If there was a good story, would you accept Bi-han independent from Noob Saibot
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posted05/29/2018 05:56 PM (UTC)by
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if there was a good Mortal Kombat Story, would you accept a storyline where Sareena frees Bi han from Noob Saibot and having them both playable in game.


Of course he will not go by the Title of Sub Zero but tells Sareena that he will not go by that title any more and let Kuai Lang keep it.

I am not opposed to have Frost to make a guest appearance to rely to Sub Zero a message to Kuai Lang to keep the title.

What is floating in my head, that Chapter 1 involves Sareena finds Noob Saibot and both of them have a fight. In an Endurance Match where You control both Sareena and Bi Han to fight Noob Saibot during a boss battle

As for Noob Saibot and Bi Han Relationship, there are several possible ways to take it if they became different characters.


One of the New Big Bads that could join Raiden is having Reiko working for him and pledging the brotherhood of the shadow to him and keep Evil Liu Kang and Kitana in check.


Personally I would have a smaller cast with a good story than shoe-horned fan favorite within the Story Mode.

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05/25/2018 03:44 AM (UTC)
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There is absolutely a way for this to happen. Even though none of the Armageddon endings could even remotely be considered "par-can" like the arcade ladder endings in games before it, there was a running theme that Bi-Han could be separated from Noob Saibot, and that they were, in some way, two conflicting entities.

Kuai Liang was even searching for a way to reclaim Bi-Han's soul during the Armageddon adventure mode.
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05/25/2018 09:50 AM (UTC)
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I would really like this, but if Bi-Han was added to the roster, how would he differentiate from Kuia Liang gameplay wise?
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05/25/2018 01:31 PM (UTC)
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with my idea, that Kuai Lang will not play a major part in this story. Mainly He would be training Lin Kuei and making sure that they are great defenders of Earthrealm and not repeating the mistakes of the older Lin Kuei Masters. Kuai Lang is a lot of things but he is no fool. So he is going to be an attentive Lin Kuei Master.


So For story reasons, I rather limit the ice throwing ninjas. But I am not opposed to have a return of Smoke for extra allied Lin Kuei.


I know that Noob Saibot is popular and so is Sub Zero. To have something different while balancing what fans want would make the New Mortal Kombat possibly good.


I would have Noob Saibot as an ally of Bi-han but I would keep Noob Saibot as the Token Evil Teammate.


I am not opposed to have Ashrah, or the Oni Duo of Drahmin and Moloch returning.


I would have Reiko having a major role and having him one of the Leaders of the Brotherhood of Shadow due to the disappearance of Quan Chi and Shinnok. And his "loyalities" to Raiden will be more of a powerplay to gain more power and become the New Kahn. He would have his iconic Outworld armor and Brotherhood of Shadow Outfit thru out the story.



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05/25/2018 03:36 PM (UTC)
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I honestly think all is as it should be. Bi Han was warned where his path would ultimately lead and did nothing to alter his destiny. Noob Saibot is Bi Han embracing his fate and ultimately accepting that redemption is beyond him. He’s not only accepted it, but seems to revel in it. That to me is far more interesting than Noob and Bi Han becoming two separate entities.
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05/25/2018 04:12 PM (UTC)
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Detox Wrote:
I honestly think all is as it should be. Bi Han was warned where his path would ultimately lead and did nothing to alter his destiny. Noob Saibot is Bi Han embracing his fate and ultimately accepting that redemption is beyond him. He’s not only accepted it, but seems to revel in it. That to me is far more interesting than Noob and Bi Han becoming two separate entities.


Well If you read the MK1 Ending for Bi Han, it does say that he does retire from his dangerous profession after he kills Shang Tsung. Intent within the endings regardless of timelines will help to understand the characters.

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05/25/2018 05:26 PM (UTC)
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DeathScepter Wrote:
Detox Wrote:
I honestly think all is as it should be. Bi Han was warned where his path would ultimately lead and did nothing to alter his destiny. Noob Saibot is Bi Han embracing his fate and ultimately accepting that redemption is beyond him. He’s not only accepted it, but seems to revel in it. That to me is far more interesting than Noob and Bi Han becoming two separate entities.


Well If you read the MK1 Ending for Bi Han, it does say that he does retire from his dangerous profession after he kills Shang Tsung. Intent within the endings regardless of timelines will help to understand the characters.



No matter his eventual choice in either timeline, he falls to Scorpion before he can even begin to think about making things right. And look at Bi Han before his death in either timeline. The original, he’s happily going about his business as an assassin. In the new timeline, he’s actively trying to help Outworld win the tournament and bring about the fall of Earthrealm! Regardless of his future intentions (if we can even assume his mk1 ending was truly what was intended) he was still knee deep in the same sinister shit he always had been.

Once again, I’m happy with who the character has become. Not to say I’m not open to any changes should they make sense.
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05/28/2018 10:31 AM (UTC)
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Detox Wrote:
DeathScepter Wrote:
Detox Wrote:
I honestly think all is as it should be. Bi Han was warned where his path would ultimately lead and did nothing to alter his destiny. Noob Saibot is Bi Han embracing his fate and ultimately accepting that redemption is beyond him. He’s not only accepted it, but seems to revel in it. That to me is far more interesting than Noob and Bi Han becoming two separate entities.


Well If you read the MK1 Ending for Bi Han, it does say that he does retire from his dangerous profession after he kills Shang Tsung. Intent within the endings regardless of timelines will help to understand the characters.



No matter his eventual choice in either timeline, he falls to Scorpion before he can even begin to think about making things right. And look at Bi Han before his death in either timeline. The original, he’s happily going about his business as an assassin. In the new timeline, he’s actively trying to help Outworld win the tournament and bring about the fall of Earthrealm! Regardless of his future intentions (if we can even assume his mk1 ending was truly what was intended) he was still knee deep in the same sinister shit he always had been.

Once again, I’m happy with who the character has become. Not to say I’m not open to any changes should they make sense.


I thought they were the same timeline up until the beginning of Mortal Kombat 1?
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05/28/2018 05:31 PM (UTC)
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Thatoneguy Wrote:
Detox Wrote:
DeathScepter Wrote:
Detox Wrote:
I honestly think all is as it should be. Bi Han was warned where his path would ultimately lead and did nothing to alter his destiny. Noob Saibot is Bi Han embracing his fate and ultimately accepting that redemption is beyond him. He’s not only accepted it, but seems to revel in it. That to me is far more interesting than Noob and Bi Han becoming two separate entities.


Well If you read the MK1 Ending for Bi Han, it does say that he does retire from his dangerous profession after he kills Shang Tsung. Intent within the endings regardless of timelines will help to understand the characters.



No matter his eventual choice in either timeline, he falls to Scorpion before he can even begin to think about making things right. And look at Bi Han before his death in either timeline. The original, he’s happily going about his business as an assassin. In the new timeline, he’s actively trying to help Outworld win the tournament and bring about the fall of Earthrealm! Regardless of his future intentions (if we can even assume his mk1 ending was truly what was intended) he was still knee deep in the same sinister shit he always had been.

Once again, I’m happy with who the character has become. Not to say I’m not open to any changes should they make sense.


I thought they were the same timeline up until the beginning of Mortal Kombat 1?


they are the same timeline up until the beginning of Mortal Kombat 1. As for me, I do want the next Mortal Kombat game to very good storyline wise while offering something new while respecting the fans. I know that Noob Saibot is very popular so is Sub Zero. In my original poster and intent of it, to have a Sub Zero and Noob Saibot while having something different.

Bi Han is very different from His little brother. at the best of times, Bi Han is very much an anti hero and the worst an Anti villain.
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05/29/2018 05:56 PM (UTC)
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Detox Wrote:
I honestly think all is as it should be. Bi Han was warned where his path would ultimately lead and did nothing to alter his destiny. Noob Saibot is Bi Han embracing his fate and ultimately accepting that redemption is beyond him. He’s not only accepted it, but seems to revel in it. That to me is far more interesting than Noob and Bi Han becoming two separate entities.


Despite my original comment in this thread I am also completely onboard with Detox on this. Yes, Bi-Han could theoretically be separated from Noob Saibot. He's not entirely an evil prick (his mercy toward Sareena, assisting Raiden), but his soul IS corrupt, and Noob Saibot reflects the dark entity that Bi-Han had become. I agree that all is as it should be.

I've known Shang_Heihachi for a long damn time, personally outside of MKO. I remember him being pretty much the first person in the fan base to propose that Noob was actually the twisted reincarnation of Sub-Zero, and this was back in '99 when MK4 hit home consoles. We had talked about it at length many times before he proposed it here on MK5.org/MKO. I thought he was nuts but the idea was sound, and when they finally made it canon, he felt pretty vindicated about it, and I was pretty surprised in a positive way.

I'd like to think that he either caught on to what they wanted to do early on, or they acknowledged that he and a few others that got on board with the idea were on to something good for the character's evolution, so they adopted the fan theory.

In retrospect, it has made the character that much more interesting and relevant to MK. Noob's absence in MKX was practically unforgivable, considering the fact that the Netherrealm factored in so much, and Kuai Liang's evolution as a character, which involved him returning from death, would have been a major story point. Not the least of which is Scorpion returning to life as well.

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