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posted02/07/2008 04:05 PM (UTC)by
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cyrax29
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I was really just messing around with a bunch of tutorials on this one. I made the star background in gimp using a tut. I didn't really like the way the blood turned out, this is the first time I have made my own blood from scratch. So tell me what you think. And don't dare say it's a copy paste job or I will send an army of ninjas to smack you.
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Sub-Frost055
02/02/2008 03:37 AM (UTC)
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The only flaw is the Noob that's kneeling down isn't directly in back of the shadow that's pulling Cage on the left. He's in front. I'm not sure how to put this in a clearing way, but if you look at the picture, I'm pretty sure you'll know what I mean.

But other than that, it looks cool. I like the purple

4 out of 5

CHEERS!
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Iori9
02/02/2008 04:50 AM (UTC)
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Just a few color edits, the only original thing I see here is the blood on Johnny Cage but that ranges from OK-bad. Just work on your editing a bit more, but atleast you actually EDIT your stuff unlike some people. 2.5/5
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02/02/2008 06:43 AM (UTC)
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I'll just say that the feel of this fake isn't right. The sprites seem like they're just posing.. no sense of movement. The blood is awful in my opinion. There should be blood spewing from where Cage is being ripped in half... not just oozing [somewhat randomly] on his skin. With that, I say your blood dynamics are off (not realistic). If you wish to see how I would manage the blood spewing and oozing I can show you and the rest of the people who reply/view this thread. Per request only.

The idea is okay... a little dated I would say. It could be pulled off but you didn't really put much effort in the sprites. Perhaps I am used to seeing people include improved detail in their sprites. Yes, you can just use the classic designs and sprites, but take them a step further and increase their depth and shading. Make the sprites yours.

The background? It's no good. You have a foreground with awful shadows and a starry background. Are they fighting on an asteroid? Lame dude... I don't mind a starry background, but you need that middle ground to create that feel of depth and natural feel to it. Even if you would have just copy and pasted some mountains in front of the stars it would have seemed more natural.

Just for the record I don't do [serious] rating scores anymore. I've come to not believe in them. But I will say this:

It's crap, but make something better and we'll talk more.
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cyrax29
02/02/2008 01:21 PM (UTC)
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MKRocket Wrote:
If you wish to see how I would manage the blood spewing and oozing I can show you and the rest of the people who reply/view this thread. Per request only.

The background? It's no good. You have a foreground with awful shadows and a starry background. Are they fighting on an asteroid? Lame dude... I don't mind a starry background, but you need that middle ground to create that feel of depth and natural feel to it. Even if you would have just copy and pasted some mountains in front of the stars it would have seemed more natural.

Just for the record I don't do [serious] rating scores anymore. I've come to not believe in them. But I will say this:

It's crap, but make something better and we'll talk more.


Thank you for your helpful critisism. I really appreciate it (I really do!). Oh and about the blood, like I said it was my first from scratch blood job and I wanted the blood to be spewing out from his body but everytime I tried it just didn't look right. I would love to see your concept.

Lori9 Wrote:
Just a few color edits, the only original thing I see here is the blood on Johnny Cage but that ranges from OK-bad. Just work on your editing a bit more, but atleast you actually EDIT your stuff unlike some people. 2.5/5
That's it I'm sending those ninjas. Jks, but I must correct you as that Johnny Cage sprite is edited, you won't find johnny cage with his arms out being ripped in half on mkw! Oh and like I said, the background is from scratch too so... I don't know... maybe you outta think, then retype.
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02/02/2008 10:23 PM (UTC)
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cyrax29 Wrote:
That's it I'm sending those ninjas. Jks, but I must correct you as that Johnny Cage sprite is edited, you won't find johnny cage with his arms out being ripped in half on mkw! Oh and like I said, the background is from scratch too so... I don't know... maybe you outta think, then retype.


Don't be afraid to be creative... you can make ripped in half from sprites and sheer creativity.

In other news here is my mini-tutorial/example for you. I tried to optimize the files for them to not to be as demanding on bandwidth and download time.










-Edit2: Lol, I messed up the forum code... don't quote me... lolol.
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02/02/2008 11:26 PM (UTC)
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can I get refund on present
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jk, it in middle. it not bad but it not good
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cyrax29
02/03/2008 01:32 AM (UTC)
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Ahhh, I get you now MKRocket, thank you so much. I now know how to make blood. I'll make another fake and take in what you have taught me, sensei...I took it too far didn't I?
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02/03/2008 06:42 AM (UTC)
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cyrax29 Wrote:
Ahhh, I get you now MKRocket, thank you so much. I now know how to make blood. I'll make another fake and take in what you have taught me, sensei...I took it too far didn't I?


You took the oozing blood on the body too far, yes, but you didn't do enough on the blood squirting from the body halves from each other. In your fake it seems that they just held their positions until the blood oozed out, giving the feeling of them just being stationary. Effective blood effects can create a sense of movement and action.

I'm glad someone is actually taking in some constructive criticisms and applying it to their works. But then again, your next fake will show me volumes of how you take in and apply effectively or ineffectively. I await your next. Take your time.. be precise.
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fedegita
02/03/2008 08:19 AM (UTC)
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MKRocket Wrote:
I'm glad someone is actually taking in some constructive criticisms and applying it to their works.

Come on man I think the majority of fakers here take on board the rational advice given (esp when it's something as elaborate as an impromptu tutorial). Even if the fake-biz is down the tube atm you've got to give a little more credit to most of the individuals still sticking with it.

But yeah the fake reminds me a lot of my first one, which is cool. Good attention to detail on things like the lifebars and shadows but everything else needs work on it (I dont think the blood is that bad, just needs to have more shading). Though you just slapped two pics together for the background and did a bad job changing the floor colour it's still nice.
Very good for a first attempt.
EDIT: I'd like to see how many DP's you get for that tutorial MKR. I dont think ive ever seen anyone give such an elaborate criticism before.
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02/03/2008 02:06 PM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
Come on man I think the majority of fakers here take on board the rational advice given (esp when it's something as elaborate as an impromptu tutorial). Even if the fake-biz is down the tube atm you've got to give a little more credit to most of the individuals still sticking with it.

EDIT: I'd like to see how many DP's you get for that tutorial MKR. I dont think ive ever seen anyone give such an elaborate criticism before.


Eh, I'm just not seeing a whole lot of people taking constructive criticism and applying overall. Yes, I see some people begin to pick up some skill, but with the flood of people who just give 4-5/5s and bullshit like that give off the impression that a fake is near flawless to godly. That of which, has not happened in years, my friend. I don't even consider my fakes/sprites 4 or 5s out of 5, it's just not realistic. Sure, I may do certain aspects very well, but overall, through lack of regular fake making, I don't have that 5/5 kind of material [yet/anymore].

Oh, I just want to say... I have seen a lot of good to great fake makers over my years of lurking on MK forums, and a lot of times an artist will hit a creative wall. Now, this could be one of two things. One, is the whole skill part. Some people usually peak out not very long as they learn some tricks and apply them. It could either be a mental thing or it could just be the fact that the usual CRAPtacular fake around here gets on average [hypothetically] at least a 4/5, not to mention the 5/5s and the someone shallow but experienced people's 1/5s, but that's another story for another day.

The other creative wall, in fact the one that I face now, is just that, a creative wall. You come to a point where you have seen everything [you think] is possible with a sprite and you just run out of ideas. In fact, I have pondered on some days on remaking my old fakes, just because I can't think of something original that I can express with sprites. If I start doing that, I will allow you guys to start calling me EA games or Capcom if you wish, lol...

On the whole dp thing. It doesn't make or break whether or not I get them, seeing as A) I dicked up the forums coding for my post [on accident] and B) I have like 3 dp lifetime. But whatever comes, comes, I guess... I was just trying to make a difference. If I get rewarded, great, if I don't, I don't mind.

I'm not trying to be a hard ass... but, I do want to make sure he gets the idea that he should try and improve. I just want to let him be sure of this before his ego gets too much for him to listen to anyone's constructive criticisms... I'm not saying any names, but I am sure we both know of a couple that just need their ego to be taken down a few notches.
Edit: Also, in after wall of text that 1/100 people will actually read. wink
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cyrax29
02/04/2008 08:36 AM (UTC)
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Well I read all the way through and I do agree with you. Everyone is acting as if the most average fakes are orgasmic. I don't get angry at people who rate low but when it is completley useless like "OMG that is teh suxx0rz 0/5" well that is what kinda annoys me. So basically if it is constructive critism its godamn good critism.
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UltimateRyu
02/04/2008 07:51 PM (UTC)
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Dejavu

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02/04/2008 08:15 PM (UTC)
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UltimateRyu Wrote:
Dejavu


Uhm, it's similiar but not the same. And don't even act like your fake's concept wasn't been done YEARS prior to you did it. Heh. Just about everything in the book has been done.
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fedegita
02/05/2008 07:47 AM (UTC)
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MKRocket Wrote:
Just about everything in the book has been done.


Indeed all art is theft (not literally of course wink)



Ahh memories ...
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UltimateRyu
02/06/2008 07:53 PM (UTC)
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Glad I was able to release the definitive version then
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02/06/2008 08:28 PM (UTC)
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UltimateRyu Wrote:
Glad I was able to release the definitive version then


Your vanity knows no limits does it?
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fedegita
02/06/2008 08:49 PM (UTC)
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MKRocket Wrote:

Your vanity knows no limits does it?


Only his ability to be laughed at XD
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UltimateRyu
02/06/2008 10:46 PM (UTC)
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No wonder all the vets left, I'm almost at that point too.*Remembers the good ol days* Ah well....
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fedegita
02/06/2008 10:57 PM (UTC)
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You can still live the good old days. Just release some more fakes and wait for everyone to tell you how bad they are like they've been doing for 4+ years.
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cyrax29
02/07/2008 10:06 AM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
Dejavu
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Well I had never even seen that fake before, plus mine is alot different than yours. I don't know what has gotten over you these last few years, it seems as though your ego has taken over.
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02/07/2008 04:05 PM (UTC)
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cyrax29 Wrote:
fedegita Wrote:
Dejavu
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Well I had never even seen that fake before, plus mine is alot different than yours. I don't know what has gotten over you these last few years, it seems as though your ego has taken over.


Something is wrong with your post there... Though I'm sure you meant Ultimate Ryu instead of Fedegita.
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