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Rape. Change in midstream in Texas
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posted09/19/2004 08:45 PM (UTC)by
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LoganMK
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Illonois past a law a few years back when a couple of teens began in intercourse and the girl in the middle of the act stated she wanted to go home. The guy responded with "give me a minute" The next day she reported it as rape and she won.

The law states basically that is either partner (although I can't imagine what male would do this) changes their mind about consent at any time during intercourse, if the other partner does not stop immediately, it is considered rape.

This law has been spreading to multiple states. Texas (the state in which I live) just pasted this law recently. Now, by no means do I approve of rape in any fashion, but I have a really strong problem with this law.

Men already biased against more than women when it comes to sexual crimes, thanks to our stereotypes, but I have a real problem with this because a woman can easily lie about it and the guy can do nothing about it because the evidence would be there.

I know every bit of statistical knowledge goes against my objection to this law. I know only about 20% of rapes are reported, and I know 2% of reported rapes are falsely accused, but I cannot get past the fact that this condition is so easily manipulated.

Who is the victim here the "raped" or the "rapist"?
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DanteThePoetic
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 •09/17/2004 08:45 AM (UTC) •
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I cant believe you have a problem with this (assuming your not a masochistic douche). Put yourself in a woman's position, your in the middle of sex and he's not wearing a condom or you've had suspicions about how "clean" he is but haven't had the nerve to say no, until now. Should you (the woman) be forced to run the risk of becoming pregnant or transmitting an STD just because he doesn't want to stop? That sounds like rape to me. About rape, theres no middle ground on the subject you either rape or you dont and if your too lazy to pull out when it could prove disastrous for the partner your a lazy, selfish, whether you like it or not rapist.
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manny86
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 •09/17/2004 12:28 PM (UTC) •
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^^^ Agreed.
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krackerjack
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 •09/17/2004 12:45 PM (UTC) •
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I'm with Logan.
It sounds fair, but i think it's just too much power.

Until men are given a law we can use against woman that is equally abusable, then this shouldn't come to pass, in my opinion anyway.
Actually, "two wrongs don't make a right" so perhaps men shouldn't be given anything, and woman shouldn't be given this.

It seems unreasonable to have consensual sex with somebody then say "Oh actually i think i've changed my mind, please exit through the front door, and be sure not to spill anything on the way out or i'll destroy your life. Ta." halfway though. Also, any woman that is stupid enough to let an unprotected man inside her is responsible in the first place if she falls pregnant. Not saying it it doesn't take two to tango here, but thats like saying "I let you cum in me, now i'm pregnant. It's your fault!". It takes all responsibility away from woman, which is not what men need right now.
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 •09/17/2004 04:00 PM (UTC) •
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It is wrong. Someone could lie about it, and someone would falsely be imprisioned.

The woman and the man both agree to have sex. If she has suspicions about him having an STD, would she agree to fuck him in the first place? Highly doubtful. If she wants him to use a condom? Ask him. If he doesn't, supply him with one. If you don't have any, don't sleep with him. If you choose to after that, then it's the woman's fault if she gets pregnant.
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 •09/17/2004 04:06 PM (UTC) •
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if there willing to go that far in the first place its their own fault, imo
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LoganMK
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 •09/17/2004 06:07 PM (UTC) •
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DanteThePoetic Wrote:
Put yourself in a woman's position, your in the middle of sex and he's not wearing a condom or you've had suspicions about how "clean" he is but haven't had the nerve to say no, until now. Should you (the woman) be forced to run the risk of becoming pregnant or transmitting an STD just because he doesn't want to stop? That sounds like rape to me. About rape, theres no middle ground on the subject you either rape or you dont and if your too lazy to pull out when it could prove disastrous for the partner your a lazy, selfish, whether you like it or not rapist.


First of all you need to calm down, you're getting really close to accusational. Either that or just you just like to write incorrectly.

Secondly thats extremely stupid on the woman's part! Why would any intelligent human being have sex with someone they didn't know was clean ESPECIALLY if it was a stranger. Lets use our heads here. Also if pregnency is worried about its common sense to require a condom BEFORE intercourse, not in the middle of it.


And just for added input: I also wonder about marriages. Rape occurs in marriages as well. So if the wife doesn't like how things are going, all she has to do is make a phone call and he's is a whole world of hurt.
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 •09/17/2004 06:34 PM (UTC) •
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The law is a good one, yet it's flawed. WHo's to say that a jealous former lover couldn't come on out and say that the last time she and a guy had intercourse, she said, "stop."

The chance of someone coming foward out of spite and scorn to ruin a guy's life is possible with this law.

While I favor it, I think the lawmakers should somehow put in a provision that thuroughly investigates such claims in the instances where there is doubt about a woman's credibility. If it has been taken advantage of before in one way or another in this country, then it's logical to assert that a woman can use this law to hurt someone intentionally.

If it happens once to a guy, then isn't that enough to change the law so it can't be abused by someone else? It's as if a scornfull woman could use this law, meant for a legitimate case, to ruin someones life. If it's not right for a guy to rape a girl, then it's not right for a woman to abuse a well intended law and to falsify a rape report just to drag an innocent mant hrough this process.

I think it's a good law, but it can be abused. So, someone needs to modify it in some way.


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 •09/17/2004 07:09 PM (UTC) •
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Now you know how Kobe feels.
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 •09/17/2004 07:28 PM (UTC) •
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blade-tsung Wrote:
Now you know how Kobe feels.


SEE! Kobe had... has an ego and that got his ass into trouble. However, what was also a problem for him is that girl had issues and tried to put Kobe through the ringer. She had to have known that it was gonna get out that she had sex with another bloake after she had sex with Kobe. She abused the law by bringing this up and everyone knows that she's got a history of personal issues and sees her for what she really is.

And she's gonna take Kobe to civil court and get paid. Too bad all that women who legitimity have cases of being raped by men won't be ass fourtunate as her.

And Kobe's got to deal with this shit too since it's also his problem as well. He should have known that some women go after celebrities and sports stars. Every rookie has to attend a meeting to address this issue and others. Yet, some just don't learn. Poor bastards! The truth is that they sometimes bring it on themselves.


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 •09/18/2004 02:00 AM (UTC) •
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ghostdragon Wrote:
While I favor it, I think the lawmakers should somehow put in a provision that thuroughly investigates such claims in the instances where there is doubt about a woman's credibility. If it has been taken advantage of before in one way or another in this country, then it's logical to assert that a woman can use this law to hurt someone intentionally.
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See the problem with that is, don't get me wrong I agree wholeheartedly, but the problem is as it stands right now the reason why the judicial systems would not suspect a false accuser is simply because only 2% of reported rapes are falsely accused (source is Women's Center research) so they look at that and find it highly unlikely someone would falsely accuse, giving them the advatage.

However, there are printable "Sex Contracts" that can be obtained. These from what I understand gaurd against any potential problems because it is written consent. I suggest one of these be signed BEFORE ANYTHING happens between X and Y
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 •09/18/2004 02:41 AM (UTC) •
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LoganMK Wrote:
However, there are printable "Sex Contracts" that can be obtained. These from what I understand gaurd against any potential problems because it is written consent. I suggest one of these be signed BEFORE ANYTHING happens between X and Y


I guess that is sort of a good idea, but that is the some of the most significant proof i've ever seen that proves our society is truely beyond fucked up.
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LoganMK
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 •09/18/2004 05:30 AM (UTC) •
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heh heh I never said this was healthy, I just said it was necessary
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 •09/18/2004 08:31 AM (UTC) •
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Lmao this IS a stupid law
i agree with you logan

"put yourself in the women's position...blablabla"......so you're halfway through fucking and THEN you decide you don't want to do it? Oh cmon, it's YOUR fault then....geez. If you consented to begin with I mean cmon.

I can agree with the law if you want to stop and the guy forces you to keep going like holds you down or something but..... I mean geez
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 •09/18/2004 08:37 AM (UTC) •
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Lol cmon the guy cheated on his wife.
I think he deserves the shit he went through

I think even *I* am going to accuse kobe of raping me

blade-tsung Wrote:
Now you know how Kobe feels.

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 •09/18/2004 08:55 PM (UTC) •
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Well excuse me for caring about the welfare of the opposite sex. You guys are acting like women falsley acuse men one million times a day, like your "sick" of the role you have as a male. Let me tell you something, if this happened to your sister I'm positive your outlook would be altered. Anyway, I belive (and thats the key, dont get all bent out of shape) that a possible life threatening illness or life altering experience tramples over one petty "right" that a guy has. Reply as you will with your flames but that doesn't overlook the fact that *some* people try to protect the reputation of their gender when it's not necessary.
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 •09/19/2004 12:49 AM (UTC) •
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DanteThePoetic Wrote:
Well excuse me for caring about the welfare of the opposite sex. You guys are acting like women falsley acuse men one million times a day, like your "sick" of the role you have as a male. Let me tell you something, if this happened to your sister I'm positive your outlook would be altered. Anyway, I belive (and thats the key, dont get all bent out of shape) that a possible life threatening illness or life altering experience tramples over one petty "right" that a guy has. Reply as you will with your flames but that doesn't overlook the fact that *some* people try to protect the reputation of their gender when it's not necessary.

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 •09/19/2004 12:51 AM (UTC) •
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I under stand where your coming from, but the fact is, this law is just to abuseable. The girl should tell you to stop before you start. I mean, come on! If some girl walks into court and says, "I asked him to stop!" she's going to walk away with whatever she wants, because there's no way you can prove or disprove a statement like that.
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 •09/19/2004 01:01 AM (UTC) •
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DanteThePoetic Wrote:
Well excuse me for caring about the welfare of the opposite sex. You guys are acting like women falsley acuse men one million times a day, like your "sick" of the role you have as a male. Let me tell you something, if this happened to your sister I'm positive your outlook would be altered. Anyway, I belive (and thats the key, dont get all bent out of shape) that a possible life threatening illness or life altering experience tramples over one petty "right" that a guy has. Reply as you will with your flames but that doesn't overlook the fact that *some* people try to protect the reputation of their gender when it's not necessary.


They were in the middle of having sex. Have you heard of something called "pre-cum". The girl ran a risk of being infected from the time the guy stuck his dick in. If she didn't wanna get pregnant then maybe she shouldn't agreed to having sex, because that's the only 100% way to prevent from getting pregnant.


This is just like a girl getting drunk at a party. These little girls don't know their limits yet, but they wanna get drunk at some party with a bunch of horny and drunk kids. If you are awake you are held responsible for what you do and say. Maybe they shouldn't have been drinking in the first place and just stayed home. Let them learn from THEIR mistakes, not punish others for it.
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 •09/19/2004 01:26 AM (UTC) •
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I agree with you. If some chick goes to a party, and starts flerting with guys and drinking, she's encouraging guys. She knows that she'll get drunk if she drinks too much and then goes and does it anyway. This isn't to say that a guy who takes advantage of a girl who is *so drunk she's passed out, or really out of it* is any less disgusting as a person, just that some of what happens to a girl in these semi-consenting sexual situations is the girls fault. How can you be so indecicive about something? fuck me... don't fuck me.
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DanteThePoetic Wrote:
Well excuse me for caring about the welfare of the opposite sex. You guys are acting like women falsley acuse men one million times a day, like your "sick" of the role you have as a male. Let me tell you something, if this happened to your sister I'm positive your outlook would be altered. Anyway, I belive (and thats the key, dont get all bent out of shape) that a possible life threatening illness or life altering experience tramples over one petty "right" that a guy has. Reply as you will with your flames but that doesn't overlook the fact that *some* people try to protect the reputation of their gender when it's not necessary.

They were in the middle of having sex. Have you heard of something called "pre-cum". The girl ran a risk of being infected from the time the guy stuck his dick in. If she didn't wanna get pregnant then maybe she shouldn't agreed to having sex, because that's the only 100% way to prevent from getting pregnant.


This is just like a girl getting drunk at a party. These little girls don't know their limits yet, but they wanna get drunk at some party with a bunch of horny and drunk kids. If you are awake you are held responsible for what you do and say. Maybe they shouldn't have been drinking in the first place and just stayed home. Let them learn from THEIR mistakes, not punish others for it.

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LoganMK
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 •09/19/2004 04:43 AM (UTC) •
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DanteThePoetic Wrote:
Well excuse me for caring about the welfare of the opposite sex. You guys are acting like women falsley acuse men one million times a day, like your "sick" of the role you have as a male. Let me tell you something, if this happened to your sister I'm positive your outlook would be altered. Anyway, I belive (and thats the key, dont get all bent out of shape) that a possible life threatening illness or life altering experience tramples over one petty "right" that a guy has. Reply as you will with your flames but that doesn't overlook the fact that *some* people try to protect the reputation of their gender when it's not necessary.


No one ever "flamed" (I hate that word) you, they just said you were wrong.

And besides I never endorsed rape, nor claimed that I have a dislike to women. In fact I ever stated evidence that goes AGAINST my own objection that I stated.

What more do you want?
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 •09/19/2004 01:23 PM (UTC) •
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Wrong? I thought this was a topic of discussion, I just stated my case in hopes that some would agree. If you think that there is a definite "right" or "wrong" answer here then maybe I'm debating with the "wrong" person.
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LoganMK
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 •09/19/2004 07:30 PM (UTC) •
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alright whatever bub
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(Erik)
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 •09/19/2004 08:45 PM (UTC) •
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This is a very strange new law.
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