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Reguarding Shangs Morph in the Liu Kang Vignette
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posted02/16/2011 07:09 PM (UTC)by
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look i don't know about anybody else's thought on shang's morphing ability but as a die hard fan since 1992- til now i could honestly say that shang tsung was way cooler with this ability than not and examples such mkvsdc and mkda and mka are full blown proof of this because lets be honest shang would probably been one of the best chararcters in those games if had then so i really hope and i'm probably not the only one who thinks this that shang can somehow can morph again because if he can then look out the only thing stopping this game from being full blown complete would be the inclusion of 4 legged motaro subboss battle and rain and then everyone would be ready for april 19 without a doubt. so who with me on this one?
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 •02/10/2011 08:39 PM (UTC) •
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i'll have to disagree on that one, as much as i want shang tsung to be able to morph into other characters, i dont think they should do that. Shang tsung should have his own moves that define his character. Fireballs, Teleport, Soul steal, these are more common aspects to his identity

Besides it would give him an unfair advantage, the only person that is allowed that kind of advantage would be the final boss (not saying shao khan should be able to morph)
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 •02/10/2011 08:48 PM (UTC) •
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Why the hell do people start new threads with topics that clearly belong in the main thread? Anyone? Bueller?sad
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 •02/10/2011 09:10 PM (UTC) •
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They should definitely bring back his morphing ability. It didn't give him an unfair advantage in MK2, if anything, it hindered him because while morphing he was vulnerable. You still had to know how to use the other characters too. And he had a reduced move set. All he had were the single, double and triple fireballs. Other characters had projectiles and another couple attacks.

The only thing I really hope they DON'T do is to make him like Mokujin where he morphs randomly and you don' t have any control over it. That would suck majorly.
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 •02/10/2011 09:15 PM (UTC) •
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I've said this before and I will say it again.

So long as we are working on a disc-based medium instead of a solid state cartridge system, morphs will never happen again.
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 •02/10/2011 09:20 PM (UTC) •
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I'm quite against Shang Tsung being able to morph. I feel that by getting his own moves over the years, it has given him more of his own personality.

However, if they were to put his morphing in, I wish they would limit it.

For example, when you pick your fighter, maybe it can let you pick 2 other fighters to be able to morph to. This way, they can already have the characters loaded so there is no stoppage in gameplay, and it would make it a little more balanced so you can't be every character in the game at once.

With Shang Tsung's morphing in the game, you'll see him online nonstop. People will just morph into a character that they feel has the advantage over their opponent.
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 •02/10/2011 09:23 PM (UTC) •
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I have to disagree with you on that. In trilogy he morphs fine, but you could only pick a select number of characters. With disc read technology today it is not out of the question, especially on a blu ray disc
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 •02/10/2011 09:24 PM (UTC) •
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dames Wrote:
look i don't know about anybody else's thought on shang's morphing ability but as a die hard fan since 1992- til now i could honestly say that shang tsung was way cooler with this ability than not and examples such mkvsdc and mkda and mka are full blown proof of this because lets be honest shang would probably been one of the best chararcters in those games if had then so i really hope and i'm probably not the only one who thinks this that shang can somehow can morph again because if he can then look out the only thing stopping this game from being full blown complete would be the inclusion of 4 legged motaro subboss battle and rain and then everyone would be ready for april 19 without a doubt. so who with me on this one?

Dude, you need to punctuate. If not for our sake, then for the children's sake.
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 •02/10/2011 09:25 PM (UTC) •
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Grimm Wrote:
I'm quite against Shang Tsung being able to morph. I feel that by getting his own moves over the years, it has given him more of his own personality.

However, if they were to put his morphing in, I wish they would limit it.

For example, when you pick your fighter, maybe it can let you pick 2 other fighters to be able to morph to. This way, they can already have the characters loaded so there is no stoppage in gameplay, and it would make it a little more balanced so you can't be every character in the game at once.

With Shang Tsung's morphing in the game, you'll see him online nonstop. People will just morph into a character that they feel has the advantage over their opponent.


I agree with all of this.
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 •02/10/2011 09:30 PM (UTC) •
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Nah, to me it is not Shang Tsung unless he morphs.
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 •02/10/2011 09:46 PM (UTC) •
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Grimm Wrote:
I'm quite against Shang Tsung being able to morph. I feel that by getting his own moves over the years, it has given him more of his own personality.

However, if they were to put his morphing in, I wish they would limit it.

For example, when you pick your fighter, maybe it can let you pick 2 other fighters to be able to morph to. This way, they can already have the characters loaded so there is no stoppage in gameplay, and it would make it a little more balanced so you can't be every character in the game at once.

With Shang Tsung's morphing in the game, you'll see him online nonstop. People will just morph into a character that they feel has the advantage over their opponent.


I think Shang's morph ability is a bit ridiculous. I'd prefer it if only the Boss version of him had that ability.
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 •02/10/2011 09:51 PM (UTC) •
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If I had to bet my life on the morphing being in or out, I would bet "in" for 2 reasons:

1- He had this ability in every game they are revisiting with this one

2- The morph effect shown in the video is *very* basic. I do 3D FX like this for a living, and something that simple could be done in less than an hour. If it were strictly theatrical, and not bound by the limits of their engine, they would want it to look a *lot* better than that. However, technology could very easily limit them to such a simplistic transition in-game.
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 •02/10/2011 10:10 PM (UTC) •
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Bezou Wrote:
I've said this before and I will say it again.

So long as we are working on a disc-based medium instead of a solid state cartridge system, morphs will never happen again.


Not true. All they need to do is include a partial hard drive install to specifically enable dynamic Shang Tsung morphing abilities.
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 •02/10/2011 10:12 PM (UTC) •
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Alright, then consider this.

As long as the team designing MK are lazy assholes who cut every possible corner, we will never again see Shang Tsung morphs.

Better? :P
If this game is going to be a serious tournament game now, this cant happen. either that or he would be banned at tournaments
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 •02/11/2011 12:02 AM (UTC) •
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TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
If this game is going to be a serious tournament game now, this cant happen. either that or he would be banned at tournaments


Why does everyone assume that just because he can morph, it automatically makes him "broken" or "god-tier"?
He was neither of these in MKII-MKT-
the benefit gained by morphing is offset by the vulnerability when he is morphing both in and out (the latter being completely beyond the player's control).
Not to mention you would have to be good with *several* characters to gain any real benefit, and most tournament players are only focused on one or two.

Look to his past before you condemn his future.
This game is *all about* the past.
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 •02/11/2011 12:04 AM (UTC) •
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When I played MKII at a tournament level, I always played with Shang.

And I never morphed.

Except into Kintaro.

Fatality.
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 •02/11/2011 01:52 AM (UTC) •
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drpvfx Wrote:
TheManWithTheGoldenGun Wrote:
If this game is going to be a serious tournament game now, this cant happen. either that or he would be banned at tournaments


Why does everyone assume that just because he can morph, it automatically makes him "broken" or "god-tier"?
He was neither of these in MKII-MKT-
the benefit gained by morphing is offset by the vulnerability when he is morphing both in and out (the latter being completely beyond the player's control).
Not to mention you would have to be good with *several* characters to gain any real benefit, and most tournament players are only focused on one or two.

Look to his past before you condemn his future.
This game is *all about* the past.
What this guy said.

I can't believe everyone on here is saying morphing automatically makes him broken. None of you must have ever played MK2 or 3. All it did was make him AWESOME.
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 •02/11/2011 11:12 AM (UTC) •
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Again, Shang WILL morph. It's not a question. Count on it.
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 •02/11/2011 12:49 PM (UTC) •
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Actually...
In UMK3 he had his straight fire skulls and the ones that errupt from beneath and some nice dial-a-combos

Not much has changed since except maybe adding the soul steal. I thought the teleport move was stupid and didn't suit his character. Not to mention everyone and their mother had a teleport move in MKvsDC

So, in short... Keep the soul steal move, add the morphs and all will be good.
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 •02/11/2011 03:15 PM (UTC) •
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Shang has nothing original about him other then his soul steal and morph. Give him the morph because it's not like he stays morphed until you command out of it; it ends on its own. That also will open many more interesting combos for him.
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 •02/11/2011 03:33 PM (UTC) •
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Grimm Wrote:
With Shang Tsung's morphing in the game, you'll see him online nonstop. People will just morph into a character that they feel has the advantage over their opponent.


... Then why bother playing as him if they're only going to morph into one specific character throughout the match?

I never took the advantage of Shang's morphing in previous games, he had decent combos and other special attacks. Hell, Deadly Alliance had great moves for him, especially with the fireballs.

To be honest, despite that I don't mind him morphing, I don't want to see it come back. If he's a boss character during story mode, hell, I wouldn't mind seeing him do what he did in Shaolin Monks.

He was a very fun boss fight.
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 •02/11/2011 03:38 PM (UTC) •
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Icebaby Wrote:
Grimm Wrote:
With Shang Tsung's morphing in the game, you'll see him online nonstop. People will just morph into a character that they feel has the advantage over their opponent.


... Then why bother playing as him if they're only going to morph into one specific character throughout the match?



Because if Mortal Kombat won't show you who your opponent is picking, then people will pick Shang Tsung to play it safe. This way, if they feel that Sonya has an advantage over Reptile, and their opponent picks Reptile, they can just morph into Sonya. If they feel that Kano has an advantage over Stryker, and their opponent picks Stryker, they can just morph into Kano, etc. etc.

My point being is that I never liked the fact that back in the MK2/MK3 days, all you had to do was pick Shang Tsung and you had everyone at your disposal.
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 •02/11/2011 03:55 PM (UTC) •
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Yeah But how many people accidentally turned into someone they didn't know and immediately got their shit wrecked?
Everyone. Everyone has turned into the wrong person or accidentally once.

So yeah everyone pick Shang online and they can screw up morph commands and lose.
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 •02/11/2011 03:55 PM (UTC) •
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As many people have already pointed out, morphs do not last very long and put you out of combat for a few seconds while you're morphing. This is a huge disadvantage in combat, which is why Shang Tsung was never a top tier character in the games in which he could morph.

If your opponent picks Reptile and you feel Sonya has a distinct advantage over Reptile, and you pick Shang, you will be spending half your time morphing back into Sonya to maintain that advantage, during which your opponent can destroy you. Therefore your advantage is not an advantage and you would've been better off picking a character you had mastered instead of one you think has an advantage over a particular other character.
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