside of what we define as reality as there is no scientific way to detect it.

That said. Such a being would have little reason to care about us, or it would know that such pain and suffering is necessary for all species to evolve to its level.

No pain no gain.

either that of God does not exist at all, in which case bad things happen to good people for the same reason bad things happen to everything else.

And there are different levels of reason. Children have "reason", dogs have "reason". Human adults aren't even close to being omnipotent, therefore they couldn't possibly understand what it's like to be a God.

Food for thought-Does a dyslexic agnostic with insomnia stay up all night wondering if there is a dog?

Thread related answer- To justify the opinions and actions of a god are to imply some level of understanding of that god. With the acceptance that such a god would be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, etc, we must accept the fact that these questions cannot be answered on this living plane. Making all answers, and even questions, irrelevant. Things happen because they happen. Questioning and pouting, god or no, wont change the course of nature.

I just dont understand, why i can not close or get my own thread closed? I respect others opinion, I do. But shouldn't it be the same way, and respect that i want my own thread closed? Someone takes what I say on here the wrong way, and I just dont feel like leaving it open. So, out of respect, plz close my own thread.

Admin Edit: You are under no obligation to continue to participate in the conversation. As a community discussion, it must now be respected as open to others.

someone will get around to it.

Gonna have to agree with dib there, he said it better.

I'd go on about the laws of thought and how everything is bounded by reason (even an omnipotent God) but I'd come off as a pretentious jackass.

I think the real question is "What kind of a person would I be without hardship, pain, and suffering in my life?"

I would be Weak, Boring, and probably have a very poor personality. All of the challenge in my life has made me a better, stronger person. Wether you believe in God or not(and Christ is my savior) without out hardship life would be boring and unchallenging.

Really, I am no longer allowed to reply in my own thread, that I created? You know, whoever is the admin doing this, why don't you PM me? If i created a thread of my own, to get answers, and I either get them and decided, hey, there is no longer a reason to keep this thread open. Then, I should be allowed to ask it to be closed.

I dont think its right for someone to keep trying to have my thread open. If you want to talk about it, make your own, seriously. Grow up and respect that I want my thread closed. and stop changing the title.

This isn't going to solve the issue either, you could have just messaged one of the mods, whether or not you know who's keeping this thread open. You're entitled to respond in this thread, no one said you're not allowed, it's a choice you have that you can either continue contributing or not. But getting so defensive about this isn't going to make you look like the better person.

Even if the issue isn't that big of a deal to begin with. Just either deal with users ho want to continue talking about, whatever it is this thread is about, or just ignore it.

About the thread itself, bad things happen to good people. You can be the sweetest person and you'll probably have something bad happen. There's a lot of people who don't need the bad things after all the good deeds they've done, but we can't avoid sin, we can't avoid the bad, fate isn't always in our hands. Other people can change our fates whether or not it's something we need to face or need. We can't hide from the bad, but just make your life worth living and that's all you can do. Hide from sin, you're not going to live a great life whatsoever. Enjoy what you have, understand that sadness and hate will follow, even if we don't want it.

"You are under no obligation to" does not mean "You are no longer allowed to". Threads that have no reason to be closed will remain open to allow for further discussion, despite the demands of a single user. It's a community discussion, and you don't need to keep posting in the thread if you don't want to.

Keep in mind that editing an admin edit is against the rules. If you have any issues, please PM a mod rather than continuing it here.

Yeah but, changing my title from completely different than what I had it, is kinda messed up and misleading to what I wanted to talk about in the first place. It is has if, someone just took my thread on their own and changed it to what they wanted to talk about.


Cause i have no problem with god and i am offended right now, that someone changed it to that title.