yeah.. my reason not to register to vote.. who cares.. it wont matter anyways

There are far too many stupid people to vote, Im all for electoral college.

Fuck the popular vote.

I suppose these people like Quirk dont enjoy living in a Democracy.

The candidate who wins the popular vote in each state, wins that states Electoral Vote. So yes, you're votes matter very much.

If Kerry wins the popular vote in Cali, he gets all the Cali electoral votes, so your vote is important Alpha.

It is possible to win the popular vote and lose the election, and that's cause you could win a bunch of states with small electoral votes, but your opponent could win the major states which have more electoral votes.

Who's stupid? the people who don't vote for who you vote for?

It's a stupid system, but we should still use it. It may have had more barings 100 years ago...but not today.

Quite frankly I'm more worried about the fuckin electronic voting machines
Anyone who hasn't checked into them taking away our votes with those machines should read up.

blade-tsung Wrote: The candidate who wins the popular vote in each state, wins that states Electoral Vote. So yes, you're votes matter very much. If Kerry wins the popular vote in Cali, he gets all the Cali electoral votes, so your vote is important Alpha. It is possible to win the popular vote and lose the election, and that's cause you could win a bunch of states with small electoral votes, but your opponent could win the major states which have more electoral votes.

blade-tsung Wrote: The candidate who wins the popular vote in each state, wins that states Electoral Vote. So yes, you're votes matter very much. If Kerry wins the popular vote in Cali, he gets all the Cali electoral votes, so your vote is important Alpha. It is possible to win the popular vote and lose the election, and that's cause you could win a bunch of states with small electoral votes, but your opponent could win the major states which have more electoral votes.

Actually, it is not state-wide. Each state is divided up into different Electoral disctricts, with an Elector in each district, who has one vote. That elector is obligated to place his vote for whatever the majority of people in his district vote for. But let's say you live in a district where Democrats get 51%, and Republicans 49%.

Despite nearly half voting for the Republican party, that disctrict's one and only vote that matters, it's electoral vote, will go to the Democratic candidate. And those 49% who voted Republican, well their vote simply mattered nothing.

This type of system, imo, discourages political activity from minority party members in certain places. Here in Texas, which is a strong majority Republican, it is a waste of time for Democrats to even vote. Same thing for Republicans in New York, or California.

If we eliminated the Electoral College, then opposition parties could have better chances, and more people would be encouraged to participate in the political process. I don't see why the one-man , one vote concept is so hard to grasp.

Personally I do not think we should even base the Presidential election on a state-by-state basis. The electoral college served it's purpose in the 18th and 19th centuries, when states were more like their own little countries, the economy wasn't that integrated, and so on. But it seems outdated in the 21st century. All of the states are pretty integrated.

Under the current system, it seems to matter more what states wany then the people on an individual level. Isn't Democracy supposed to be one man, one vote? Isn't it about every individual having the power to make their voice heard? It sounds like under the Electoral College only states are heard, not people.

I think the problem with the electoral college is it doesn't accurately represent the people of the states. For example, a vote in Wyoming is worth three times as much as a vote in California. Also as Blade-Tsung said, the electoral vote doesn't represent the proportion by which candidates win.

And it's pretty senseless not to vote because your vote doesn't count. I know my vote won't make a real difference, but I'm voting anyway because I feel it's my duty as a citizen to have my opinion counted. What if everyone decided not to vote because they thought their vote didn't count? It defeats the purpose of democracy.