What happened to Taven?
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What happened to Taven?
01/01/2014 01:20 PM EST
Hello guys, Im new to this site and I'm a huge fan of Mortal Kombat. My English is not my first lang so i can make mistakes, sorry ^^

Well in the end of MK: armageddon, Taven kills Blaze right? And also Onaga tokes Shao Kahn and flies away. Then how the hell did Shao Kahn won this war?
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01/01/2014 01:28 PM EST
Originally, they were gonna have Taven as the one to kill Blaze, but then they got the crazy idea to reboot/retcon the whole damn series and make Kahn the one who killed Burning Man. Because that's how they troll.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
01/01/2014 02:11 PM EST
torgonudho Wrote:
Then how the hell did Shao Kahn won this war?


Through the ability of poor writing and magic. tongue
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01/01/2014 08:53 PM EST
Yeah, basically the answer to your question is that there's no way to make sense of it. Lots of things in MK9 are poorly written and only happen because the writers WANTED them to happen, even if they don't make sense or go against something a previous game said.

I guess if you really HAD to find a logical way to explain how Kahn got to Blaze before Taven did, even though Onaga carried him off...well, you COULD imagine that Kahn can use magic to teleport, even though he's never had a teleport move before in any of the games.
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01/02/2014 10:23 AM EST
Retcon. Ending to Armageddon never happened because Armageddon never happened. Raiden went back in time to ensure that. So essentially, Taven is still snoozing in his stone.
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01/02/2014 01:12 PM EST
We're actually talking about the first scene, which is set during Armageddon, BEFORE Raiden has sent his time message, dude.

A scene which went to the trouble of putting all the bodies lying on the stairs in the same order of where those characters were in the MKA opening cinema, I might add. (i.e. Shang as an old man at the top, with Zombie Liu's hooks in his back)
So they're telling us that opening was canon, and during that opening, we all saw Onaga carry Shao Kahn off into the goddamn horizon far, far away from the pyramid. So the question is, how did he get back in time to get to Blaze before Taven did?
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01/02/2014 02:17 PM EST
I misunderstood the OP's question initially but yeah, Spider answered it. When establishing the plot to Armageddon NRS/Midway likely didn't do so anticipating the retcon plot of MK9. The cinematic opening trailers for Armageddon and MK9 conflict because of the retcon. You're mistaken in assuming that the Armageddon trailer is canon at this point though since, has already been pointed out, the MK:A opening contradicts the MK:9 opening.

Here they are if anyone is interested:

MK: Armageddon Opening Cinematic

MK 9 Opening Cinematic

And for those reading that don't know what the eff a retcon is.


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01/04/2014 12:50 AM EST
I have a theory, it could be bunnies.

Taven's Konquest mode ending states:

"Though I had nothing left, I was determined to complete the quest.
I faced many kombatants, fighting my way to the top of the pyramid until at last, I alone defeated Blaze in Mortal Kombat.
The energy released by his death passed through me, granting me full godhood.
The excess power then filtered through my armor and passed into the other kombatants.
Though this energy was to have one of two effects on them -- death or annulment of their powers -- a third, unforseen outcome resulted.
The quest did nothing to resolve the instability of the realms."

& his ladder ending:

"Taven finally completed the quest by slaying Blaze with the sword I left for him in my temple.
As intented, the godlike energy passed through him, transforming him into a full god.
The surge of power then passed through the armor given to him by his mother an was dispersed into every kombatant within the crater.
The result was intented to strip them of their special powers, but Blaze had been corrupted long ago by the Dragon King's holy men.
Instead of nullifying the kombatants' power, it made them stronger than before!
The quest was a failure! May the Elder Gods forgive me!"

So all kombatants are now stronger and full of godly energy, but Kahn the strongest of all kills everyone who isn't already dead and makes his way to top of pyramid. 'Dark' Raiden meets him there and MK9 story picks up from there.
STATE FED LIES CHARM EMPTY EYES. Anon.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
01/04/2014 01:30 AM EST
One of the devs, I forget which, at one point said that Taven's ending is noncanon, Kahn is the one who beat Blaze and got the Prize.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
01/04/2014 06:06 PM EST
I'll tell you what happened to Taven. He got picked to play Batman for the upcoming Man of Steel sequel.





















Alright, I know that was a bad joke. tongue
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RE: What happened to Taven?
01/04/2014 11:40 PM EST
Hey, Demi-Gods need work too, y'know.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
01/17/2014 05:24 AM EST
Taven died on the way to his home planet.
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01/17/2014 09:43 AM EST
Ed had to kill Taven because he made a mistake. NOW it is time to erase that mistake...
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01/18/2014 10:23 AM EST
Yeah i asked wrong question. I mean I know what happened to Taven in Game. I played Armageddon Konquest for hundred times(litreally). Was the best game in my opinion, and recovered the fame of Mortal Kombat after Deadly Alliance and Deception fails.

MAYBE Onaga and Shao Kahn made a deal and slayed Taven. Not a good theory, but only theory that can be true. And I want to believe that because i don't like retcons(or whatever).

Aallright next question is, when Raiden sent the message to his past, does he sent to the Raiden in another universe(like parallel universe stuff) or retrieved the time for entire Universe?

If another universe, then they can do another game in the original universe(where Shao Kahn killed Raiden). We didnt saw Shujinko died, maybe he ressurects everyone again :P (im serious)
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01/18/2014 11:07 AM EST
torgonudho Wrote:
Yeah i asked wrong question. I mean I know what happened to Taven in Game. I played Armageddon Konquest for hundred times(litreally). Was the best game in my opinion, and recovered the fame of Mortal Kombat after Deadly Alliance and Deception fails.
MAYBE Onaga and Shao Kahn made a deal and slayed Taven. Not a good theory, but only theory that can be true. And I want to believe that because i don't like retcons(or whatever).

It would be fun to consider that Onaga grabbed Shao Kahn to tell him that "Don't rush to the top yet! Let's do this first." but meh, it's likely off the cards.

torgonudho Wrote:
Aallright next question is, when Raiden sent the message to his past, does he sent to the Raiden in another universe(like parallel universe stuff) or retrieved the time for entire Universe?

Our subject is nonsensical in nature but the god "turned the clock" sort of from MK7 o'clock to MK1 o'clock. In the next game we are at MK4 o'clock.
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I'll tell you what happened to Taven. He got picked to play Batman for the upcoming Man of Steel sequel.
Alright, I know that was a bad joke. tongue
That was so bad a joke that I had to go to the toilet to puke, Sub-Zero_7th.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
01/19/2014 10:54 PM EST
Answered already. tongue

BTW I really hope that when they get to that part of the plot 'again', they put most characters at the final battle, the others that don't have a good storyline developed can be just a cameo. Just throwing it out.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
03/30/2014 11:56 PM EST
I think the answer could be something simple like Onaga carried Khan off the pyramid, flew off in the distance a ways, then they had a fight. Khan wins, returned to the pyramid and had it out with Blaze and Raiden. I think most people assume that Khan was defeated because he was carried away by Onaga, but that obviously isn't so.

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03/31/2014 01:14 AM EST
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I think the answer could be something simple like Onaga carried Khan off the pyramid, flew off in the distance a ways, then they had a fight. Khan wins, returned to the pyramid and had it out with Blaze and Raiden. I think most people assume that Khan was defeated because he was carried away by Onaga, but that obviously isn't so.



The question wasn't "how did Kahn get back" though, it's how did he get there before Taven did?"

Taven had that magic sword his parents made for him that was specifically designed to kill Blaze, remember? So there's no possible way he would have lost if he'd made it to the top.
Now granted...if anyone remembers how MKA Konquest ended, Taven was standing at Argus' house on a cliff like a mile away when the pyramid rises, so he's got just as far to go to get there as Kahn does after Onaga carried him off.
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04/05/2014 06:51 PM EST
I think the part about Onaga nabbing Kahn and flying off with him wasn't canon. Another argument that could be made for MKA's opening not being completely canon is the fact that neutral characters like Nitara were lumped with either the heroes or the villains.

The best way to make MKA fit the MK mythos imo is if you only take the core elements of it's story as canon. Taven and Daegon being chosen for the quest, Daegon creating the Red Dragon organization, and having to defeat Blaze for the price. Everything else is just filler, though entertaining filler, admittedly.

Any fighter could win the prize, and Shao Kahn did. As for what happened to Taven, who knows. He might have been killed (perhaps by slipping on Bo Rai Cho's vomit, falling off the stairs and breaking his neck), he might have been too distracted fighting Daegon, or was too injured, to get to Blaze in time. It's refreshing to see that being the hero did not guarentee him the win.

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04/05/2014 10:38 PM EST
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neutral characters like Nitara were lumped with either the heroes or the villains.


Which side was Nitara on? I don't remember ever spotting her.

Technically, her alignment should be considered outright "good", not neutral, she doesn't ever really hurt or kill anybody in the games (granted vampires have to kill people to eat, but we never actually read about her doing so during MKDA or Armageddon), she's just kind of manipulative is all, that's not so bad, and her main goal is to save her realm from Outworld, Being an enemy of Shao Kahn is about as good as you can get in the MK universe.
As far as "neutral characters" in general goes, I can't actually think of anybody in MK who would never pick a side. It's more like the neutrals are flip-floppers.
Like Scorpion has repeatedly jumped from bad to good and back, and in MKA sided with the badguys because he wanted the world to die as a "fuck you" to the Elder Gods. Kabal has repeatedly made face/heel turns. Hotaru probably thinks of himself as a good guy but he works for Onaga, or would just put himself on the opposite side of Havik or Darrius to oppose them. Dairou will go with whoever hires him or oppose Darrius, Havik will side against whoever is most likely to use the Prize to oppress freedom, which makes him a good guy, etc.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
04/06/2014 01:46 AM EST
I just thought the top of the pyramid also contained smaller fights so Blaze, being a big boss type, also fought those guys in a boss rush but then Taven comes in, finishes Blaze, supercharges everyone, and then Kahn starts hammering his way back to the top. Then everyone kills everybody leaving only Raiden and Kahn.

Just my idea. Could be wrong and Taven had trouble climbing up a pyramid full guys who want to kill him. Enough time for Shao Kahn to get back up the pyramid.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
04/06/2014 02:25 PM EST
We never see Taven in the opening cinematic, so anything could have happened to him during the battle of Armageddon. He very well could have made it to the top, but was defeated by Blaze. He could have been killed by another kombatant at the base of the pyramid or trying to ascend it. All we know for sure is Khan made it to the top along with Raiden and Blaze was defeated by the emperor.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
04/06/2014 07:14 PM EST
Taven's story mode ending in Armageddon could pose a possibility.

Taven stated that when he defeated Blaze that a third, unforeseen outcome had occurred, in which the energy from Blaze did nothing to stop the other warriors. This could explain how Raiden managed to get to the top of the pyramid.

As for Shao Kahn, it is indeed shown in Armageddon's opening cinematic that he is carried away (and possibly eaten) by Onaga. Of course, the cinematic is not canon, so it doesn't apply to what really happens. In the sense of the story, Shao Kahn could have just as well been able to make it up to the pyramid's peak after Taven defeated Blaze.

Shao Kahn, being a sorcerer himself, may have managed to kill Taven while atop the pyramid, resulting in his obtaining the "prize," possibly by extracting it from Taven following his death.

In the opening scene to MK2011's story mode, Blaze is nowhere to be seen at the top of the pyramid, only a large bout of flame. This shows that he had already been defeated. Also, Shao Kahn makes no mention of his defeating Blaze, or of Blaze in any sense. This could point Blaze not had being present when Shao Kahn reached the top of the pyramid.


Naturally, the most likely source to the class occurrences within the cinematics is simply major retcons. However, it's nice to hope that there's a stronger meaning behind it.

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RE: What happened to Taven?
04/07/2014 12:58 AM EST
Again, the devs actually confirmed that Taven didn't kill Blaze, Kahn did.
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RE: What happened to Taven?
04/07/2014 03:40 AM EST
What Razor said. Bottom line is Khan wins the battle of Armageddon, what happens to Taven is up to our imaginations at this point. But it would be cool if Taven's fate is eventually clarified (Daegon's too) in a future sequel.