Sub_Zero_13 Wrote: Do you guys notice that MKO has developed a lot of rules and regulations, it seems a lot like we are being oppressed simply because there is not better MK forum anywhere online. For example: You are not allowed to advertise your personal web site? Even if it's MK related? Why is that? Rules are made because of bad situations in the precedence, so why would this be a bad thing? More than a share of people advertise in their sig, so why not on a post? I hate to bitch and complain, but it seems like the rules here are too strict, like the owners are abusing their power.

Let's look at what's here:

1.) General Conduct

"The forums have been split into several unique chapters, each one filled with rich content from the Mortal Kombat Community. To keep this system working well, users are required to keep their posts in the chapter they best fit. For example, MK:DA topics go in the MK:DA Discussion forum, general topics go in the General Discussion forum, etc. When creating a name for a topic, please give some indication of what the topic is going to be about in the title of the thread. No luring people into the thread with vague subject lines as they will very likely be edited. Keep the discussion in a given thread in line with the topic's subject. Going off topic repeatedly within a thread to derail it is a surefire way to earn skulls. The same holds true to threads you did not create. Also, please refrain from using all caps either in the subject line or body of your message. As far as what discussion is allowed, we do not support software and/or hardware piracy or pornography of any kind. Discussion of emulators in and of themselves when legal is tolerated. Discussion on how or where to get ROMs or images that run on them is not. No links to copyrighted material or watermarked images as well."

Wher'es the issue with this? keeping threads in appropriate boards helps manage things. I don't see where you'd be offended here.

2.) No Flames

"Harassing and degrading other members of the MK Community is a sure way to ruin Mortal Kombat Online's unique atmosphere. As such, there will be very little tolerance for "flaming". Flaming includes excessive profanity, insults, and sexual, racist, or discriminatory remarks. Arguments are acceptable as long as you do not degrade, use excessive profanities, or chastise other users in poor taste. Use your brain to further an argument or discussion, not your ability to flame. Any flaming posts will be deleted or edited, and their source will be warned. Excessive abuse will result in being banned from the forums. Any comments you have about another user must be taken to the private message system, or via other means (email, instant messenger, etc)."

It's pretty much a good thing. Debates are fine, but attacking people should be left to PM. There needs to be some civility here.

3.) No Spam

"Spam is defined as any message which purpose is offensive, has no substantial content, or is generally unwelcome. This includes, but is not limited to, movie/game/book spoiler posts (without indication), one-liner threads/responses, and inappropriate responses (i.e. "I don't know."). Repeated instances of spam over a relatively short period of time, also known as flooding, are not tolerated and users conducting in such actions will be immediately banned. We do not allow threads directed towards individual users. If you have any issues to discuss with a member or moderator/administrator, use the private message system. Bumping, is another form of spam we do not allow. Bumping is taking a topic that has been "buried" by threads that have been more recently responded to, and replying to it. This puts the topic ahead of the other threads. Intentional attempts to bump threads will result in those messages being removed. Continued attempts may result in lost of posting privileges."

I'm sorry, but I hate spam with a passion and it really has nothing to do w/ MK and having it on the Gen. Discussion baord isn't a good idea for it doedn't illicit substantive discussions.

4.) No Advertising

"As much as everyone appreciates new information about Mortal Kombat or otherwise, users are not permitted to advertise their own personal websites for purposes of getting hits. Exceptions to the rule include links placed in your signature or using the private message system. Please refrain from linking to information that is not being discussed in a thread. Do not create a thread solely made to advertise your website. Links that we do allow in threads include news links, links pertaining to the subject at hand, and file links when related to the thread subject. Illegal links or links providing pornography will be removed and action will be taken towards the user."

Self explanitory here.


5.) No Spoofing

"Spoofing is when you create a username that is too similar or a variation on an existing name in order to confuse others as to whom a person is. Multiple accounts are not allowed. Some conditions may apply. Contact the forum director for more information before making a second account. Do not create a username to intentionally mislead others into thinking you are a member of the Mortal Kombat Online staff, Portal Guards, or known people in the MK universe (i.e. Ed Boon, John Vogel)."

I can't see where anyone would favor someone else spoofing their username. Just not a cool thing to do.

6.) No Religious Threads

"Mortal Kombat Online has disallowed theological discussions as they have frequently resulted in users breaking one or more of the basic rules of the forums. The staff of Mortal Kombat Online understands that there are some users that can maturely discuss religion, however the majority cannot. The job of the staff is to consider, not only a particular minority audience, but the entire forum and its users as a whole. Religious topics will be deleted upon sight and repeated offenses will result in a ban.
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There's the PM system for such discussions. Thet can get heated and out of control, so it's best that this rule is in place.


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Sub_Zero_13 Wrote: Do you guys notice that MKO has developed a lot of rules and regulations, it seems a lot like we are being oppressed simply because there is not better MK forum anywhere online. For example: You are not allowed to advertise your personal web site? Even if it's MK related? Why is that? Rules are made because of bad situations in the precedence, so why would this be a bad thing? More than a share of people advertise in their sig, so why not on a post? I hate to bitch and complain, but it seems like the rules here are too strict, like the owners are abusing their power.

Most of these rules have been here from the start. They are made to keep the boards from being giant flame wars. For example:

-The banning of advertising websites in posts. Now they arn't banned altogether, they are allowed in sigs. Plus the rule refers mainly refers to when someone blatantly promotes a site, and nothing else. Example: The title would be "Hey check out my site" and inside it would simply be a link to the site and nothing else. This can all be put into a sig.

-The banning of religious threads. Now there are some (and that's usually rare) that are allowed, only when they don't challenge anyone's religion or don't promote any religion. This one is a no brainer why it's banned.

-Certain political topics. These used to be completly banned, but the rule has been relaxed for everyone to share their opinions and to get the truth out on some subjects.

-The sig and avatar size rule. This goes without saying. It's just to save bandwidth and to make everything look nice and neat. This rule wasn't always around and some people had monsterous sized sigs that cluttered the boards.

Thems the rules. You don't like 'em, well too bad. I'm sorry if that sounds cold, but they all were made for a specific purpose in order to keep things cool around here.

Also, You used the word "oppression". I don't see the mods, beating down your or anyone else's front door and scolding you in front of your family for even the smallest and innocent violation.

Someone posts a thread about "Who's the best MK ever?" character in the MKD Board, a mod simply and politely says that they posted it in the wrong board and that it belongs in the "Classic MK Games Discussion Board'. It only means that a person should repost it there. It's nothing personal. I hate it when people, mostly new people get bent out of shape about it.

Whether you like the rules or not, they are what they are. Simple as that and they're pretty fair as I see it and if people have issues with them, then they should take it up with the mods personally. And if you indeed feel that they are too strict, then perhaps MKO isn't the place for you or maybe you need to just accept the rules as they are, I dunno. But like I said, they're pretty damn fair as I see it. Sorry you don't feel the same mate.


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ghostdragon Wrote: Also, You used the word "oppression". I don't see the mods, beating down your or anyone else's front door and scolding you in front of your family for even the smallest and innocent violation. GD

...Well there was that one time Temp, Crow, Sp00n and TBP showed up at my front door with handfuls of liquorice, tied me down, and whipped my bareback with them....

As far as I know, this site was started by an independent group of fans. You always have the option, as a fan, to create your own website with the rules you want.

It's possible to even make it more popular than MKO, perhaps even making it the #1 MK site on the net, but it'll take quite a bit to do.

skeletonofsociety Wrote: ghostdragon Wrote: Also, You used the word "oppression". I don't see the mods, beating down your or anyone else's front door and scolding you in front of your family for even the smallest and innocent violation. GD ...Well there was that one time Temp, Crow, Sp00n and TBP showed up at my front door with handfuls of liquorice, tied me down, and whipped my bareback with them....

Well... you must have done something serious to have that happen to you. Lemmie guess! You not only typed in all caps, but you used black in your text so no one could read your posts.


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ghostdragon Wrote: skeletonofsociety Wrote: ghostdragon Wrote: Also, You used the word "oppression". I don't see the mods, beating down your or anyone else's front door and scolding you in front of your family for even the smallest and innocent violation. GD ...Well there was that one time Temp, Crow, Sp00n and TBP showed up at my front door with handfuls of liquorice, tied me down, and whipped my bareback with them.... Well... you must have done something serious to have that happen to you. Lemmie guess! You not only typed in all caps, but you used black in your text so no one could read your posts. GD

How'd you know?

skeletonofsociety Wrote: ghostdragon Wrote: skeletonofsociety Wrote: ghostdragon Wrote: Also, You used the word "oppression". I don't see the mods, beating down your or anyone else's front door and scolding you in front of your family for even the smallest and innocent violation. GD ...Well there was that one time Temp, Crow, Sp00n and TBP showed up at my front door with handfuls of liquorice, tied me down, and whipped my bareback with them.... Well... you must have done something serious to have that happen to you. Lemmie guess! You not only typed in all caps, but you used black in your text so no one could read your posts. GD How'd you know?

A bar + a lot of liquor = a great deal of boasting and high 5's!


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Sub_Zero_13 Wrote: Do you guys notice that MKO has developed a lot of rules and regulations, it seems a lot like we are being oppressed simply because there is not better MK forum anywhere online. For example: You are not allowed to advertise your personal web site? Even if it's MK related? Why is that? Rules are made because of bad situations in the precedence, so why would this be a bad thing? More than a share of people advertise in their sig, so why not on a post? I hate to bitch and complain, but it seems like the rules here are too strict, like the owners are abusing their power.

Things are much, MUCH more strict at other sites, so be happy with what you are allowed to do here.

And before you come back with "But I'm not going to other sites, I wanna spend my time HERE!", I really doubt you'd keep coming here if you honestly considered the rules here to be "horrible oppression."

Yeah, what MKS said.
At least here such things as mild profanity and certain political discussions are allowed. Some sites would ban you for saying "Fuck"
This site doesn't.
At least i hope so...

MKSECRETS Wrote: Things are much, MUCH more strict at other sites, so be happy with what you are allowed to do here. And before you come back with "But I'm not going to other sites, I wanna spend my time HERE!", I really doubt you'd keep coming here if you honestly considered the rules here to be "horrible oppression."

I don't agree with him on somethings, but he's right here. Trust me, the grass ain't greener anywhere else.

I like the rules! Well I like them; maybe because I don't break them!

liek ONG, is liek so h0rr1bl3. *kalls p071c3.*
The rules are good, and often flexible. Of course, making personal attacks on mods and getting banned for it like I once did is liek so totally unfair... right? RIGHT?

"a mod simply and politely says that they posted it in the wrong board and that it belongs in the "Classic MK Games Discussion Board'."

Now, maybe I take it out of context, but when I read the "Thread Closed" posts, they always seem like really really angry people.

Another thing is, the reason I made this post is because in the past week, I have seen more closed posts than I've seen in the history of MKO. And I mean I understand that if a topic belongs in another section they should put it there, but if a topic is in the wrong section and it strikes up a 2 page discussion I don't htink it should be shut down.

Sub_Zero_13 Wrote: Now, maybe I take it out of context, but when I read the "Thread Closed" posts, they always seem like really really angry people. Another thing is, the reason I made this post is because in the past week, I have seen more closed posts than I've seen in the history of MKO. And I mean I understand that if a topic belongs in another section they should put it there, but if a topic is in the wrong section and it strikes up a 2 page discussion I don't htink it should be shut down.

The fact that the user FAQ is unavoidable due to a sticky announcement thread on every single forum the very first thread you see even, is enough to get us a bit irked at times, repeated offenses by the same user too...and blatant neglect of reading or going by it at all is reason enough.

Threads wouldn't be closed if the FAQ were followed. That's why it's there.

We had planned a way to "move" threads to the proper forum at one point, would be nice to have that feature added for moderation but that's not for me to do.

The rules are there for everyone's benefit believe it or not.

Generally the only users whom hate the rules are either troublemakers to begin with and want to raise Hell, or those whom are ignorant of the rules or to even acknowledge them.

I dare you go to a completely unmoderated forum somewhere and watch how "fun" it is...

i find the rules here fair... if people dont like how things are ran around here... leave? dont take any offense in this either but the mods and admins run things around here and i think they are doing a great job at what they do. although its turned into n00b playground around here lately lol

Well, the mods don't have to be jerks about it. "Don't do this again or I will kill you! You're dead! DEAD! DEAD I SAY!"

Well not like THAT exactly, but you get the idea. It's like, if I did something wrong, what would hurt more is not getting punished for it, but getting yelled at.

Sub_Zero_13 Wrote: Well, the mods don't have to be jerks about it. "Don't do this again or I will kill you! You're dead! DEAD! DEAD I SAY!" Well not like THAT exactly, but you get the idea. It's like, if I did something wrong, what would hurt more is not getting punished for it, but getting yelled at.

I don't follow you at all... the moderators can do one of two things at this point. We can warn you as we close the thread or in PM and then there is banning. Skull points are currently removed, so we cannot issue those type of warnings. Most offenses will cause you to receive a warning, and depending on the moderator, you may receive more than one. If you fail to comply with this you will be banned... debating with someone can only go so far.

Moderators are not "jerks", and I challenge you to show me any instance when one was.

What I do?

Anyway, I'm over it.

~Crow~ Wrote: Skull points are currently removed, so we cannot issue those type of warnings.

Really? Wow, I didn't even notice....

But really Jonin put it best. Everyone should know better.

I like the rules here. If anything, i think they should be more strict (i mean enforced more, but that's another issue altogether). Dickhead users = jerky mods. Simple. And as much of a retard as i am, i don't ever recall a mod acting like an asshole to me (not to my face that is..), so to piss them off, you generally have to do something pretty blatantly stupid or ignorant, which i think warrents a "you're an idiot, thread closed" anyway.

I get kinda pissed when I see a thread posted in the wrong forum, and I'm not even a mod. The forum rules are there for a reason, and I find them very reasonable. If I were a mod, half the noobs here would be probably be banned by their second week.

Personally I've never had serious problems with the mods, because I know the forum rules, and I follow them. The only time I ever remember a mod acting like a mod with me (as opposed to just communicating with another user) was when Temp closed one of my threads that got off-topic and was beginning beginning to get ugly, flame-wise. But I wasn't involved with the flaming, so when Temp PMed me about it, it was more of an apology than a reprimand.

The only problem I have at all with the mods and admins is the fact that if a thread is made regarding the closing of another specific thread, it almost always gets closed very quickly, with a mod saying to address such disputes through PM. To me, that makes it seem like the mod already knows he's right, and won't even consider his own fallibility. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case, but that's the impression I get.