"Nature or Nurture"
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posted03/30/2004 08:16 AM (UTC)by
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"Tis true my form is something odd, But blaming me is blaming God. Could I create myself anew, I would not fail in pleasing you. If I could reach from pole to pole, Or grasp the ocean with a span, I would be measured by the soul, The mind's the standard of the man."
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A 8 year old boy who as been listening to the classical works of Bach, Chopin, and Mozart is considered exceptionally bright and intuitive when he sits down at a piano and precedes to play each note of one of their works perfectly. Of course his parents enroll him in classes so he can cultivate his talent, if they haven't do so years earlier. Subsequently, years later that very same boy is now an adult who is now considered a great pianist and performs in solo concerts all over the world.

Some would say that he was born with his talents, thus coming down in the side of 'nature' in being the factor of his musical ability. While others, would attribute his skills to the time and effort his put into cultivating his skills with a tutor. They are the ones who would favor the 'nurture' position.

Now considering there are many of us here how have our own individual talents, looking at yourselves an addition to considering the entire debate; do you believe that overall talent in people and even yourselves can be attributed to 'nature' or 'nurture'?

Since there are exceptional artists who post their work on the MK Fan Art Board in addition to others who are musicians, martial artists, writer, poets, etc., it would be interesting to have your thoughts on this question.

Now speaking for myself, I would say that 'nature' or that innate and, raw talent, and ability that one is born with is a contributing factor in someone’s overall skill once they become an adult. I however, feel that it's not the contributing factor. It's true that one can have the 'tools' if you will to eventually become great in his/her own way, but without building upon that exceptional natural gift that you were born with, all that one can be is as good as their promise. The promise of someone’s talent is why (at least as I see it) teachers and tutors who notice those who have such potential encourage children to study harder and to keep up on their skills.

The "High Level Gamepaly" thread on the MK:DA board is a good example to use. There's so many pages of people posting opinions, advice, faqs, combos, juggles, and whatever to share with the rest of us. It is those who test each combo to see if every hit actually connects clean and use their friends as guinea pigs and sacrificial lambs to test each others information who benefitted and still benefits from the thread.

It was satisfying to both read and post opinions of tactics and advice there. I also have to at least to admit that the constant study of basically every opinion there helped me to become a better player. Even though I had opinions of my own concerning certain characters, I knew that others were just as important and informative. Which is why my homies really don't want to play against me any more. grin

But on to something more innate, I've been drawing ever since I was little 5 year old Ghost Dragon. glasses There wasn't a piece of paper that didn't have my signature on it. My teachers even said I did more drawing than studying, and.... it was true. wink But I don't think that even with my potential I'd be the kind of artist and graphic artist that I am without constantly having art teachers push me to improve on everything that I did from shading to understanding composition.

C'est tout! Je suis fini. Alors, ques cue tu pense?

Entre le Sinistre. *sinister smile*

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03/28/2004 06:54 PM (UTC)
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Talent, as with most tendencies, most likes and dislikes, and a great deal of psychological problems, stems from both. A person a has different genetic tendencies to see things one way or to see them another, and placing a person with one genetic tendency in the same situation as another with different tendencies, odds are they will probably end up with differing results.

I do, think, however, that nurturing plays a greater role in who a person is and will become, and I also thing that most tendencies brought on by nurturing come on at a very young age and by nearly everything surrounding them.

For instance...two identical twins, both with genetic tendencies to have weight problems and possibly obesity, are separated at birth. The first girl will grow in an environment where she is still lauded regardless of her weight and is always told that she is beautiful. She will grow to believe it and, if these feelings are impressed enough, she will probably grow to be a more outspoken, outgoing, extroverted woman than her sister, who was surrounded by negative messages about her weight.
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AGriffin
03/29/2004 12:40 AM (UTC)
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It's usually a mixture of both.
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ShingoEX
03/29/2004 12:49 AM (UTC)
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You're born with talent. Skill is taught to bring these talents out...
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NeoScorpion
03/29/2004 12:59 AM (UTC)
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Alright!! Shingos own with the power!

but I do agree with what he said an ability is to be honed in the form of practice in order to develop an adequate skill... Take athletics for example, not everyone can run a 5 minute mile (or a mile at all) but with the right practice you have Jessie Owens.

You get out of practice the effort you put into it...
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03/29/2004 02:33 AM (UTC)
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you_suck Wrote:
For instance...two identical twins, both with genetic tendencies to have weight problems and possibly obesity, are separated at birth. The first girl will grow in an environment where she is still lauded regardless of her weight and is always told that she is beautiful. She will grow to believe it and, if these feelings are impressed enough, she will probably grow to be a more outspoken, outgoing, extroverted woman than her sister, who was surrounded by negative messages about her weight.



wow, you sound like freud!
umm...im not sure how to reply, but i will show my psych teacer what you wrote and see what she thinks.
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'man how the fuck you get a scar from eatin pussy?'
'I was in a fight man.' 'And he gave that to you?'
'man you should see what i did to the other guy.'
03/29/2004 02:37 AM (UTC)
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NeoScorpion Wrote:
Alright!! Shingos own with the power!

but I do agree with what he said an ability is to be honed in the form of practice in order to develop an adequate skill... Take athletics for example, not everyone can run a 5 minute mile (or a mile at all) but with the right practice you have Jessie Owens.

You get out of practice the effort you put into it...


are you saying that ANYONE can run a five minute mile? if you are i dont agree with that. certain ppl can never run like that because of genetic dispositions.

btw, how do you get to quotes in one reply? just copy paste? or is there another way?
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"Tis true my form is something odd, But blaming me is blaming God. Could I create myself anew, I would not fail in pleasing you. If I could reach from pole to pole, Or grasp the ocean with a span, I would be measured by the soul, The mind's the standard of the man."
-Isaac Watts
03/29/2004 03:30 AM (UTC)
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blaze_rocks Wrote:

you_suck Wrote:
For instance...two identical twins, both with genetic tendencies to have weight problems and possibly obesity, are separated at birth. The first girl will grow in an environment where she is still lauded regardless of her weight and is always told that she is beautiful. She will grow to believe it and, if these feelings are impressed enough, she will probably grow to be a more outspoken, outgoing, extroverted woman than her sister, who was surrounded by negative messages about her weight.



wow, you sound like freud!
umm...im not sure how to reply, but i will show my psych teacer what you wrote and see what she thinks.


Hmmmmmmm... it seems that he has been studying psychology.

In the instance he stated about the one sister more extroverted than the other, it is a good example of how environment can contribute to the well being of a persons state of mind. It would indicate that she has prospered through her own period of identity achievement.

It would also speak of how she came to see herself through her years as a teen through identity formation. It's true that positive stimuli from her peers can offer her a better chance of becoming extroverted in her adult life, however without dealing with the trials and tribulations during adolescence she may not fully become the extroverted individual. If she were to have difficulty during this time period, then she may have difficulty formulating a positive identity for herself which can serve as the foundation for building a positive interpretation of herself. This of which can lead to varying avenues of personal and psychological issues that can lead to hidden depression and drug abuse. here seeking trained help whould be an option.

Intersting postings so far. wink

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Jahirocornboy22
03/29/2004 03:40 AM (UTC)
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ShingoEX Wrote:
You're born with talent. Skill is taught to bring these talents out...


Agreed.
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MKSECRETS
03/29/2004 05:16 AM (UTC)
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ShingoEX Wrote:
You're born with talent. Skill is taught to bring these talents out...


Thread (should be) closed due to the fact that the question was answered perfectly.
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Hyuga
03/29/2004 05:18 AM (UTC)
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Some of us lucky people are born with these skills, as well wink
ShingoEX Wrote:
You're born with talent. Skill is taught to bring these talents out...

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"Tis true my form is something odd, But blaming me is blaming God. Could I create myself anew, I would not fail in pleasing you. If I could reach from pole to pole, Or grasp the ocean with a span, I would be measured by the soul, The mind's the standard of the man."
-Isaac Watts
03/29/2004 05:36 AM (UTC)
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MKSECRETS Wrote:

ShingoEX Wrote:
You're born with talent. Skill is taught to bring these talents out...

Thread (should be) closed due to the fact that the question was answered perfectly.


As true as ShingoEx's definitions of nature and nurture are dead on the money in my opinion, the question is not meant to arrive at decernable answer nor is there one in the "Nature vs. Nurture" debate that exists within psychology. Although there are mainly logical conclusions and opinions that many can offer, there is no 'one' true answer when this debate still exists.

I'm only illiciting opinions from everyone on the subject. wink

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"Tis true my form is something odd, But blaming me is blaming God. Could I create myself anew, I would not fail in pleasing you. If I could reach from pole to pole, Or grasp the ocean with a span, I would be measured by the soul, The mind's the standard of the man."
-Isaac Watts
03/30/2004 08:16 AM (UTC)
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Here's an excerpt from a two page article (October 2003) I've been reading for several days that has interesting insight on this subject.

Are We Really Born That Way?

You got your green eyes from your mother, and your freckles from your father. But where did you get your thrill-seeking personality and talent for singing? Did you learn these from your parents or was it predetermined by your genes? While it's clear that physical characteristics are hereditary, the genetic waters get a bit more murky when it comes to an individual's behavior, intelligence, and personality. Ultimately, the old argument of nature vs. nurture has never really been won. We do not yet know how much of what we are is determined by our DNA and how much by our life experience. But we do know that both play a part.

What is Nature vs Nurture?

It has been reported that the use of the terms "nature" and "nurture" as a convenient catch-phrase for the roles of heredity and environment in human development can be traced back to 13th century France. Some scientists think that people behave as they do according to genetic predispositions or even "animal instincts." This is known as the "nature" theory of human behavior. Other scientists believe that people think and behave in certain ways because they are taught to do so. This is known as the "nurture" theory of human behavior.


Read the full article here:
http://genealogy.about.com/cs/geneticgenealogy/a/nature_nurture.htm

And for those interested in a more scientific article... This one is from 2001.

Nature vs Nurture Revisited
by Kevin Davies

The most shocking surprise that emerged from the full sequence of the human genome earlier this year is that we are the proud owners of a paltry 30,000 genes -- barely twice the number of a fruit fly.

After a decade of hype surrounding the Human Genome Project, punctuated at regular intervals by gaudy headlines proclaiming the discovery of genes for killer diseases and complex traits, this unexpected result led some journalists to a stunning conclusion. The seesaw struggle between our genes -- nature -- and the environment -- nurture -- had swung sharply in favor of nurture. "We simply do not have enough genes for this idea of biological determinism to be right," asserted Craig Venter, president of Celera Genomics, one of the two teams that cracked the human genome last February.


Read the full article here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genome/debate.html

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