In retrospect have there been any hints of Kronika?
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posted01/18/2019 05:33 PM (UTC)by
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UltimateRyu
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Boon says she’s been running things behind the scenes since MK1. The only thing I can think of is reference to the One Being. Maybe she is the physical incarnation of it. Were there any other hints that we overlooked, be it in some background icon/mural detail or dialogue?

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FistfulOfDatas
01/18/2019 05:39 PM (UTC)
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I seriously doubt it. We all know they don't plan the story out multiple installments in advance like that. lol. Her having run things behind the scenes since MK1 is totally shoehorned in.

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UltimateRyu
01/18/2019 05:49 PM (UTC)
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I seriously doubt it. We all know they don't plan the story out multiple installments in advance like that. lol. Her having run things behind the scenes since MK1 is totally shoehorned in.

I don’t know, I wouldn’t put it past Boon. He’s the master of deception. He did connect Torch to Blaze and turn rumors into real kontent.

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01/18/2019 06:13 PM (UTC)
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I would only say in Jade's MK9 ending it could have been Kronika in the ending. That is about it to be honest of the top of my head.

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I seriously doubt it. We all know they don't plan the story out multiple installments in advance like that. lol. Her having run things behind the scenes since MK1 is totally shoehorned in.

I believe he didn't mean they planned her since MK1 but LOREWISE she's been around since MK1 timeline, which they probably will explain in the Story Mode.

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Gillbob316
01/18/2019 06:50 PM (UTC)Edited 01/18/2019 06:59 PM (UTC)
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I would only say in Jade's MK9 ending it could have been Kronika in the ending. That is about it to be honest of the top of my head.

I would imagine even if they had no idea where they were going with Jade's ending at the time of MK9, they'll probably retroactively turn Kronika into the chick from Jade's ending just to create the illusion they had a plan. (Which is why I think Jade's odds of returning are actually really good.)

Granted, the chick from Jade's ending looks nothing like Kronika, but then, Onaga looked nothing like the Dragon King in the MKDA endings either. Heck, half the cast looks nothing like they did in previous installments from game to game. So. Her look is easily ignored.

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Tetra Vega
01/19/2019 05:46 AM (UTC)Edited 01/19/2019 05:54 AM (UTC)
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Aside from Jade's ending, the only other I can think of is Raiden's MK1 ending about the Battle of the Sans. Nobody was specifically mentioned or shown, but Raiden's arrogance/aggression, and meddling have been konsistent themes for several games, and at least 2 timelines/cycles. There had to be a reason time reset at Armageddon. Maybe Raiden losing tipped the balance too far Evil, and Kronika stepped in like she just did for Shinnok. Or the visions Raiden recieved in MK9 were showing him dying as a deterrent that encouraged him more, and the others were so he'd doubt/second guess his meddling, but again backfired encouraging him more. Now she's pissed n konfronting him direktly as Raiden won't take a hint.

Is Kronika an Elder God or is she something even higher than them?

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lastfighter89
01/19/2019 09:09 AM (UTC)
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My educated guess is that she is one of the "Furies" mentioned in the Mk1 and 2 intros and never again heard of in the lore.

The Mk tournament was born to balance the Furies basically the fabric of the universe, Kronika must balance good and evil, both of them make the universe.

Kronika being an elder God makes no sense as she helped Raiden in the past against Shao Kahn and Shinnok.

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01/19/2019 05:14 PM (UTC)Edited 01/19/2019 05:16 PM (UTC)
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Of course there was a hint! Ed put it bluntly in Shao Kahn's trading card video many years ago - how he always loved the idea of having someone else. And now we even have an add that asks "who's next"? So let's see:

MK1: Shang Tsung - nope, old fart's not good enough, so we have:

MK2&3: emperor Shao Kahn - ah, ok but he has a lack of wardrobe, nope, next:

MK4: elder god Shinnok - he could've been ok, but nope, we don't want a bishop, next:

MK:DA: Shang and Quan - oh, yes, because lackeys who had theis butts handed to them previously will work better, next:

MK:D: Onaga - because emperor and a god were not enough, but people did not like him that much so... next:

MK:D and MK:A One Being - now you have a boss, though no one has seen it/him/her (cross out the unnecessary); oh, and don't forget about blaze but who cares for a burning naked guy, so WHO's NEXT?!

Um... or maybe we got too far in this next-ing, so what do we do? Rewind! Get rid of everything else. Kill Shang, Shao, Shinnok and now we have a cross between that chick from the short Overwatch movie and Chucky doll (because she has to be ugly so you won't fell bad beating her XD).

So... WHO's NEXT?! (I honestly dread to think...)

PS. Sorry, but I had to vent. :)

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natedogg1987
01/19/2019 08:35 PM (UTC)
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No. This is just like D'Vorah now being canon in MK2 per the MKX story mode. There is no way there were hints of that back in 1993

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Gillbob316
01/19/2019 09:20 PM (UTC)
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Of course there was a hint! Ed put it bluntly in Shao Kahn's trading card video many years ago - how he always loved the idea of having someone else. And now we even have an add that asks "who's next"? So let's see:

MK1: Shang Tsung - nope, old fart's not good enough, so we have:

MK2&3: emperor Shao Kahn - ah, ok but he has a lack of wardrobe, nope, next:

MK4: elder god Shinnok - he could've been ok, but nope, we don't want a bishop, next:

MK:DA: Shang and Quan - oh, yes, because lackeys who had theis butts handed to them previously will work better, next:

MK:D: Onaga - because emperor and a god were not enough, but people did not like him that much so... next:

MK:D and MK:A One Being - now you have a boss, though no one has seen it/him/her (cross out the unnecessary); oh, and don't forget about blaze but who cares for a burning naked guy, so WHO's NEXT?!

Um... or maybe we got too far in this next-ing, so what do we do? Rewind! Get rid of everything else. Kill Shang, Shao, Shinnok and now we have a cross between that chick from the short Overwatch movie and Chucky doll (because she has to be ugly so you won't fell bad beating her XD).

So... WHO's NEXT?! (I honestly dread to think...)

PS. Sorry, but I had to vent. :)

I have no idea what this post was getting at.

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01/19/2019 10:28 PM (UTC)
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I have no idea what this post was getting at.

Really? The OP asked if that chick was hinted in the past. And my short albeit weird story showed that Boon likes creating bigger and bigger characters. First you have a sorcerer, then an emperor, then a god, then emperor with power of a god, then one being which can be considered a super sayian god. But even that is not enough. Now we have a goddess of time who can rewind everything. So everyone can safely assume that he hinted at someone bigger. Unfortunately this pattern leads nowhere. My heart aches for a complete reboot (she turns back time to MK1, not like MK9 which is a continuation), knowing that MK is now property of WB who is also the owner of DC and they have a complete reboot every few years to clean up the mess that was created during years. But seeing as the series has been handled, I don't have much hope.

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riki0017
01/19/2019 10:47 PM (UTC)
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So by the way who the hell is Kronika?

It makes no sense for her to be an elder goddess, if she comes to Shinnok to tell him that he is going to be alive again, because she turns back time.

Elder gods foresee the future, and they know that Sinnok's will is to destroy them. So why would she helped him then? I think she is something more than an elder god, or she might have worked with Shinnok all this time?

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01/19/2019 11:16 PM (UTC)
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So by the way who the hell is Kronika?

It makes no sense for her to be an elder goddess, if she comes to Shinnok to tell him that he is going to be alive again, because she turns back time.

Elder gods foresee the future, and they know that Sinnok's will is to destroy them. So why would she helped him then? I think she is something more than an elder god, or she might have worked with Shinnok all this time?

As for now she is the top of the food-chain. Whatever she says - goes. Like a kid with an ant-farm.

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UltimateRyu
02/17/2019 01:50 PM (UTC)
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Guys check out this image that someone over at Reddit posted. Looks like Kronika to me:

https://i.redd.it/z9qsbmn2p0h21.jpg

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Spider804
02/17/2019 05:05 PM (UTC)
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Goddess Kronika, I presume.

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XaeeD
02/17/2019 05:15 PM (UTC)
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"In retrospect have there been any hints of Kronika?"

Absolutely not, this has to be a categorical denial, because Kronika simply didn't exist in anyone's mind until someone came up with the character for Mortal Kombat 11 specifically. So of course she's not part of anything that came before MK11. The only thing you can do now is go back to the previous games/lore, and try to interpret certain elements in a new light, so that you force Kronika into the established histories. But she never actually was in any of it, because the MK storyline is being written one game at a time.

You can do this from a writer's point of view, I don't have any issues with it; but you can't pretend as if she was being hinted at in the past.

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mkfan903
02/17/2019 06:28 PM (UTC)
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Nope. Not at all. She's just shoehorned for this installment & will probably be irrelevant when MK12 arrives.

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02/17/2019 07:43 PM (UTC)
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UltimateRyu

Guys check out this image that someone over at Reddit posted. Looks like Kronika to me:

https://i.redd.it/z9qsbmn2p0h21.jpg

I just saw this last night! Not sure if it’s just a nice piece of coincidence or not, but very cool indeed.

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Onaga
02/17/2019 07:48 PM (UTC)Edited 02/17/2019 07:53 PM (UTC)
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Look I don't mean to be a dick but no. Come on NRS has proven time and time again that they don't think that far ahead and just make something out of nothing with the next game. Some times the chips coincidentally fall into place like with Noob Siabot other times it's just retroactive recontextualization like with Blaze or Reptile turning more and more into a lizard.

George Lucas didn't have all of Star Wars already planned out from the start and NRS certainly did not conceive Kronika before it came time to develop MK11.

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ErmaSco
02/17/2019 08:15 PM (UTC)
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MK1's mirror match ?

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XaeeD
02/17/2019 08:52 PM (UTC)
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Not sure if it’s just a nice piece of coincidence or not

No what happened there is quite obvious. The artist who designed the Jinsei Chamber for MKX just drew a random female head. Then when they designed Kronika for MK11, they revisited the Jinsei Chamber arena, and used the stone lady's head as a basis for their new Kronika design. That way, it appears as if she already existed in a previous game, but in reality, she didn't. This is like first century Christians going through Old Testament sayings, and incorporating them into their own writings; giving the impression that the old verses were hinting at future events, and by using those same verses in their own literature, future Christians could claim that OT prophecies were being fulfilled in the early first century: hallelujah! No offence to Christians of course, I just think that's a similar/comparable situation.

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02/17/2019 09:34 PM (UTC)
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Not sure if it’s just a nice piece of coincidence or not

No what happened there is quite obvious. The artist who designed the Jinsei Chamber for MKX just drew a random female head. Then when they designed Kronika for MK11, they revisited the Jinsei Chamber arena, and used the stone lady's head as a basis for their new Kronika design. That way, it appears as if she already existed in a previous game, but in reality, she didn't.

Sure. It’s obvious that the Jinsei chamber is a pretty important place and the markings and figures on the wall are implied to have a bit of importance to the lore(as shown with Raiden striking down Shinnok) even if a lot of it is not implicitly stated. I have no problem with the team going back and giving context to some of this stuff and making it important, even if it was just a face some artist drew on a wall.

So yeah, pretty cool.

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riki0017
04/01/2019 12:33 PM (UTC)
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Yes. But if one of the stone heads in the Jinsei chamber is indeed Kronika then who are the other two? They must be as powerful as her then, or at least control sonething as big as her like time.

Maybe the one being is space and Kronika is time but then again who is the third one? XP lol

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Spirit_Wolf
04/02/2019 12:58 PM (UTC)
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UltimateRyu
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I seriously doubt it. We all know they don't plan the story out multiple installments in advance like that. lol. Her having run things behind the scenes since MK1 is totally shoehorned in.

I don’t know, I wouldn’t put it past Boon. He’s the master of deception. He did connect Torch to Blaze and turn rumors into real kontent.

Oh Come on, you seriously don't believe that. Mortal Kombat was just a product of it's time and was practically based on a lot movies and themes from the years before it ("Big Trouble in Little China" and "Bloodsport" being some of them). They probably wouldn't even be able to dream about MK getting as big as it is now. It was just a simple arcade-fighting game with a simple background story for its characters and that was it.

I think you are taking the things that are being said too literally.

Also:
" Mortal Kombat started development in 1991 with only four people: Ed Boon (programming), John Tobias (art and story), John Vogel (graphics), and Dan Forden (sound design) "

" the first game actually had began as a ninja-themed project by John Tobias (a young new employee of Midway Games at the time) and them as well as Carlos Pesina, however their pitch to Tobias' boss Ed Boon was rejected by the entire management of Midway. ... Tobias imagined a fighting game featuring a digitized version of Van Damme. Intending to make a game "a lot more hard edge, a little bit more serious, a little bit more like Enter the Dragon or Bloodsport" than contemporary cartoonish style fighting games, Tobias and Boon decided to continue their project even after the deal to use the Bloodsport license fell through. "
And a lot more to read on wiki.

They are retro-fitting the story, it's not part of an elaborate plan from its incarnation. Ed Boon was the programmer of Mortal Kombat and may have more commercial feel for things, but John Tobias was the one creating the story and such.

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