NPC’s in Story Mode
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posted04/09/2019 05:53 PM (UTC)by
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NRS has already confirmed that they wouldn’t have NPC fights in story mode because of the backlash from mkx.

That being said, there still very well could be NPC’s littered through out story mode cut scenes. I for one am in favor of this because in a plot that is this expansive it would not make sense for characters like reptile, mileena, Fujin, ermac, and others to not at least be referenced. I would rather see them than have them completely absent.

So, would you like to have NPC’s in the story mode? Or would you prefer to not be teased at all?

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04/09/2019 05:59 PM (UTC)
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I wouldn't mind as far as story potential. However, seeing all the insufferable "well there model is in the game already, just make them playable" tweets that will assuredly follow, makes me think twice.

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04/09/2019 06:13 PM (UTC)
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I would like NPC's and NPC fights but considering the backlash NRS got there will not be NPC fights and I really doubt there will be NPC characters this time round. Such a shame if that happened.

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04/09/2019 06:24 PM (UTC)Edited 04/09/2019 06:26 PM (UTC)
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So Shao Kahn won't play a big role in the story then, and possibly only has that one fight with Kotal, which was in a cutscene.

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04/09/2019 06:44 PM (UTC)Edited 04/09/2019 06:47 PM (UTC)
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There's a way to do NPC fights without mucking it up like NRS did.

Having fans fight against a non-playable fan-favorite sporting a brand-spanking new design? Bad. It's the ultimate tease and a frustrating one.

Bad move. Glad they won't be back.

As far as NPCs in cut scenes, I don't care really.

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04/09/2019 07:12 PM (UTC)
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Fightable NPCs? No, too much blue balling last time to be put through that again. NPC cameos on the other hand? Yes, especially given the scope of the story. I think it's pretty likely we'll be getting a decent number of cameos, since each MK game is bigger in budget and scope than the last.

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04/09/2019 07:33 PM (UTC)Edited 04/09/2019 09:02 PM (UTC)
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I wouldn't mind as far as story potential. However, seeing all the insufferable "well there model is in the game already, just make them playable" tweets that will assuredly follow, makes me think twice.

So true. The fans really ruin a lot of things with their ignorance.

Mkx NPC fights had new models and exact same moveset as mk9... which means that NRS has ONE department (modeling) working on those characters.

It takes a lot more work to make a balanced character with new moveset.

Now, it definitely was a tease! But I’d rather see more characters in story mode to get the best story possible.

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ballerj91
04/10/2019 02:21 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

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Gillbob316
04/10/2019 03:16 PM (UTC)
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I COULD BE WRONG HERE...

But did they ever ACTUALLY CONFIRM there wouldn't be NPC fights in story mode, or is that just rampantly spread speculation that people have now taken to regarding as fact?

Here's my memory of events...

  • MKX released. People quickly discovered there were story fights with Rain, Tanya, Baraka & Sindel.
  • People quickly jumped to the conclusion that since these characters were quote unquote "half done" they were shoe-ins for DLC (This only proved true for Tanya) (Note: I say quote unquote, because one could argue they weren't half done, but many people jumped to the conclusion they were. I'm not saying they were, and NRS argued they weren't. But that was how many fans perceived the situation at the time.)
  • Because the other 3 characters never became DLC, there was backlash against NRS for not giving players characters that were essentially "half done" (See prior half done note)
  • Because of said backlash, I seem to recall a developer commented that Boon had been soured on the idea of including NPC fights in the future, and it wasn't likely to happen again going forward.
  • I'm not even sure Boon himself ever actually commented on it (though it was 4 years ago, I could be wrong)

That was the last I ever remember hearing about it. Roughly 4 years ago. But now people go around saying, "NRS confirmed no more NPC fights" and "Boon said no more NPC fights" and I wonder, "Did they though?"

Honestly third hand information gets spread around this community as fact so fast, I at times forget what we actually know, and what people just think they know. For instance, Boon offhandedly mentioned they were unlikely to repeat DLC from MK9 in MKX once four years ago, and now people go around saying, "Boon confirmed no repeat DLC!" like it's a friggin' sacred law or something. Not to mention that smartass remark he made about Noob being the main character & Saibot being the clone recently resurfaced, and now people are throwing it around like it's a hard canon fact, and not just Boon making a Boon joke 4 years ago.

ANYWAY...

I have a faint memory from back on reveal day in January that maybe NPC fights were in fact deconfirmed in one of the many interviews conducted. So I'm uncertain. Which is why I started this post with "I could be wrong here" ... can anyone confirm they actually deconfirmed that? (Like... with an actual link)

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04/10/2019 03:20 PM (UTC)
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NPC fights? I agree probably best if left out. In cut scenes? I think definitely they should be there.

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04/10/2019 03:59 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

You can stop with name calling. That isn't needed.

Also, Rain fans weren't the only people who voiced their discomfort with NPC fights. Nobody was "spooked" by anyone- NRS heard the fanbase and simply acted on that.

That's all.

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04/10/2019 04:12 PM (UTC)
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@Gillbob316

i remember hearing that NPC fights were absent from story mode at the release event... but goddamn now I’m not sure if I just read it here

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04/10/2019 04:37 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster... it's obvious the devs fucked up.
So the only troll here is you, trying to get a rise out of people with your bitchy comment.

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04/10/2019 04:59 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster... it's obvious the devs fucked up.
So the only troll here is you, trying to get a rise out of people with your bitchy comment.

Actually I'm not responsible for you misinterpreting my comment which is merely my perspective regarding this topic (NPS - the OP). You may disagree with me, but don't be so sensitive. There's a whole world out there.

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04/10/2019 05:18 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster...

One more thing, why are you lying here? The NPCs of MKX (Rain and Sindel) were absolutely not "more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster. Rain was particularly irrelevant, serving as folly for early Story Mode chapters.

Sindel was arguably more relevent, however, people absolutely did not come out in droves (that as you can see still exist to this day) the way they did about Rain. Particularly after Kombat Pack 2 was revealed.

I am not here to argue nor pander Apologies to the ever sensitive and ever boisterous Rain audience, sincerely.

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04/10/2019 05:26 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

You can stop with name calling. That isn't needed.

Also, Rain fans weren't the only people who voiced their discomfort with NPC fights. Nobody was "spooked" by anyone- NRS heard the fanbase and simply acted on that.

That's all.

Sure, apologies for the language, I do assume I'm speaking with adults on this forum often, and forget that there are children here too. My bad.

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04/10/2019 05:49 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster... it's obvious the devs fucked up.
So the only troll here is you, trying to get a rise out of people with your bitchy comment.

Actually I'm not responsible for you misinterpreting my comment which is merely my perspective regarding this topic (NPS - the OP). You may disagree with me, but don't be so sensitive. There's a whole world out there.

Yeah I’m not sure how your comment got Misconstrued... but it managed to piss two people off LOL.

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04/10/2019 06:07 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster... it's obvious the devs fucked up.
So the only troll here is you, trying to get a rise out of people with your bitchy comment.

Actually I'm not responsible for you misinterpreting my comment which is merely my perspective regarding this topic (NPS - the OP). You may disagree with me, but don't be so sensitive. There's a whole world out there.

Yeah I’m not sure how your comment got Misconstrued... but it managed to piss two people off LOL.

For what it's worth, I don't want to get into the why and how of your delivery, and why it should or shouldn't have pissed anyone off, but I agree with your original point that it was assholes barking at NRS about the NPC fights that put them off doing it again. They more or less said as much at the time. I don't know if spooked is the right word, but they were pretty clear that the backlash over those characters NOT being DLC made them regret putting them in as cameo fights in the first place. They thought it would be a fun treat for fans, but it turned out to be a headache-load of complaints.

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04/10/2019 07:34 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster...

One more thing, why are you lying here? The NPCs of MKX (Rain and Sindel) were absolutely not "more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster. Rain was particularly irrelevant, serving as folly for early Story Mode chapters.

Sindel was arguably more relevent, however, people absolutely did not come out in droves (that as you can see still exist to this day) the way they did about Rain. Particularly after Kombat Pack 2 was revealed.

I am not here to argue nor pander Apologies to the ever sensitive and ever boisterous Rain audience, sincerely.

Rain helped Mileena ambush Kotal's forces. He convinced Mileena to use Shinnok's amulet (which would weaken both sides and potentially allow himself the opportunity to take power). He fought off Kotal and saved Mileena. He later tried to stop D'Vorah from getting her mits on the amulet. He's a key figure in the Outworld civil war, and indirectly involved in the main plot by keeping the amulet away from people who would ressurect Shinnok.

Ermac goes from standing behind Mileena to standing behind Kotal. Defeats a bunch of nameless Tarkatans with the help of other characters. Learns of D'Vorah's betrayal with the help of others. Gets beaten up by FemJax. None of his actions affect the plot directly or indirectly. Considering 50% of his scene involve other characters, if you take him out, those other characters would've still acheived the same thing.

Erron Black has almost the same scenes as Ermac, but also has a filler-fight with Jin to help pad out Jin's chapter. Erron's only important scene is that he fails to finish off Rain, leading to his and Mileena's escape with the amulet.

Reptile has the same scenes as the previous two. Any one or two of these cahracter could've been dropped form those scenes. They're all interchangeable and could even be replaced by nameless NPCs. Reptiles most useful / important thing was to reveal Mileena's origins which made Ermac switch sides.

Kano stole Shinnok's amulet and sold it to Mileena, but that happened off-screen during the time-skip. His on-screen time was a failed attempt to kill Kotal, and later getting beat up by Sonya. Oh, I think he reveals the location of the amulet, but that was offscreen too.

Ferra & Torr and nothing more than a generic background NPC-like character that only appears twice to pad out another characters chapter.

Kitana and Sindel are just background enforcers to Quan Chi. They don't do anything outside of getting beaten up similar to Ferra&Torr. Kitana is only in the playable roster because she's Kitana.

Jax filled the same role as Kitana at the start of the game. Then later was begged into joining a task force led by Kenshi and Sareena, which led to the capture of Quan Chi. Props to him for that one relevant thing but this could've easily have been Kenshi's chapter, and probably should've been.

FemJax was nothing more than a tag-along to the other, more relevant kombat kids. The most important thing she did was save Takeda from going blind by Reptile, with her magic healing spray from her "I'm a clone of my daddy" arms.

Sub-Zero beat up the Kombat Kids as some sort of lesson on teamwork that didn't really have any payoff thanks to how the chapters are structured. He revealed to Scorpion the truth about Quan Chi and later he saved the Kombat Kids. I'd put him on par with Rain as far as how relevant he was.

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04/10/2019 07:40 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster... it's obvious the devs fucked up.
So the only troll here is you, trying to get a rise out of people with your bitchy comment.

Actually I'm not responsible for you misinterpreting my comment which is merely my perspective regarding this topic (NPS - the OP). You may disagree with me, but don't be so sensitive. There's a whole world out there.

Yeah I’m not sure how your comment got Misconstrued... but it managed to piss two people off LOL.

For what it's worth, I don't want to get into the why and how of your delivery, and why it should or shouldn't have pissed anyone off, but I agree with your original point that it was assholes barking at NRS about the NPC fights that put them off doing it again. They more or less said as much at the time. I don't know if spooked is the right word, but they were pretty clear that the backlash over those characters NOT being DLC made them regret putting them in as cameo fights in the first place. They thought it would be a fun treat for fans, but it turned out to be a headache-load of complaints.

Cameos done right: Li Mei, Sareena, Bo'Rai Cho, Fujin, Frost, Sindel, Smoke, Sektor, Tanya.

Cameo done wrong: Rain, Baraka.

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04/10/2019 07:45 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster... it's obvious the devs fucked up.
So the only troll here is you, trying to get a rise out of people with your bitchy comment.

Actually I'm not responsible for you misinterpreting my comment which is merely my perspective regarding this topic (NPS - the OP). You may disagree with me, but don't be so sensitive. There's a whole world out there.

Yeah I’m not sure how your comment got Misconstrued... but it managed to piss two people off LOL.

For what it's worth, I don't want to get into the why and how of your delivery, and why it should or shouldn't have pissed anyone off, but I agree with your original point that it was assholes barking at NRS about the NPC fights that put them off doing it again. They more or less said as much at the time. I don't know if spooked is the right word, but they were pretty clear that the backlash over those characters NOT being DLC made them regret putting them in as cameo fights in the first place. They thought it would be a fun treat for fans, but it turned out to be a headache-load of complaints.

Cameos done right: Li Mei, Sareena, Bo'Rai Cho, Fujin, Frost, Sindel, Smoke, Sektor, Tanya.

Cameo done wrong: Rain, Baraka.

I do not get it. What is the difference between Sindel and Rain/Baraka? All three were involved in 2 fights in story mode.

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04/10/2019 08:37 PM (UTC)Edited 04/10/2019 08:38 PM (UTC)
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I just hope NRS hasn’t become soured on the idea of any NPC cameos at all.

I understand the backlash to some degree on fightable NPC’s even tho the argument that they were “close to being complete characters” is just not accurate.

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04/10/2019 08:54 PM (UTC)
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Tease my ass, NPCs are like easter eggs and I like them. Assholes ruined it going forward though, Boon and company were spooked by the Rain weirdos trolling him online.

When an "easter egg" is more relevant and important to the story than 1/5th of the playable roster... it's obvious the devs fucked up.
So the only troll here is you, trying to get a rise out of people with your bitchy comment.

Actually I'm not responsible for you misinterpreting my comment which is merely my perspective regarding this topic (NPS - the OP). You may disagree with me, but don't be so sensitive. There's a whole world out there.

Yeah I’m not sure how your comment got Misconstrued... but it managed to piss two people off LOL.

For what it's worth, I don't want to get into the why and how of your delivery, and why it should or shouldn't have pissed anyone off, but I agree with your original point that it was assholes barking at NRS about the NPC fights that put them off doing it again. They more or less said as much at the time. I don't know if spooked is the right word, but they were pretty clear that the backlash over those characters NOT being DLC made them regret putting them in as cameo fights in the first place. They thought it would be a fun treat for fans, but it turned out to be a headache-load of complaints.

Cameos done right: Li Mei, Sareena, Bo'Rai Cho, Fujin, Frost, Sindel, Smoke, Sektor, Tanya.

Cameo done wrong: Rain, Baraka.

I do not get it. What is the difference between Sindel and Rain/Baraka? All three were involved in 2 fights in story mode.

I guess Baraka doesn't really do anything but get killed. So that's fine.

As for Rain, I listed that above.

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04/10/2019 09:59 PM (UTC)
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I thought the NPC fights were awesome in MKX but I can see why fans of those characters would’ve been pissed they probably should have become DLC instead of guests and Bo Rai Cho.

I am pretty sure they said no to the NPC fights but I remember reading that there would be heaps of cameos

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04/10/2019 10:52 PM (UTC)
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There's a way to do NPC fights without mucking it up like NRS did.

Having fans fight against a non-playable fan-favorite sporting a brand-spanking new design? Bad. It's the ultimate tease and a frustrating one.

Bad move. Glad they won't be back.

As far as NPCs in cut scenes, I don't care really.

It’s a double edged sword at best. If they put in the effort and update the models, “it’s such a tease, why even put them in if they’re not playable?”. If they put in NPC’s with minimal effort, “if they were just going to half ass it, why’d they even bother? This is such a slap in the face to insert character name!

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