Defining Humanity--A Bit of Useless Philosophy
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posted04/30/2004 10:29 AM (UTC)by
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02/09/2003 04:46 PM (UTC)
First off, I'd like to say that you can't define humanity.

It's one of those things that seems like such an incredibly simple task that absolutely no person is able to do it.

I suppose that we could always return to the barest of infallible principles: humanity is simply the act of being alive and a member of the
race Homo sapiens. The art of thought and reason comes into play nowhere here, and it is for this fact and this fact only that this is the only way
to define humanity--because after this point, no two members of our infamous race are alike.

Now, there are majorities and there are those with power who shape these majorities but there are not true principles that can be applied to owning a working human brain. Because we are the only known race capable of defining truth, we have no means to define it except for in comparison with other definitions of it, nullifying the concept completely. If there
is no truth, there can be no justice, there can be no certainty, there can be no order, because without the simple thing of truth it is mpossible to get an actual point across.

Without certainty or truth we cannot have communication because everything a person could say is entirely incorrect due to the fact that there is no one overbearingly intelligent enough to verify it.

Of course as with every principle it can just as easily be reversed to prove the exact opposite: if it is wholly impossible to be correct, then
it is equally impossible to be incorrect.

This is why every human is infinitely powerful because he or she has the unalienable and undenyable ability to force himself or herself upon another since there is no person truly qualified to prove him or her wrong, but cripplingly powerless because they themselves don't have the ability to prove themselves correct, and ultimately, that they really
exist at all.

Of course, as with all things, global society has moved completely away from such undeniable principles. This would be obvious and canon if we
were not indeed physical beings, bound by animalistic instinct and incapable, try as we may, to understand the ultimate laws of the universe. In essence we are not creatures of mind but creatures of instinct, which, ironically, brings us right back to where we started: that humans are but members of the race Homo sapiens, and therefore only able to be defined as animals and nothing else, ergo we are completely contradictory to the laws of the universe.

This is because the universe can only truly be examined when one is not a part of it. When you equate the self into understanding the philosophical and phisiological theorems of existence itself, we are always distracted by our individual need. We constantly attempt to apply the rules of obilivion to ourselves, which is just plain silly because we aren’t the center and the chief working part of this universe, but merely an anomaly, a malfunction that simply does not equate.

Heh...go figure.
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ShingoEX
04/28/2004 12:45 AM (UTC)
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Humanity is defined as a species that has the potential to be wiser than the primitive ape, yet chooses not to.
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04/28/2004 01:42 AM (UTC)
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Ditto.


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ShingoEX Wrote:
Humanity is defined as a species that has the potential to be wiser than the primitive ape, yet chooses not to.

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04/28/2004 11:39 AM (UTC)
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There's a simplistic way and a complex way which entails many other branches of the same spectrum. I have no doubt that someone on the planet today comprehends all of these factors, and frankly it seems arrogant to think that anyone "knows" anything about philosophy since philosophy is about theories and ponderings.
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04/28/2004 12:30 PM (UTC)
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you_suck Wrote:
This is why every human is infinitely powerful because he or she has the unalienable and undenyable ability to force himself or herself upon another since there is no person truly qualified to prove him or her wrong, but cripplingly powerless because they themselves don't have the ability to prove themselves correct, and ultimately, that they really
exist at all.


I don't think any given human being is infinitely powerful. I am more powerful than many of my family members. But the Belgian prime minister is more powerful than me. Vladimir Putin is more powerful than the Belgian prime minister. And Dubya is even more powerful than Putin.

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04/28/2004 09:16 PM (UTC)
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VainQueur Wrote:

you_suck Wrote:
This is why every human is infinitely powerful because he or she has the unalienable and undenyable ability to force himself or herself upon another since there is no person truly qualified to prove him or her wrong, but cripplingly powerless because they themselves don't have the ability to prove themselves correct, and ultimately, that they really
exist at all.


I don't think any given human being is infinitely powerful. I am more powerful than many of my family members. But the Belgian prime minister is more powerful than me. Vladimir Putin is more powerful than the Belgian prime minister. And Dubya is even more powerful than Putin.

Cheers,
VQ


True. But thought out well enough, technically there is nothing stopping you from taking a gun and shooting all three of them.
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04/29/2004 10:05 AM (UTC)
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Correct. However, it's going to be a lot more difficult for me to blast the Belgian pm into oblivion than the other way around - he could have people doing it for him ;).

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"As soon as someone is identified as an unsung hero, he no longer is"

04/29/2004 11:08 AM (UTC)
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Apathetic arse.
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you_suck
04/29/2004 11:45 PM (UTC)
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DanteThePoetic Wrote:
Apathetic arse.


If nothing is permanent and no person will ever be sated, what is wrong with apathy?
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04/29/2004 11:56 PM (UTC)
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I once read a nice quote with regards to apathy:

"Do not fear your enemies. The worst they can do, is kill you. Do not fear your friends. The worst they can do, is betray you and then kill you. But fear the silent masses, by whose consent the betraying and killing happens."

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04/30/2004 03:08 AM (UTC)
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you_suck Wrote:
Now, there are majorities and there are those with power who shape these majorities


Now with this and van quer's quote, dubya does have more power b/c he can (hypothetically) control the masses. Thus, by defenition, control of the masses is power.

et tu brute?

Brutus has the ability to kill Caesar, like anyone else, but he couldnt control the masses. Antony could control the masses, thus he has more power.
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04/30/2004 04:54 AM (UTC)
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blaze_rocks Wrote:
et tu brute?

Brutus has the ability to kill Caesar, like anyone else, but he couldnt control the masses. Antony could control the masses, thus he has more power.


They're both completely powerless. Why? Let me count the ways...

First off, Rome is dead, and has been for a good milennium or two. Neither Antony nor Brutus has any power anymore because they are both particularly dead, and all which they have created turned to dust.

Secondly...one could, I suppose, take into consideration that what those men did (particularly Brutus, who for the most part created the Roman Empire from the Republic) and say that they formed how Rome was and essentially how the world is today. Even if that proved the point that they had power over all others, or at least many (to use the principle that an action always has a reaction that shapes the future in undeterminable ways again proves that every person has the infinite power to shape the future), you must think in perspective. Let's say what they did forged the past 1,000 years to be the way it was. The Earth itself is billions of years old, and Earth is just one planet of a medium-sized star in a medium-sized galaxy in a presumably infinite universe. How much impact do you think they made?

And besides, I didn't say that everyone WAS powerful...I said everyone had power. Power is useless unless you use it, and since my theory I created is that since no person can be verifiably right or wrong, he has all the power (or at least the opportunity) to become like Brutus or Dubya. But, considering that nothing he would say or do would have any feasible credibility, he's always helpless in the end.
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04/30/2004 10:20 AM (UTC)
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So dead people are powerless?

Adolf Hitler is a dead person, but far from powerless. His twisted ideals continue to inspire people to this day...

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04/30/2004 10:29 AM (UTC)
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If anyone has seen the movie the last supper, it talks about what would happen if you met hitler in a bar and if you would kill him or talk him out of the whole killing of millions of people thing. (when hiler was young, probably at an austrian of german bar)

Be it as it may, you suck youve made a good point. I really thought this new mellenium would bring an era of hope and optemism unmatched. Instead we find ourselves (ourselves) in brutal mortal kombat, very animal like insticts, and we havent been a year into the mileenium (2001) I really wanna see where this whole thing is going to take us (Im not criticizing anyone, believe me)
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