I love how MK is finally cleaning up and consolidating.
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I love how MK is finally cleaning up and consolidating.
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posted02/22/2016 11:22 PM (UTC)by
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I've been a fan since day one, and always sort of regretted how fast production lead to poorer character development and story lines past MK2. Although timeline reworking is a bit deus ex machina, I have to admit the love, work and effort that has gone into this. Must have been a bitch working through 2011 for the makers, but for MKX is bordering on the perfect play experience, and the timeline is all but cleaned up, and I think I see major efforts to keeping it tight and cleaned up, leaving room for even better in MK11. 24 years of fandom paying off. I'm now playing this game with my kids.
The way I see it (spoilers coming, although I doubt many here haven't finished the game by now) going through all the story and character endings that we're seeing a very clear storyline for MK11 going back to the Earthrealm/outworld feud.
1.Kitana and Kang become rulers of the NR, and I think that'll be a bit of closure for those charatcters and the Netherrealm altogether. It was the NR origin of Shinnok and Quan Chi (of themselves solid characters) that lead to dilution of the MK universe with a ton of crap like Drahmin, Meat and you name it. Reading the Dead pool thread up top with characters sure not to return, it includes many killed or left as revenants now. i'd take it as a good sign that means the Netherrealm will play less of a role from now on. Same with the weird last minute rescue of Kung Lao by Kung Jin, and the ultimate ressurection of Hanzo Hasashi.
2.Baraka and Mileena gone is likely to be the end of outworld opposition to Kotal Kahn. That leaves him to become a much stronger ruler. And a force to be reckoned with, but not forgetting where he came from. Pitting him against the newer, darker Raiden, it will create two opposing forces that are neither unilatelally good nor bad.
3.A good way to phase out characters is to make a generation leap. In the afterstories we also see the end of Jax already, expect the older generation to become more story element that playable characters. For many there are younger versions waiting in the wings that can adopt a similar playing style. Even slowly hinting that Kano is the last remnant of the black dragon (getting rid of all the junk they added to that group) but looking to start things over beginning with his son, promises more of the same. All these characters now are boring, blank slates, but they sort of needed to keep it that way to make the fresh start that MK11 will be. I think especially Cassie Cage, Takeda Takahashi and D'Vorah are potential strong characters for development. Same with newer characters on the outworld side. I can't see how to further develop ferra/Torr much, but erron black seems to be the new kung lao (really shitty pointless character, but cool to play and becoming a fan fave that will keep coming back). Some personal hopes and wishes :
- That the Ermac Storyline means what it means, thet tsung is back and that he ate that sack of souls foregood
- Completely chauvinist, I know, but after Cosplay Cassie and Tuxedo Cassie I can just feel it coming - please don't make her a lesbian !
- That Takeda becomes the full blown Kenshi/scorpion hybrid that he could be. Give Hanzo and Kenshi a well deserved retirement.
4.Consolidation. Takeda being a bit of scorpion and a bit of kenshi, Cassie as a combination of the better elements of Sonya and Johnny, and now Tri-borg combing 3-4 old fan favorites into one, was a superb way of serving fans, story, gameplay and keep the timeline clean for new character development. Consolidating weaker stories and characters into a richer history, a more complete playstyle, and the most awesome parts of certain characters, is a win/win for everyone, that wouldn't have been possible without the generation shift.
5.The means are there and the love is back. Mortal Kombat is the best game in the series in terms of gameplay. I love the variations adding a twist, basically giving you three characters for the price of one, each accentuating a part of the character more, keeping them similar enough for different players to like the same character, and different enough to feel it in the way you play them. Burtality requirements need to be a bit simpler stil (one requirement, finish with a move, all or not holding a certain button) but are a definite winner, bringing back another legacy element and making it something new. The detail in the game is exquisite. The story was short and lacked variation in gameplay (Armageddon was best in that regard so far) but was awesome to watch and play through. But it's the little things that show the love of their creation is back with NRS, such as the detailed dialogue between fighters before matches. No studio puts that sort of final touch effort into its games.
Bring on MK11 already :p
The way I see it (spoilers coming, although I doubt many here haven't finished the game by now) going through all the story and character endings that we're seeing a very clear storyline for MK11 going back to the Earthrealm/outworld feud.
1.Kitana and Kang become rulers of the NR, and I think that'll be a bit of closure for those charatcters and the Netherrealm altogether. It was the NR origin of Shinnok and Quan Chi (of themselves solid characters) that lead to dilution of the MK universe with a ton of crap like Drahmin, Meat and you name it. Reading the Dead pool thread up top with characters sure not to return, it includes many killed or left as revenants now. i'd take it as a good sign that means the Netherrealm will play less of a role from now on. Same with the weird last minute rescue of Kung Lao by Kung Jin, and the ultimate ressurection of Hanzo Hasashi.
2.Baraka and Mileena gone is likely to be the end of outworld opposition to Kotal Kahn. That leaves him to become a much stronger ruler. And a force to be reckoned with, but not forgetting where he came from. Pitting him against the newer, darker Raiden, it will create two opposing forces that are neither unilatelally good nor bad.
3.A good way to phase out characters is to make a generation leap. In the afterstories we also see the end of Jax already, expect the older generation to become more story element that playable characters. For many there are younger versions waiting in the wings that can adopt a similar playing style. Even slowly hinting that Kano is the last remnant of the black dragon (getting rid of all the junk they added to that group) but looking to start things over beginning with his son, promises more of the same. All these characters now are boring, blank slates, but they sort of needed to keep it that way to make the fresh start that MK11 will be. I think especially Cassie Cage, Takeda Takahashi and D'Vorah are potential strong characters for development. Same with newer characters on the outworld side. I can't see how to further develop ferra/Torr much, but erron black seems to be the new kung lao (really shitty pointless character, but cool to play and becoming a fan fave that will keep coming back). Some personal hopes and wishes :
- That the Ermac Storyline means what it means, thet tsung is back and that he ate that sack of souls foregood
- Completely chauvinist, I know, but after Cosplay Cassie and Tuxedo Cassie I can just feel it coming - please don't make her a lesbian !
- That Takeda becomes the full blown Kenshi/scorpion hybrid that he could be. Give Hanzo and Kenshi a well deserved retirement.
4.Consolidation. Takeda being a bit of scorpion and a bit of kenshi, Cassie as a combination of the better elements of Sonya and Johnny, and now Tri-borg combing 3-4 old fan favorites into one, was a superb way of serving fans, story, gameplay and keep the timeline clean for new character development. Consolidating weaker stories and characters into a richer history, a more complete playstyle, and the most awesome parts of certain characters, is a win/win for everyone, that wouldn't have been possible without the generation shift.
5.The means are there and the love is back. Mortal Kombat is the best game in the series in terms of gameplay. I love the variations adding a twist, basically giving you three characters for the price of one, each accentuating a part of the character more, keeping them similar enough for different players to like the same character, and different enough to feel it in the way you play them. Burtality requirements need to be a bit simpler stil (one requirement, finish with a move, all or not holding a certain button) but are a definite winner, bringing back another legacy element and making it something new. The detail in the game is exquisite. The story was short and lacked variation in gameplay (Armageddon was best in that regard so far) but was awesome to watch and play through. But it's the little things that show the love of their creation is back with NRS, such as the detailed dialogue between fighters before matches. No studio puts that sort of final touch effort into its games.
Bring on MK11 already :p
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The Trilogy folk and probably even Kenshi/Quan Chi aren't going anywhere. NRS may act like they have the balls to leave them behind for a while to let the newcomers thrive by themselves but they really don't. While the newcomers were a hit, they don't match the popularity of the originals and they don't have the power of nostalgia behind them either.
I once thought all the older relatives would sit the next game out but then I realized introducing a younger generation was just a gimmick and not to advance and revitalize the roster because its NRS; they dont think that way. And if you really think Ed's precious Scorpion is sitting out......hoo boy.
I once thought all the older relatives would sit the next game out but then I realized introducing a younger generation was just a gimmick and not to advance and revitalize the roster because its NRS; they dont think that way. And if you really think Ed's precious Scorpion is sitting out......hoo boy.
I feel like your post started out great and had some good points but then just got dumber and dumber and dumber as you went on. Just another post where somebody shits on characters they don't like to troll people who do. And who gives a shit if Cassie is a lesbian and wtf are you even talking about with that?? And consolidating characters would be a horrible idea. The new characters should be original and be able to stand on their own, I don't want a shitty Takeda Scorpion Kenshi ManBearPig thing. That would be a lazy rip off. Tri Borg's kind of a special case since he's extra DLC that fulfills variation requirements, but even then I'm predicting his storyline to be Chameleon quality.
And maybe I'm just too nostalgic or whatever, but I feel like if the teen titans straight up replaced the classic characters the game wouldn't feel like MK to me. I don't think its the classic characters that make the story stale its the writing quality and writers who are just bored as fuck with what they have to work with. I mean marvel and DC super heroes have been around for ages and they still have multiple great story arcs. Batman has a ton. The characters don't change its just the writer's take on them that does. I vote don't boot the classic characters in favor of all new ones, boot the lazy uninspired writers and get an all new writing staff. I mean how many times is Reptile gonna fuckin resurrect his race in a completely non cannon ending?? And thats just a tiny gripe among many when it comes to the writing of MK (not that everything in MKX was bad).
But yeah I agree that NRS seems crazy on point with supporting MKX. I'm STILL in shock we have a better online on the horizon. I never would of guessed they would or even could do something like that. Not to mention more balance patches aimed at smoothing out the gameplay and making every variation as competitive as it can be. Like I harp on this game a lot but I can't deny I'm happy to be an MK fan right now.
And maybe I'm just too nostalgic or whatever, but I feel like if the teen titans straight up replaced the classic characters the game wouldn't feel like MK to me. I don't think its the classic characters that make the story stale its the writing quality and writers who are just bored as fuck with what they have to work with. I mean marvel and DC super heroes have been around for ages and they still have multiple great story arcs. Batman has a ton. The characters don't change its just the writer's take on them that does. I vote don't boot the classic characters in favor of all new ones, boot the lazy uninspired writers and get an all new writing staff. I mean how many times is Reptile gonna fuckin resurrect his race in a completely non cannon ending?? And thats just a tiny gripe among many when it comes to the writing of MK (not that everything in MKX was bad).
But yeah I agree that NRS seems crazy on point with supporting MKX. I'm STILL in shock we have a better online on the horizon. I never would of guessed they would or even could do something like that. Not to mention more balance patches aimed at smoothing out the gameplay and making every variation as competitive as it can be. Like I harp on this game a lot but I can't deny I'm happy to be an MK fan right now.
Sorry but not going to happen. And why anyone would want them to have the role of the Netherrealm, characters like Baraka & Mileena and such diminished or disappear all together is beyond me. They made this game what it is!! All I want is more of a mysterious, dark and magical atmosphere to the realms and they consist of more creatures, mutants, dragons etc. The blood magik was a good start in the comics.
The revenant story was just cheap in my opinion and an easy way to bring some guys back and have the lame futuristic army vs. a dark evil world. The Kotal Kahn bit was just thrown in quickly too and didn't get the attention it deserved. Earth needs to become invaded and mixed with elements from other realms. The amount of humans and Earthrealm characters needs to be a lot less too.
The whole Earthrealm hero is played out, especially since the only thing they have is weapons now anyway. It should at least be someone with some magical powers, who learned the arts of sorcery or something, if that.
The revenant story was just cheap in my opinion and an easy way to bring some guys back and have the lame futuristic army vs. a dark evil world. The Kotal Kahn bit was just thrown in quickly too and didn't get the attention it deserved. Earth needs to become invaded and mixed with elements from other realms. The amount of humans and Earthrealm characters needs to be a lot less too.
The whole Earthrealm hero is played out, especially since the only thing they have is weapons now anyway. It should at least be someone with some magical powers, who learned the arts of sorcery or something, if that.
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barakall Wrote:
The whole Earthrealm hero is played out, especially since the only thing they have is weapons now anyway. It should at least be someone with some magical powers, who learned the arts of sorcery or something, if that.
The whole Earthrealm hero is played out, especially since the only thing they have is weapons now anyway. It should at least be someone with some magical powers, who learned the arts of sorcery or something, if that.
Cassie has Johnny's magical powers. Takeda has psychic abilities (and will surely pick up the telekinesis too, next time around). Kung Jin has a magical bow. Only Jacqui relies strictly on technology, though she does have a measure of Jax's strength.
I've never understood this argument. Baraka, Mileena, Kitana, Reptile, Jade... aside from being "not human," all of these classic characters are equal-or-less magical than the great majority of the Earthrealm fighters past or present. Li Mei? Bo' Rai Cho? Not very magical, compared to the average human kombatant. The Shokan aren't even more magical than the humans; they just have more arms, which are basically just purely physical weapons that aren't even proper "weapons." So can we please stop crapping on the Earth guys for not being magical enough?
You can also think of it this way: in Outworld, sorcery and enchanted artifacts are basically their "high technology," while weapons that harness the fundamental forces the universe to blow holes out of people with explosion-powered projectiles and searing hot light are basically our kind of "magic."
There's a reason why Shao Kahn bought weapons from Kano in MK3 and made him a general in the time leading up to Deadly Alliance. For all his power, Shao Kahn respected our tech. So I don't understand why we don't. It's like Mortal Kombat fans are irrationally racist against humans.
umbrascitor Wrote:
Cassie has Johnny's magical powers. Takeda has psychic abilities (and will surely pick up the telekinesis too, next time around). Kung Jin has a magical bow. Only Jacqui relies strictly on technology, though she does have a measure of Jax's strength.
I've never understood this argument. Baraka, Mileena, Kitana, Reptile, Jade... aside from being "not human," all of these classic characters are equal-or-less magical than the great majority of the Earthrealm fighters past or present. Li Mei? Bo' Rai Cho? Not very magical, compared to the average human kombatant. The Shokan aren't even more magical than the humans; they just have more arms, which are basically just purely physical weapons that aren't even proper "weapons." So can we please stop crapping on the Earth guys for not being magical enough?
You can also think of it this way: in Outworld, sorcery and enchanted artifacts are basically their "high technology," while weapons that harness the fundamental forces the universe to blow holes out of people with explosion-powered projectiles and searing hot light are basically our kind of "magic."
There's a reason why Shao Kahn bought weapons from Kano in MK3 and made him a general in the time leading up to Deadly Alliance. For all his power, Shao Kahn respected our tech. So I don't understand why we don't. It's like Mortal Kombat fans are irrationally racist against humans.
barakall Wrote:
The whole Earthrealm hero is played out, especially since the only thing they have is weapons now anyway. It should at least be someone with some magical powers, who learned the arts of sorcery or something, if that.
The whole Earthrealm hero is played out, especially since the only thing they have is weapons now anyway. It should at least be someone with some magical powers, who learned the arts of sorcery or something, if that.
Cassie has Johnny's magical powers. Takeda has psychic abilities (and will surely pick up the telekinesis too, next time around). Kung Jin has a magical bow. Only Jacqui relies strictly on technology, though she does have a measure of Jax's strength.
I've never understood this argument. Baraka, Mileena, Kitana, Reptile, Jade... aside from being "not human," all of these classic characters are equal-or-less magical than the great majority of the Earthrealm fighters past or present. Li Mei? Bo' Rai Cho? Not very magical, compared to the average human kombatant. The Shokan aren't even more magical than the humans; they just have more arms, which are basically just purely physical weapons that aren't even proper "weapons." So can we please stop crapping on the Earth guys for not being magical enough?
You can also think of it this way: in Outworld, sorcery and enchanted artifacts are basically their "high technology," while weapons that harness the fundamental forces the universe to blow holes out of people with explosion-powered projectiles and searing hot light are basically our kind of "magic."
There's a reason why Shao Kahn bought weapons from Kano in MK3 and made him a general in the time leading up to Deadly Alliance. For all his power, Shao Kahn respected our tech. So I don't understand why we don't. It's like Mortal Kombat fans are irrationally racist against humans.
Yeah green energy beats a god, come on now..most earthrealmers are simple humans with a weapon: Jacqui has flamethrowers, Takeda mechanical whips, Cassie guns, Sonya freaking drones. Johnny is the only one I respect as a normal earthrealm fighter, Jax I like because they finally dropped his guns in some variations. Kung Jin luckily a new one with some magical powers as well as Liu Kang, Bo Rai Cho, Kenshi & Kung Lao.
Who said those characters need to be magical? I said the realm, the atmosphere, the feeling. It's weird you lump Baraka & Mileena with Kitana, Reptile & Jade anyway so not sure what your case is. The Shokan are very different and represent many non-human elements, something only limited to fantasy. If you cannot see that then there's no arguing with u.
There's nothing against humans per se, but when almost half of the roster is human and there's so much more u can do with non-humans or more spiritual inclined ones like Nightwolf for example + the whory line of mkx then it's going to cause some hatred.
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umbrascitor Wrote:
You can also think of it this way: in Outworld, sorcery and enchanted artifacts are basically their "high technology," while weapons that harness the fundamental forces the universe to blow holes out of people with explosion-powered projectiles and searing hot light are basically our kind of "magic."
You can also think of it this way: in Outworld, sorcery and enchanted artifacts are basically their "high technology," while weapons that harness the fundamental forces the universe to blow holes out of people with explosion-powered projectiles and searing hot light are basically our kind of "magic."
Ones this becomes a real thing within Mortal Kombat im entirly done with the series. It's already hanging for me, but ill wait patiently for the next MK to see what direction it will go to.
umbrascitor Wrote:
There's a reason why Shao Kahn bought weapons from Kano in MK3 and made him a general in the time leading up to Deadly Alliance. For all his power, Shao Kahn respected our tech. So I don't understand why we don't. It's like Mortal Kombat fans are irrationally racist against humans.
There's a reason why Shao Kahn bought weapons from Kano in MK3 and made him a general in the time leading up to Deadly Alliance. For all his power, Shao Kahn respected our tech. So I don't understand why we don't. It's like Mortal Kombat fans are irrationally racist against humans.
Non human entity's should improve their magic instead of relying on human technologie's. Especially if they are born with advanteges humans arnt born with. It's what we like from cartoons or fantasy games, having streangth or powers we dont have normally. Non human entity's should behave and think different oppossed to humans. They are different species.
It gets really boring once everything is cyber enhanced into a human tank. Regrettably 90% of the current western games already feel, look and play the same. I see MK loosing what made it stand out.
Once it's a call of duty vs outworld game i will drop the game and im sure i wont be the only one.
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In the world of MK fans, if you're from EarthRealm and don't at least have a mask, you automatically suck.
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From-ear-to-ear Wrote:
In the world of MK fans, if you're from EarthRealm and don't at least have a mask OR BE A NINJA, you automatically suck.
In the world of MK fans, if you're from EarthRealm and don't at least have a mask OR BE A NINJA, you automatically suck.
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I feel like we're beating a dead horse with this whole ''they should get rid of the old gang'' debate. But let's face it, if you're waiting for them to leave and clear the way for Taven and Daegon's return, then yeah, you might as well drop this franchise right now.
I think I've used this analogy before, but the 3-D era was the equivalent of Episodes 123 of the Star Wars series, in that it help prolong it but ultimately just made purist wish they would go back to its roots. I'm pretty sure they've found their niche now and other than some gimmicks (like kids of vets) I wouldn't expect any dramatic shift in MK.
Like someone said in this thread, we're okay with DC and Marvel characters being rebooted over and over again. I don't understand why so many fanboys want MK to scrap 90% of its initial roster and start in a complete new direction. For us old people, like 30 to 40, we grew up with Cage, Sonya etc. We don't mind that they come up with new elemental Gods and aqua-fuschia ninjas as side characters, but they will never replace our old favorites, so stop waiting for that to happen.
I think I've used this analogy before, but the 3-D era was the equivalent of Episodes 123 of the Star Wars series, in that it help prolong it but ultimately just made purist wish they would go back to its roots. I'm pretty sure they've found their niche now and other than some gimmicks (like kids of vets) I wouldn't expect any dramatic shift in MK.
Like someone said in this thread, we're okay with DC and Marvel characters being rebooted over and over again. I don't understand why so many fanboys want MK to scrap 90% of its initial roster and start in a complete new direction. For us old people, like 30 to 40, we grew up with Cage, Sonya etc. We don't mind that they come up with new elemental Gods and aqua-fuschia ninjas as side characters, but they will never replace our old favorites, so stop waiting for that to happen.
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From-ear-to-ear Wrote:
Like someone said in this thread, we're okay with DC and Marvel characters being rebooted over and over again.
Like someone said in this thread, we're okay with DC and Marvel characters being rebooted over and over again.
I don't think I've ever come across anyone who enjoys the constant reboots of comic book characters. The various animated retellings are fine, but most people aren't happy that the comics and movies are rebooted constantly.
On topic though, I think Johnny, Sonya, Jax, Kung Lao, Ermac and possibly Liu Kang and Kitana could sit out the next game. I know they've set up Liu Kang and Kitana as rulers of Netherrealm but they could just be sitting on the throne gathering an army for the whole game. Who knows.
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