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The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 04:10 PM EST


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In theatres May. Andrew Garfield returns as Peter Parker/Spider-man to battle the rising Electro (Jaime Foxx) and other emerging villains like Rhino (Paul Giamatti) and Green Goblin (Dane DeHaan). Sequel to the 2012 Marc Webb directed reboot. First step in Sony's planned Spider-movie franchise [to include; Sinister Six, Venom, Carnage, etc...].

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 04:22 PM EST
Thought somebody else might pick up this one. What's the interest like?

I finally saw the first Webb directed film over the weekend and while I thought it was a drop-off that rubbed against the Raimi films -- it was also, unto itself, a serviceable movie. A little boring at times, a little run of the mill. It suffered for a lot of the deliberate attempts to avoid territory covered in the first film, but was obviously still doomed to repeat much of it. It will be interesting to see how things travel unencumbered by another origin story.

I think Garfield is an excellent Parker/Spidey that taps into the spirit of the original Ditko character, and some of the more modern takes. The second film is noted for dropping assumptions that it needed to be 'grounded' and is obviously a more vibrant, colourful spectacle for it. Of course, it's also subject to the hit-and-miss direction of the first film. The classic costume is restored for the sequel -- but now it's the villains who are deviating significantly from their classic comic book counterparts.

I'm not sure I'm expecting a great movie going experience, but if it manages to be the fun, light, colourful episode of the Amazing Spider-man that it promises -- that still counts for something.

I'll be very interested to get some other impressions of the series, the sequel, and whether or not anybody is on board. We'll have to get some reviews if anybody decides to see it.

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 04:54 PM EST
Raimi's Spider-Man 1 is one of my all-time favorites. It was really the first superhero movie since Donner's Superman to actually LOOK like a comic in live-action form. They didn't add a "let's have our own vision" studio adaptation filter to anything except Goblin's costume and I thought that, while silly, was still serviceable because it still fit what the Goblin concept is supposed to be, and Norman's character was spot-on.

2 was not as good (Most people overlook it because the Doc Ock parts were so good, but the "being depressed makes my powers not work" subplot really bothers me) but still pretty great, and as bad as 3 was, it didn't ruin the continuity for me or something, so the idea that it needed to be rebooted is just not one I can get behind. To me, Tobey is on the same level as the Avengers character flicks and I wish he could cross over with the MCU because in my headcanon, he's THE movie Spider-Man.

So I went into ASM1 with that in my head and frankly, the movie did nothing to dispel me of those feelings.
While I like some bits (The Stacys, Pete inventing webshooters, Spidey quipping more often), I really disliked the majority of the movie because a lot of it DID feel like a "let's have our own vision" studio adaptation. It also felt lower budget and rushed, like...the sets just seemed smaller and more gritty or dirty or something. And I was flat-out ANGERED that Uncle Ben couldn't just come out and say a plain and simple "with great power comes great responsibility", they had to try to be clever and twist the dialogue around and shit. It still grates on my nerves.

ASM2 looks like it could be better...but it also looks like it's gonna be stuffed with too many villains like 3 was, and their design for Harry as the Goblin is so bad that it could make me not see the movie all by itself.

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 05:04 PM EST
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And I was flat-out ANGERED that Uncle Ben couldn't just come out and say a plain and simple "with great power comes great responsibility", they had to try to be clever and twist the dialogue around and shit. It still grates on my nerves.

Oh god, that was the worst! It's amazing how not saying something can be like nails on a chalk board! I can understand wanting to zig where the first films zagged, to commit to a deviating vision, but wow. You don't lose that. That's cutting off the nose to spite the face! Crazy!

I also thought the attempt to go "grounded" really diminished the strength of those relationships. The domestic hostility between Peter and his Uncle took something from the character. The entire framing of Uncle Ben's death really took the strength of the meaning out of it.

ASM2 looks like it could be better...but it also looks like it's gonna be stuffed with too many villains like 3 was, and their design for Harry as the Goblin is so bad that it could make me not see the movie all by itself.

It's interesting the way they concede in one area -- the costume and tone, for example -- but then go right back to deviating with the villains. Of the three, Rhino might bother me the most. Its the same premise to a degree, but that's a wonderfully stupid character I would've liked to see stay close to the comics. Movies gotta stop running from fantastically big guys, in my opinion.

As much as I never liked any of the Raimi versions of Goblins [Harry in particular], I thought the characters underneath were strong enough to let it slide. This Goblin seems to be an obvious attempt to balance the Raimi ideas with something like the conceits of the Ultimate Goblin. Electro, again, is much more Ultimate (or MTV Spidey) than I would like, but seems to have spectacle and the creation of a sincere character helping it along. I don't like that they've completely cast against type, but it is what it is.

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 05:39 PM EST
I dunno that the 616 Rhino could actually be done in live action. I mean they way they've always drawn him, he's as big as the Hulk, that's clearly not a Brock Lesnar-sized man in a suit made of hide, that's some kind of fucked up mutant.

So I'm okay with the mech suit...though I do prefer as little use of Ultimate universe ideas as humanly possible. It works for him and Electro (who has one of the worst costumes in all of comics), it works for a guy whose costume never really had a logical theme like Hawkeye in the Avengers...but it REALLY doesn't work for the Green Goblin. The Osborns need to be men who can hide their crazy and have a secret identity, not firebreathing monsters or...whatever the hell is going on with Harry's face in this movie.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 05:56 PM EST
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I dunno that the 616 Rhino could actually be done in live action. I mean they way they've always drawn him, he's as big as the Hulk, that's clearly not a Brock Lesnar-sized man in a suit made of hide, that's some kind of fucked up mutant.

So I'm okay with the mech suit...though I do prefer as little use of Ultimate universe ideas as humanly possible.

Eh. I think there are a couple of better ways they could go, but both really boil down to just accepting the fantasy of the character and going whole hog.

On one hand, you could get the biggest guy you can find and use that large frame as a logic base to build even more bulk with the classic comics hide. [More Nathan Jones than Brock Lesnar, because you'd need height.] Or, maybe even easier for the movie-going experience, take the free pass given to this movie and just involve some sort of enhancement process to justify going from a 'grounded' human being, to a Hulk-size suited man. Both work within a simple framework of pseudo-reality, but arrive at a more comic-friendly conclusion.

Given that Lizard already played with physical mutation, and the Green Goblin is likely to go there with the Goblin formula, the pieces are in place. This is also a movie where a man falls into a vat of eels and comes out shooting blue electricity everywhere, so tonally, a giant guy in a Rhino hide shouldn't push things too far. You've also got a relatively small, wirey guy playing Spidey, so there's room to work with that.

I'm talking Goblin serum style physical enhancements, but heck. If we're making concessions for convenience, a Lizard-style full Rhino DNA infusion might be more in the spirit of things. I don't imagine a chair in a mech-suit is going to have GIamatti playing up the pathos of the man-trapped-in-the-suit. [Granted, saving that for Scorpion wouldn't be a bad idea.]

Leave the Iron Monger mech-suits to the guys who wear it well, wear it for a reason. Comparisons (Raimi films, Batman Begins) can only hurt these movies. Webb's said this movie is indulging in the spectacle that the first movie deliberately avoided. Embrace the source, set a new trend.

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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The Osborns need to be men who can hide their crazy and have a secret identity, not firebreathing monsters or...whatever the hell is going on with Harry's face in this movie.

I don't know about the movie, but the "Ultimate Green Goblin" can transition back and forth. If that's where they're going, maybe we're not supposed to perceive green-face Harry Osborn as recognizable. Not sure. Might've been an interesting time to try those comic style mask/animatronic ideas.

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BTW - For anyone interested; there's an interest promotional crossover happening at the end of Amazing Spider-man that involves a cut-in sequence from X-Men: Days of Future Past. It concerns material from that movie, so the original article is there. It's not what you might think.

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 09:07 PM EST
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I don't know about the movie, but the "Ultimate Green Goblin" can transition back and forth.


But that's just the Hulk, isn't it? That's always been my problem with the Ultimate version. Similar logic to your reasons why Rhino shouldn't be a mech applies here as well.

Except moreso because the Goblins are way more important to Peter's life.
Personally, I never minded Willem Dafoe's helmet, I don't think a rubber mask that's able to move like a face is necessary or would look particularly convincing...I just think the suit should have had some kind of purple clothing over top and it would've been perfectly fine.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 09:43 PM EST
I'm moderately excited about this upcoming Spidey movie. I love Spidey so I'll watch any movie of his.

I'm kind of worried because it's jam packed with villains. But I'm very curious to see how it will lead to the Sinister Six movie. I'm probably more excited for that movie.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/16/2014 11:58 PM EST
I think the first movie could have been better had it not had to carry the baggage from the Raimi films. The first act was handled in such a way that made it seem the movie was embarrassed to be retelling Spidey's origins. But I think Andrew Garfield is actually better in the role than Tobey McGuire and I'm glad to see the suit in Amazing Spider-Man 2 rendered more like the classic look. I have high hopes.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/17/2014 10:58 AM EST
New Green Goblin looks like those flying guys from Highlander 2.
Still better than PowerRangers reject from first Spider-man.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/18/2014 01:45 AM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
I don't know about the movie, but the "Ultimate Green Goblin" can transition back and forth.


But that's just the Hulk, isn't it? That's always been my problem with the Ultimate version. Similar logic to your reasons why Rhino shouldn't be a mech applies here as well.

Except moreso because the Goblins are way more important to Peter's life.

Personally, I never minded Willem Dafoe's helmet, I don't think a rubber mask that's able to move like a face is necessary or would look particularly convincing...I just think the suit should have had some kind of purple clothing over top and it would've been perfectly fine.

Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde? I don't have any affection for the Ultimate books, but it is ultimately an embellishment of the goblin formula mythology that was already there. It becomes a metaphor of outward manifestation, rather than a helmet or mask. Maybe a superior variation of the popular 'the mask if the true face' theme, in so much that it's a literal face coming to the fore. "Superior" might be an overstatement.

In any event, something Ultimate-esque at least keeps the character rooted in the original concept and navigates to some sort of benefit out of the change. It's a filmic simplification and a thematic beat. I don't think that benefit is true of the Rhino, who loses aesthetic, concept and plot. [By that measure, Electro roughly breaks even, I guess.]

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/18/2014 04:19 AM EST
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Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde? I don't have any affection for the Ultimate books, but it is ultimately an embellishment of the goblin formula mythology that was already there. It becomes a metaphor of outward manifestation, rather than a helmet or mask.


I don't see the Green Goblin as a Jekyll and Hyde-based character like Hulk is, though.

616 Norman can't turn his powers or the crazy in his head on and off. His entire storyline becomes hiding a self-inflicted mental illness from his son and others to the point that it becomes a split personality disorder. Or in Harry's case where it became a metaphor for drug addiction. You can't hide using from your friends if the drug makes you change color and grow before their eyes. The entire story of the Goblins revolves around hiding secret identities behind masks, a dark reflection of the fact that keeping his identity a secret is the hardest part of Peter's own life as Spider-Man.

I find that WAY more unique and fascinating than another too-on-the-nose "guy turns into a big strong brute because he's a monster on the inside so now he's a monster on the outside too" thing.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/18/2014 09:52 PM EST
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616 Norman can't turn his powers or the crazy in his head on and off. His entire storyline becomes hiding a self-inflicted mental illness from his son and others to the point that it becomes a split personality disorder. Or in Harry's case where it became a metaphor for drug addiction. You can't hide using from your friends if the drug makes you change color and grow before their eyes. The entire story of the Goblins revolves around hiding secret identities behind masks, a dark reflection of the fact that keeping his identity a secret is the hardest part of Peter's own life as Spider-Man.

I find that WAY more unique and fascinating than another too-on-the-nose "guy turns into a big strong brute because he's a monster on the inside so now he's a monster on the outside too" thing.

The transformation is just a literal adaptation of what you're describing. He's very literally hiding his other self. The masque metaphors are still there as is the struggle of the character -- it's just without the Halloween mask. If the story doesn't have him transforming on the White House lawn, the concept remains in tact in a different working form. It's still a man with a monster hidden behind a façade of (something like) normalcy.

I can agree with not being especially enamoured by the idea of infringing on other monster-mash characters, but when the Goblin gimmicks are turned down, you're going in the other direction anyway. Instead of Hulk, it's Cap & Iron Man. As a simplification that distils the same Green Goblin ideas to their essence, and offers an easy-out for a visual design they're obviously reluctant to embrace, I think Ultimate Goblin at least justifies itself. Again, I think the important point is that you don't really lose a lot (subject to plot etc).

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/29/2014 11:30 PM EST
- How Spider-Man Got His ‘Amazing’ New Costume

I was happy to see a more classic costume return. The big eyes, the bold colours. You just can't beat it. I really think trying to "ground" the costume in the first film only left them looking more specifically stupid. Gotta imagine the kids enjoyed it, though. Dopes.

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/30/2014 12:17 AM EST
So I know this thread is technically about the film, but has anyone else played the semi-tie in game? Swinging through the city is pretty... Amazing.


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04/30/2014 02:37 AM EST
- The Amazing Spider-Man's Sinister Six Has Been Revealed [MILD SPOILERS]

Enticing pictures in the article. Won't post them in case there's anybody worried about spoilers. At some point we'll have to get a Sinister Six thread going, I'm sure.

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
Vulture & Kraven The Hunter will be exciting. Glad to see what seems to be confirmation of Chameleon. The second parents were mentioned for the first film, I really thought we were getting Chameleon. I thought we might get a sneaky inclusion in the first movie. Wonder if there'll be any retroactive reveals.

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
04/30/2014 03:20 AM EST
YUSSS.

I'm a fan of the Vulture, and I always wondered of "what could've been" had Sony let Raimi use the Vulture and the Lizard rather than cramming Venom Foreman down everyone's throat.

Although, I'd personally rather have Mysterio than Chameleon. Of Spider-Man's rogues I've always been partial to Vulture, Mysterio, and Scorpion.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
05/02/2014 07:54 PM EST
I went ahead and saw the movie today. I definitely enjoyed it, and it's better than the first film. I still like the first two Raimi Spider-Man movies, but looking back at his trilogy, the B-movie cheesiness is very glaring.

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One major problem with this movie is something that's kind of inevitable, namely the predictability of how it'll play out. Gwen's death was speculated, and it came to pass. I think that scene as well as the aftermath were handled well. Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy is a far better character than Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane Watson, the latter of whom I have come to the conclusion is the real villain of Raimi's trilogy. The chemistry between Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield does work much better than the chemistry between Tobey MacGuire and Kirsten Dunst.

Another issue for me was how Electro was handled. I don't mind the cheesiness from Rhino as he's something of that trollish villain. In fact, I hope he comes back in the third movie. But for Electro, I wasn't really into him. I think Jamie Foxx did a good job with what he was given, but having his pre-Electro self be an over-the-top stereotypically nerdy obsessive fanboy not unlike Jim Carrey's Edward Nygma is unnecessary.

I wasn't sure what to think of Dane DeHaan as Harry before the movie came out. I thought his performance was good. The story building up to his transformation into Green Goblin was kind of interesting. It was certainly different, and it's nice that he was able to deduce that Spider-Man is Peter. It's also good that we haven't seen the last of Harry though I wonder if he'll ever expose Spider-Man's secret identity.

Having said all of that, I still enjoy the Green Goblin that Willem Dafoe played, and in a way, there was something of a better development in Spider-Man 1 as we really got into the psyche of his character. My minor gripe with Goblin is really that we didn't see much of him at all.

That kind of gets into the overall length of the movie. It did feel like it was dragging a bit in the middle, and there are perhaps a couple of scenes that could have been cut out, such as Max's display of obsession. I was a bit surprised that certain lines that were used in the trailers were cut out from the movie, such as the line about Oscorp spying on Peter. There was also the scene between Harry and Norman in which Harry asks about Peter, and Norman replies something along the lines of not everyone gets a happy ending. Yeah...we really didn't see much of Chris Cooper except of course for certain scenes giving some backstory.

About the backstory elements, I do appreciate that this new series has some kind of foundation to build up a story arc for sequels. Sure, you had the building subplot of Harry in the Raimi trilogy with him becoming quasi-Goblin in the third movie, but the Sinister Six subplot is interesting to me. I'm still not sure who this "Mr. Fierce" is, but I hope we find out in the next movie.

Just for some final thoughts (for now anyway), I like the Easter eggs of Jameson and Felicia. It would be nice to see more of Felicia in the sequel, and if they have Peter going to the Daily Bugle in the third movie, I would actually want to see the return of J.K. Simmons as Jameson. He was one of the highlights of the Raimi trilogy.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
05/04/2014 02:14 PM EST
Warning: Opinion Ahead.

People tend to forget that neither director gave a true blue approach to the Spider-Man saga. Sure, Raimi had a closer display of what was in the comics. He was also WAY off in several ways. When those films first came out, a younger Dibula would get ass agonized about how far off certain things were.

Then I grew up.

The huge gripes with Spider-Man fans are that the new movies "don't do this right, this villain is a bad choice, Peter Parker is all wrong, etc etc". While this new set of films is certainly carrying its own approach, I will state my opinion simply.

In terms of Story arc, event significance, and forward vision, the new films are better.

Some people want a visual of what they have been reading since the sixties. Hell, I would love it too. Those people also need to realize that realistically, that wont happen anytime soon for any hero.

As a lifelong hardcore Spider-Man fan, I enjoy this new approach that is being taken. I can enjoy the existing comic mythology while seeing what can be offered on the screen as it's own entity, rater than a page projection.

Also, to make it clear, Gwen Stacy always owned Peter's Heart. Even through all those years with Mary Jane, she couldn't ever truly fill that place Gwen had. The fact that Gwen is included in these movies, and that their relationship was so well presented? That's enough to give me a massive opinion of this over that corny romantic shitshow of what Raimi's trilogy tried to pull off .

Does it do EVERYTHING better than Raimi's trilogy? Of course not. The thing is, this isn't Raimi's trilogy anymore.

Side Note: Why is everyone comparing Dofoe to DeHaan? They played a totally different Goblin, and they each stayed true to their Goblin's personality. Norman was insane, but he was calculated, brilliant, relentless. He was Spider-Man's ultimate nemesis. Harry's Goblin is...to say the least... a whole different animal.
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05/06/2014 02:51 AM EST
- Amazing Spider-Man 2 Exclusive: Marc Webb Interested In Kraven The Hunter As A Villain [SPOILERS?]

This was posted May 2, after the supposed Sinister Six reveal, so... Either they're really bad at drumming up mysteries, or this is a developing story and nothing seen thus far can be taken for granted as sequel matter.

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- The Amazing Spider-Man's Sinister Six Has Been Revealed [MILD SPOILERS]

Enticing pictures in the article. Won't post them in case there's anybody worried about spoilers. At some point we'll have to get a Sinister Six thread going, I'm sure.

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
Vulture & Kraven The Hunter will be exciting. Glad to see what seems to be confirmation of Chameleon. The second parents were mentioned for the first film, I really thought we were getting Chameleon. I thought we might get a sneaky inclusion in the first movie. Wonder if there'll be any retroactive reveals.

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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
05/11/2014 04:45 PM EST
Wow, this movie was a piece of shit. I can't remember the last time I saw a film that was so disjointed and tonally schizophrenic.

As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time a film begged me to take so much shit on faith. "We don't have time to show you that Harry and Peter are good friends, or that Max Dillon was screwed over by relevant parties, or that Harry resents his father, but you can take our word for it." That's bad film making.

and yet... AND YET, they have time to do all the same emotional ping pong in the romantic scenes that we saw in the previous trilogy. What's the point of doing a reboot if you're going to borrow elements from the Raimi films? Also, the the plot point with Peter's father was a giant waste of screentime that either A) revealed things we already knew, or B) ultimately doesn't change the course of ANYTHING in the story.

This is just the surface. I don't even have time to delve into how shitty this movie actually is. Winter Soldier set the bar. If people want to give this movie a free pass, that's all good. I don't know what other people expect in movies. What I expect is for movies with a 155 minute runtime to have a coherent plot.
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
05/12/2014 03:57 PM EST
oh man this movie was bad! It was fucking terrible! Jesus, it was worse than Spider-Man 3
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RE: The Amazing Spider-man 2 (2014 film)
05/12/2014 04:31 PM EST
This movie was awesome. I loved The Amazing Spiderman 1, and this one is great as well.

I think people may have severe nostalgia goggles on when it comes to Raimi's trilogy. The cheesiness is over the top in those, and Toby's Peter Parker is all wrong. Not to mention they aged him way too quickly. My wife and I rewatched the trilogy not long ago and there is a lot of cringe-inducing moments. James Franco is the only one of the starring cast that I feel nailed it.

As mentioned by someone else (dibula I believe) the inclusion of Gwen Stacy is also awesome. Emma Stone is incredible in that part. So much so that I feel bad for whoever has to follow up as Mary Jane Watson. My only hope is that they keep Mary Jane true to herself (don't make her such a bland Mary Sue).

Great films for real.
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