Down Load Content vs Disc Locked Content
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posted03/08/2012 08:36 AM (UTC)by
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This whole debate has me mind boggled.

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/mar/05/capcom-explains-why-street-fighter-x-tekkens-12-dlc-characters-were-disc/

Down Load Content would stand strong here... because you are actually buying something extra for your game that an't on the disc. So despite compatibility issues with other ppl that don't have it.
Maybe this could be a positive way to encourage someone to follow the trend and go out there way to purchase it.

The down side to DLC... From what i was told was pretty much lagg issues.

Take MK9 for example. I heard some people saying that the DLC characters would lagg the match.. thats not really true. I fought as freddy in one match and it ran okay... the network for ps3 just plain sucks. I'm convinced that DLC doesn't slow done online much at all.
I fought with regular mk9 characters and had laggy matches. So it has to be sony's weak network.
Maybe Sony's Weak Network was the drive for Disc Locked Content? o.O

Disc Locked Content, what can we say about it... we're not happy about it... who likes to purchase something that can't be accessed without paying more for it?
The only reason Capcom did this was because of the network speed, easy transition and compatibility with those dont have it unlocked yet.

So whats your thoughts on this?

Should Disc Locked Content be encouraged or discouraged?

Is Download Content better?
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Ninja_Mime
03/06/2012 12:28 AM (UTC)
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Any content that is completed before the game is released should be included in the full game or available as free Day 1 DLC. Collector's Edition and retailer exclusives should be physical items or cosmetic in-game items (Such as character skins) only.

There needs to be regulations on this shit.
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03/06/2012 12:40 AM (UTC)
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I am adamantly against the idea of locked on disk content. i feel any content that is finished and on the game disk when it ships should be considered part of the game. There is almost no reason to lock the content but to screw the customer and gamer over for profit for them.

I think the reason why game companies are doing it is more to save on download bandwidth and fewer technical problems. It's much easier for them to just offer a download key/code that unlocks the content that has already been integrated into the game but is just locked out, rather than have to transfer game code, textures, etc and then integrate that code into the existing game for the dlc to work. Its still not acceptable regardless IMO.

I think really the only way I could justify paying for locked on disk DLC is if it was exclusive or LE content similar to the Star War characters from Soul Calibur 4. At least this way you know its limited and only certain amount of people have access to it, or it was a times console exclusive.

I feel the whole industry is headed for a big backlash from consumers in the coming years. With the way Capcom and the Japanese developers seem to be nickel and diming gamers on content, to the supposed rumors of the next Xbox locking out used game disks. Even Western developers like Epic who said they where always for free content for the community and are now charging ridiculous amounts for stupid weapon skins. I feel its just getting out of control and gamers are going to get fed up at some point and not support them anymore.

[edit]: To be honest I decided to give Capcom another try with Street Fighter X Tekken and the recent BS with the on disk characters has me fed up. I'm not giving Capcom another cent of my money for any other game after Street Fighter x Tekken, and they are very luck I'm not canceling pre-order out right and buying Soul Calibur 5 instead. Whatever content I get on disk with Street fighter x Tekken is all I'm settling for. I'm not paying for anything else. I'm am done with Capcom after this.
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jadeinchains
03/06/2012 12:49 AM (UTC)
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On disc locked content and DLC as a whole is the thing i hate the most out of this generation. If they ever stop doing it (which i doubt they will) i'd be pleased.
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03/06/2012 01:02 AM (UTC)
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I love DLC such as Mess Effect 2's Lair of The Shadow Broker which had to be downloaded and installed onto the HDD. What Capcom does is just ridiculous.

They cram goodies onto the disk and charge us for it later. Does that sound even remotely fair? Alts in SFIV were this way and I can't wrap my head around why they'd go into such evil practices.

I've been silently protesting their ways by not buying DLC for their games (starting with SSFIV) and outright not buying their games at all.

MvC3 went unpurchased as will SFxT and as much as I'd love to buy it, DmC won't be getting my money either. There's no telling what they'll force Ninja Theory to hide from us!

Full disclosure: I will, however, be purchasing Resident Evil 6 because as much as I hate what they've done, I'm still a die hard Resi fan.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy it used though. Heh! *middle fingers Capcom*
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(Erik)
03/06/2012 01:32 AM (UTC)
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I like disc locked content, because I like additional content in my video games. If I didn't want the extra content, I wouldn't buy it. Just because I bought a video game, it doesn't mean I feel like the developers owe me everything on the disc if it was designed being "bonus" content. However, I will say that a game that has too much DLC to me seems incomplete, and like I am not getting the whole package, and therefore my opinion of the game suffers.
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GodlyShinnok
03/06/2012 02:01 AM (UTC)
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Sony doesn't have a weak network, MK9's online suck.

As for the DLC both are the same, DLC is DLC wether they decide to finish it later or lock it on disc. They plan it ahead so it's not like the disc locked content would have been available if the DLC was not on the disc.

It's on disc? Big deal, they could've left it out and you would have never noticed it was completed already.

Besides, a game should not feel incomplete because of DLC, you can see for yourself if you like the game, if it felt complete or if it lacked something. The only thing this disc locked content make people think is how more complete it could've been with the content already available, which makes them angry because they feel the game is incomplete.

DLC was made for companies to gain more money from games, plain and simple. It is a terrible concept, I can't think of anything good coming from it, but I had to get used to it since it's not going away anytime soon.
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Garlador
03/06/2012 03:39 AM (UTC)
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I wrote Capcom up to the Better Business Bureau for false advertising and dishonest business practices.

File a complaint

The thing is, their official statement STILL calls this on-disc content as "downloadable content" when you don't, in fact, download a single damn thing. It's all on the disc. Hackers right now are playing as Elena and Dudley and others without having to get a single bit of data from Capcom to do so. It is an outright LIE to say that you are downloading new characters.

Secondly, it's just unethical and dishonest. It lacks any form of disclosure from the company and the consumer. When you buy your disc, at no point are you informed that you only get to play with 60% of it and the other 30% is arbitrarily locked. That information is kept from you. It becomes a hidden fee.

I watched the entire thing unfold at Capcom-Unity. Their official responses were lies after lies.
"There are only a few files on the discs. Nothing major." - Character models are posted.
"Those are just unfinished, untextured models." - Characters with textures posted.
"Those are just character models. They don't have endings or anything." - Endings posted.
"Those endings don't have sound! They're unfinished!" - Sound files located and posted.
"The characters aren't complete yet." - Fully playable versions of all characters are posted.

... That's the OFFICIAL RESPONSE. Not Capcom defenders. That's Capcom outright, boldfaced LYING to customers about what they just spent their $60+ on.

So I wrote them up. I filed a formal complaint with the BBB. I hope others do as well.

On-disc content is ALREADY terrible; but to have a company treat its fans with such disrespect and to violate any trust with them... that's where the Better Business Bureau steps in. And I'm going to give Capcom hell for it.

I still think integrity is worth a damn, even if they don't.
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03/06/2012 03:45 AM (UTC)
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GodlyShinnok Wrote:
Besides, a game should not feel incomplete because of DLC, you can see for yourself if you like the game, if it felt complete or if it lacked something. The only thing this disc locked content make people think is how more complete it could've been with the content already available, which makes them angry because they feel the game is incomplete.


While the game may technically not be incomplete, it's naive to think that game companies giving you your moneys worth on content now-a-days. What ever happened to the good old days where you actually had to unlock content in games. Now if you want stuff like alternate costumes, new characters, missions, map packs, game modes, etc companies expect you to pay extra for them. They give you a mediocre amount to try and trick the consumer into thinking they are getting a good deal on content when the game launches. If the content is 100% done there is absolutely no reason for it to be hidden away and locked on a game disk.

"Ow they finished the content early that was "supposed to be DLC" and rather than release it as DLC they decided to pack it onto the game to make it easier on them later on"

Also here is Capcom's BS response to the hidden characters on Street Fighter x Tekken: Crapcom's BS Excuse on Street fighter x Tekken.

Apparently these characters are the "Ultimate update" for consoles that will be release in 6 months when the PS Vita version ships in the fall.
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jadeinchains
03/06/2012 03:36 PM (UTC)
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J-spit Wrote:
I love DLC such as Mess Effect 2's Lair of The Shadow Broker which had to be downloaded and installed onto the HDD. What Capcom does is just ridiculous.

They cram goodies onto the disk and charge us for it later. Does that sound even remotely fair? Alts in SFIV were this way and I can't wrap my head around why they'd go into such evil practices.

I've been silently protesting their ways by not buying DLC for their games (starting with SSFIV) and outright not buying their games at all.

MvC3 went unpurchased as will SFxT and as much as I'd love to buy it, DmC won't be getting my money either. There's no telling what they'll force Ninja Theory to hide from us!

Full disclosure: I will, however, be purchasing Resident Evil 6 because as much as I hate what they've done, I'm still a die hard Resi fan.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy it used though. Heh! *middle fingers Capcom*


Yeah even if i do hate Capcom i'll still be getting RE6 i've played every game in the series ... can't stop now can i?!?
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03/06/2012 04:35 PM (UTC)
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03/06/2012 04:55 PM (UTC)
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I don't mind the idea of DLC, but on-disc DLC is crazy.

I also wish DLC was something that was released extra, much later in the game's lifespan. A way for companies to renew interest in an old title.

For example, if Nintendo (yes, I know they don't have DLC on the Wii. I'm just making a point) were to now release a few extra Smash Bros. characters for DLC, 4 years into the game's life, I wouldn't feel cheated. It would feel like a bonus, which is exactly what DLC is supposed to be. It would renew many gamer's interest in the series, and potentially hype up the next installment in the series, as well as generate a few extra bucks in Nintendo's pockets. I wouldn't feel like I've been cheated out of a superior game for four years.
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03/06/2012 04:57 PM (UTC)
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That's true. I would rather DLC be something used to extend a game's life. But when it releases simultaneously with the game, I feel cheated. Like that content could have just been released with the game if the developers really wanted it to be. However, I understand how it makes sense from a cost perspective to create DLC simultaneously while the game is in its original development.
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03/06/2012 05:20 PM (UTC)
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torchia Wrote:
I don't mind the idea of DLC, but on-disc DLC is crazy.

I also wish DLC was something that was released extra, much later in the game's lifespan. A way for companies to renew interest in an old title.

For example, if Nintendo (yes, I know they don't have DLC on the Wii. I'm just making a point) were to now release a few extra Smash Bros. characters for DLC, 4 years into the game's life, I wouldn't feel cheated. It would feel like a bonus, which is exactly what DLC is supposed to be. It would renew many gamer's interest in the series, and potentially hype up the next installment in the series, as well as generate a few extra bucks in Nintendo's pockets. I wouldn't feel like I've been cheated out of a superior game for four years.


My thoughts exactly.

Stuff like alternate costumes are thought up concurrently with the development of the game. When I think DLC I think of content that was thought up after a game was finished and shipped, not while it was still being developed.
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03/06/2012 11:06 PM (UTC)
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I remember that video... lol he speaks the truth
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