Theory about Raiden and Daegon
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posted09/16/2015 08:08 PM (UTC)by
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In Issue #33, I've noticed earlier that during the creation of the Reiko Accords there was this following dialogue:

Raiden: Reiko and Havik didn't do this alone, they had help, manpower...
Kotal Kahn: From DAEGON and the his RED DRAGON ARMY
Raiden: I've asked Kotal to consider an accord with us...to discuss interrealm conflicts before attacking each other.

Noticed how Raiden simply brushed the issue of Daegon aside? Hell even Kotal Kahn offers Erron's "beating up" by possessed Raiden as amends for kidnapping Cassie to improve interrealm relations with Earthrealm. Raiden's implied side of the accord should have been to hunt down the Red Dragon who have been SUPPLING Reiko and Havik (you know the guys who tried overthrowing Kotal Kahn and threatened the universe's existence?) and bringing Daegon's head as proof that Raiden is serious about improving relations with Outworld. What does Raiden do to the Red Dragon after the accords are finalized?...NOTHING.

I find this baffling because if you're a Protector God and you find a powerful foreign rogue DEMIGOD living in your realm (seriously shouldn't be too hard for a god like Raiden to find), your first instinct would be to root him out and smite the shit out of this potential threat. I know people will say, "But krajax gods aren't supposed to interfere in mortal affairs, their job is to protect the realm from outside threats." This isn't the case when the potential threat is PART GOD. Hell Daegon was even affiliated with SHINNOK, the god that tried to invade Earthrealm and is Raiden's most powerful enemy? From this dialogue of course, it can be certainly implied that Raiden KNEW that Daegon and the Red Dragon existed and were operating in Earthrealm, but he did nothing to stop them in the first place.

So here's where my theory comes in: what if...Raiden and Daegon had an understanding and the God of Thunder gave Daegon free asylum?

(glass crashes)

"But krajax Raiden is one of the good guys! He would never make a deal with an evil and suspicious-looking being that might attack Earthrealm! Your theory is poo-poo!"

Really? The god who fried his own Champion and tried dealing their souls to Quan Chi, the equivalent of the Devil in MK9? Some good guy he is. wow Now I'm not saying Raiden is evil, but he was just manipulated from the very beginning.

I could see how this statement I made above works. 9,000 years ago in the MK timeline: years after the destruction of Edenia, Daegon owes his allegiance to Shinnok and kills his parents etc during that timeframe. In 9,000 years, he arrives to Earthrealm despite being awaken from Earthrealm prematurely earlier. Why would he go back and form the Red Dragon? I can see that he was given an assignment by Shinnok since the fallen God is locked in the Netherrealm and can't infiltrate Earthrealm so he sends Daegon who is less detectable than a normal God. The mission? We all know Daegon's father Argus (the Robert Baratheon/Zeus of the Edenian god pantheon) produced Rain as a bastard. However I wouldn't be surprised if Argus was continuing to fuck female mortals and producing tons of unclaimed demigod bastards who were scattered after Shao Kahn destroyed Edenia. Because they'd be hunted down in Outworld and the other realms aren't like their homeworld, the best option for those demigods is to settle in Earthrealm where at the dawn of man's civilization, became the basis for humanity's MYTHOLOGICAL DEITIES (It's kind of like ancient aliens/fallen angels/Nephilim visiting Earth, but makes more sense plus it does explain the basis for Johnny Cage's powers.) Daegon's assignment being trained in the art of fire and sword is to slay all of these bastards so they don't become a problem for Shinnok in the future. So Daegon accomplishes this Earthrealm-wide goal and a unique consequence comes: people begin to look at Daegon as the basis of the malevolent, all-powerful monotheistic god and start worshipping him. This underground crusade becomes known to Raiden who of course comes down to Earth to confront Daegon.

Know you'd expect Raiden to finally smite Daegon, a foreign demigod for causing havoc and death throughout Earthrealm, endangering the lives of mortals just like Shinnok's very first invasion before being trapped in the Netherrealm. But I can see Daegon pull out an unexpected card from his hand: HE SWITCHES ALLEGIANCES. Daegon reveals his allegiance to Shinnok, explains the purpose of his mission, and gives the excuse that these demigods would have become internal threats to Raiden's legitimacy as Protector God and potential allies to Shao Kahn, Emperor of Outworld. He then explains that more demigods are more likely to invade Earthrealm in the future so the gullible mortals who worship Daegon plus Raiden will NEED him to be there. Raiden at this surprise turn of events is actually impressed with Daegon's "honesty" and offers a possible pact: He will allow Daegon to stay in Earthrealm unimpeded to start the Red Dragon Clan and "help" mankind develop throughout its history until they are strong enough to defend Earthrealm. In return, Daegon will not AID Outworld or the Netherrealm in any circumstance. This explains why the Red Dragon didn't openly side with Outworld in MK9 or the Netherrealm in MKX. Hell it's possible that during Shinnok's second invasion while the Special Forces were fighting the Netherrealm at the beginning of MKX, who was keeping tabs on Shinnok's forces in other parts of the world? The Red Dragon of course, fighting against forces Daegon was once LOYAL to to honor Raiden's pact. And to top it off, Raiden keeps this deal with Daegon a SECRET even from his close friend, the Wind God Fujin. Add that to his character flaw which is keeping secrets from the mortals that end up getting them killed.

"But krajax Daegon sent in Red Dragon units to Reiko to aid the conquest of earth realm and Outworld! He violated the pact!"

That is kinda true, but Daegon is smart and can do loopholes. Reiko could have walked up to Daegon and said, "I would like some of your Red Dragon to help me." And Daegon would just turn to those units and say, "You no longer follow my orders. Reiko is your new leader, not me." So Daegon could absolve himself of any responsibility of sending in Red Dragons to Outworld because those Red Dragon in Outworld were Reiko's men, not Daegon's men. It's wrong, but in this light Daegon still upholds his treaty with Raiden. Hell even Raiden might have confronted Daegon about this, Daegon simply gave his above excuse, and Raiden buys into it.

We know Dark Raiden has a history of making ruinous decisions like dealing with Shao Kahn in Armageddon that Kahn will honor Earthrealm's independence in return for Raiden stopping Taven from stopping Armageddon, even though we know Shao Kahn is an evil bastard. Now that Dark Raiden is back and irrational as ever, Daegon will finally begin his plan. He has Red Dragon soldiers confiscate Kano's nukes from Special Forces headquarters secretly that were given by Kotal in Issue #33 as part of Kotal's end of the accords, permanently mark them with Kotal Kahn's sigil, and plant them in every major city around the world. Coinciding with that, under the guise of an international businessman, Daegon will give orders to launch faux terrorist attacks on the Special Forces HQ, Lin Kuei Temple, and the White Lotus Society HQ with his Red Dragon men DISGUISED as Black Dragon thugs to distract Raiden's allies from the real event: the nuking of Earthrealm's cities. After the disaster, Dark Raiden is shocked and furious over this atrocity and Daegon comes forward with "evidence" of the nukes' engravings and the footage of the men attacking Raiden's allies that these were Black Dragon hired by Kotal Kahn to attack Earthrealm in preparation of an invasion. Raiden of course gobbles it up and declares interrealm war on Outworld even though Kotal and his allies are in no position of attacking Earthrealm after the events of MKX. Some of Raiden's allies buy it while others are suspicious of the circumstances and take no part in the war (who it will be is up to speculation). Even Fujin is skeptical about Raiden's conclusions, but the Thunder God has made his mind. Given his secret dealing with Daegon, it wouldn't be out of character for Dark Raiden to appoint someone he can trust to protect Earthrealm while he's out in Outworld and guess who it is: Daegon. BEHIND FUJIN'S BACK. So once Dark Raiden makes Daegon the LEGAL temporary Protector God of Earthrealm, the latter will finally reveal his face and cause major shit for Earthrealm behind Raiden's back. This I think is another example of Raiden keeping secrets (the Kamidogu) from his mortal allies and this lack of communication gets them killed. However I see this (keeping his partnership with Daegon a secret) as Raiden's DOWNFALL when his major character flaw that he keeps repeating finally bites him in the ass in MK11. Also, this makes Daegon extra badass as the only villain who has ever took over Earthrealm successfully without fighting Raiden in this act as a master manipulator. A feat both Shao Kahn AND Shinnok have failed at accomplishing. Plus giving him Clancy Brown's voice would definitely add to the manipulator and demigod ego Daegon has if he's confirmed playable.

So yeah that's my theory.

Later, I will discuss Daegon's motivations for Earthrealm psychologically in retrospect.
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08/24/2015 10:55 PM (UTC)
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Not going to lie I didn't read all that. But what I read sounds like it could happen.

I think in the next game Taven & Deagon will be heavily involved in the Storyline
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08/24/2015 11:43 PM (UTC)
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BADASS6669 Wrote:
Not going to lie I didn't read all that. But what I read sounds like it could happen.

I think in the next game Taven & Deagon will be heavily involved in the Storyline


Lol I didn't expect you to.
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08/24/2015 11:49 PM (UTC)
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Theories are fun and great and from what I read this is a cool one. But let's be real, no theories like this are ever going to actually be correct, because NRS doesn't even think this far ahead.
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08/24/2015 11:51 PM (UTC)
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Darkk Wrote:
Theories are fun and great and from what I read this is a cool one. But let's be real, no theories like this are ever going to actually be correct, because NRS doesn't even think this far ahead.


I know, it's a sad reality.
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08/25/2015 06:46 AM (UTC)
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Or maybe things are written to look like Raiden's fault when it's really not that simple. I don't know why I'm going over this again. But he fried his champion because he attack him and tried to make a pack with Chi because there were no other options at that point. Especially when the jerk offs who burdened him with the job do nothing to help him.

I love most of Kittleson's story and I'm really trying not to be bias, but he seems to be on the blame Raiden for everything bandwagon.

There are so many other people at fault, formidable opponents, and uncooperative "allies" that make his job way harder than it already is.

Watching over a sacred knife or a single demi god my seem simple, but not when you have A B and C throwing a monkey wrench in your plans and progress every 2 seconds. Not to mention some of it is just imperfect writing. Nobody else mentioned Deagon either. That's because the writer didn't care to, as Deagon is probably not relevant in his story anymore. Not necessarily because he's secretly smoking a bong with Raiden on their off days. Lol
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08/25/2015 10:00 AM (UTC)
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krajax Wrote:
In Issue #33, I've noticed earlier that during the creation of the Reiko Accords there was this following dialogue:

Raiden: Reiko and Havik didn't do this alone, they had help, manpower...
Kotal Kahn: From DAEGON and the his RED DRAGON ARMY
Raiden: I've asked Kotal to consider an accord with us...to discuss interrealm conflicts before attacking each other.

Noticed how Raiden simply brushed the issue of Daegon aside? Hell even Kotal Kahn offers Erron's "beating up" by possessed Raiden as amends for kidnapping Cassie to improve interrealm relations with Earthrealm. Raiden's implied side of the accord should have been to hunt down the Red Dragon who have been SUPPLING Reiko and Havik (you know the guys who tried overthrowing Kotal Kahn and threatened the universe's existence?) and bringing Daegon's head as proof that Raiden is serious about improving relations with Outworld. What does Raiden do to the Red Dragon after the accords are finalized?...NOTHING.

I find this baffling because if you're a Protector God and you find a powerful foreign rogue DEMIGOD living in your realm (seriously shouldn't be too hard for a god like Raiden to find), your first instinct would be to root him out and smite the shit out of this potential threat. I know people will say, "But krajax gods aren't supposed to interfere in mortal affairs, their job is to protect the realm from outside threats." This isn't the case when the potential threat is PART GOD. Hell Daegon was even affiliated with SHINNOK, the god that tried to invade Earthrealm and is Raiden's most powerful enemy? From this dialogue of course, it can be certainly implied that Raiden KNEW that Daegon and the Red Dragon existed and were operating in Earthrealm, but he did nothing to stop them in the first place.

So here's where my theory comes in: what if...Raiden and Daegon had an understanding and the God of Thunder gave Daegon free asylum?

(glass crashes)

"But krajax Raiden is one of the good guys! He would never make a deal with an evil and suspicious-looking being that might attack Earthrealm! Your theory is poo-poo!"

Really? The god who fried his own Champion and tried dealing their souls to Quan Chi, the equivalent of the Devil in MK9? Some good guy he is. wow Now I'm not saying Raiden is evil, but he was just manipulated from the very beginning.

I could see how this statement I made above works. 9,000 years ago in the MK timeline: years after the destruction of Edenia, Daegon owes his allegiance to Shinnok and kills his parents etc during that timeframe. In 9,000 years, he arrives to Earthrealm despite being awaken from Earthrealm prematurely earlier. Why would he go back and form the Red Dragon? I can see that he was given an assignment by Shinnok since the fallen God is locked in the Netherrealm and can't infiltrate Earthrealm so he sends Daegon who is less detectable than a normal God. The mission? We all know Daegon's father Argus (the Robert Baratheon/Zeus of the Edenian god pantheon) produced Rain as a bastard. However I wouldn't be surprised if Argus was continuing to fuck female mortals and producing tons of unclaimed demigod bastards who were scattered after Shao Kahn destroyed Edenia. Because they'd be hunted down in Outworld and the other realms aren't like their homeworld, the best option for those demigods is to settle in Earthrealm where at the dawn of man's civilization, became the basis for humanity's MYTHOLOGICAL DEITIES (It's kind of like ancient aliens/fallen angels/Nephilim visiting Earth, but makes more sense plus it does explain the basis for Johnny Cage's powers.) Daegon's assignment being trained in the art of fire and sword is to slay all of these bastards so they don't become a problem for Shinnok in the future. So Daegon accomplishes this Earthrealm-wide goal and a unique consequence comes: people begin to look at Daegon as the basis of the malevolent, all-powerful monotheistic god and start worshipping him. This underground crusade becomes known to Raiden who of course comes down to Earth to confront Daegon.

Know you'd expect Raiden to finally smite Daegon, a foreign demigod for causing havoc and death throughout Earthrealm, endangering the lives of mortals just like Shinnok's very first invasion before being trapped in the Netherrealm. But I can see Daegon pull out an unexpected card from his hand: HE SWITCHES ALLEGIANCES. Daegon reveals his allegiance to Shinnok, explains the purpose of his mission, and gives the excuse that these demigods would have become internal threats to Raiden's legitimacy as Protector God and potential allies to Shao Kahn, Emperor of Outworld. He then explains that more demigods are more likely to invade Earthrealm in the future so the gullible mortals who worship Daegon plus Raiden will NEED him to be there. Raiden at this surprise turn of events is actually impressed with Daegon's "honesty" and offers a possible pact: He will allow Daegon to stay in Earthrealm unimpeded to start the Red Dragon Clan and "help" mankind develop throughout its history until they are strong enough to defend Earthrealm. In return, Daegon will not AID Outworld or the Netherrealm in any circumstance. This explains why the Red Dragon didn't openly side with Outworld in MK9 or the Netherrealm in MKX. Hell it's possible that during Shinnok's second invasion while the Special Forces were fighting the Netherrealm at the beginning of MKX, who was keeping tabs on Shinnok's forces in other parts of the world? The Red Dragon of course, fighting against forces Daegon was once LOYAL to to honor Raiden's pact. And to top it off, Raiden keeps this deal with Daegon a SECRET even from his close friend, the Wind God Fujin. Add that to his character flaw which is keeping secrets from the mortals that end up getting them killed.

"But krajax Daegon sent in Red Dragon units to Reiko to aid the conquest of earth realm and Outworld! He violated the pact!"

That is kinda true, but Daegon is smart and can do loopholes. Reiko could have walked up to Daegon and said, "I would like some of your Red Dragon to help me." And Daegon would just turn to those units and say, "You no longer follow my orders. Reiko is your new leader, not me." So Daegon could absolve himself of any responsibility of sending in Red Dragons to Outworld because those Red Dragon in Outworld were Reiko's men, not Daegon's men. It's wrong, but in this light Daegon still upholds his treaty with Raiden. Hell even Raiden might have confronted Daegon about this, Daegon simply gave his above excuse, and Raiden buys into it.

We know Dark Raiden has a history of making ruinous decisions like dealing with Shao Kahn in Armageddon that Kahn will honor Earthrealm's independence in return for Raiden stopping Taven from stopping Armageddon, even though we know Shao Kahn is an evil bastard. Now that Dark Raiden is back and irrational as ever, Daegon will finally begin his plan. He has Red Dragon soldiers confiscate Kano's nukes from Special Forces headquarters secretly that were given by Kotal in Issue #33 as part of Kotal's end of the accords, permanently mark them with Kotal Kahn's sigil, and plant them in every major city around the world. Coinciding with that, under the guise of an international businessman, Daegon will give orders to launch faux terrorist attacks on the Special Forces HQ, Lin Kuei Temple, and the White Lotus Society HQ with his Red Dragon men DISGUISED as Black Dragon thugs to distract Raiden's allies from the real event: the nuking of Earthrealm's cities. After the disaster, Dark Raiden is shocked and furious over this atrocity and Daegon comes forward with "evidence" of the nukes' engravings and the footage of the men attacking Raiden's allies that these were Black Dragon hired by Kotal Kahn to attack Earthrealm in preparation of an invasion. Raiden of course gobbles it up and declares interrealm war on Outworld even though Kotal and his allies are in no position of attacking Earthrealm after the events of MKX. Some of Raiden's allies buy it while others are suspicious of the circumstances and take no part in the war (who it will be is up to speculation). Even Fujin is skeptical about Raiden's conclusions, but the Thunder God has made his mind. Given his secret dealing with Daegon, it wouldn't be out of character for Dark Raiden to appoint someone he can trust to protect Earthrealm while he's out in Outworld and guess who it is: Daegon. BEHIND FUJIN'S BACK. So once Dark Raiden makes Daegon the LEGAL temporary Protector God of Earthrealm, the latter will finally reveal his face and cause major shit for Earthrealm behind Raiden's back. This I think is another example of Raiden keeping secrets (the Kamidogu) from his mortal allies and this lack of communication gets them killed. However I see this (keeping his partnership with Daegon a secret) as Raiden's DOWNFALL when his major character flaw that he keeps repeating finally bites him in the ass in MK11. Also, this makes Daegon extra badass as the only villain who has ever took over Earthrealm successfully without fighting Raiden in this act as a master manipulator. A feat both Shao Kahn AND Shinnok have failed at accomplishing. Plus giving him Clancy Brown's voice would definitely add to the manipulator and demigod ego Daegon has if he's confirmed playable.

So yeah that's my theory.

Later, I will discuss Daegon's motivations for Earthrealm psychologically in retrospect.


krajax, that's an incredible theory. You have plenty of writer talent and you are really good at creating powerful villains with unique motivations that don't actually make them villains but rather individuals with their own motivations. The NRS writers used to do this, but not anymore. They could use men like you in their team


I place Daegon's hiding and awakening closely to your timeline. I've seen fans say that it happened millions of years ago, but the opening scene in MK Armageddon konquest shows Argus and Delia on their balcony, clearly stating that they are engaged in war with Shao Kahn. Furthermore, as you play konquest, Taven states that he had repelled Kahn's forces once from Edenia. The war could not have lasted millions of years, that's just illogical, so the action takes place around 10.000 years ago, after Edenia's fighters had lost 10 tournaments in a row and Shao Kahn was allowed to invade. But as long as Protector God Argus yet lived and guided the Edenian Resistance, Shao Kahn was pushed back. Shinnok had Daegon awakened and poisoned his heart to make him kill Argus and Delia. Shao Kahn was then victorious, killed King Jerrod and named himself Emperor. This happened while Kitana was a child or rather a teen, as Sindel's MK3 ending shows, not an infant like the awful Legacy episode portrayed her.

With the Elder Gods weakened after Edenia's fall, Shinnok attacked Earth but Raiden and the elemental gods took the Amulet and imprisoned him in Hell. You could say that it's no way Shinnok's war with Raiden happened only 10.000 years back, but the only in-game reference that contradicts this is in MK4, when the war is said to have taken place "eons" ago and to have plunged the planet into centuries of chaos. It sounds awfully similar to the biblical and mythological flood on Earth that history pretty much places 10.000 years ago. 10.000 years could simply seem as eons to Shinnok when he was stuck in Hell, so it could easily be left to interpretation or retconned by NRS. This is the timeline or they just made a mistake, cause the intro scene in MKA konquest can't talk about a war that lasted millions of years and Shinnok was still respected as an Elder God then. This has to put the scene 10.000 years ago.

The Agricultural Revolution started then too, so Mortal Kombat should easily say that Edenian refugees came and taught primitive humans in a new beginning for Earthrealm after the saurians were given a new home in Zaterra. With time, shokans came over too and were worshiped in Ancient India as Gods (Shiva), the man-eating deity Moloch many times escaped on Earth and Dagon (Daegon) was a God in Ancient Levant and Mesopotamia.

I've had this theory that Daegon had always been a good man, a young fighter who lost everything 10.000 years ago, during a time of war when he was expected to be the realm's best hope. He's just such a tragic character that I can only see him gaining some sort of redemption. But for that, NRS needs a good writer...
I have my own theory about what happened in Edenia 10.000 years so I'll post below the link to where I've written it. The back story in my theory could still be true even though MKX took a different path than what I had predicted.

please check it out, I'm positive you'll enjoy it http://www.trmk.org/forums/showthread.php/31208-Mortal-Kombat-storyline-respecting-the-entire-known-canon
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08/25/2015 11:02 AM (UTC)
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Windy_Thunderstorm Wrote:
Or maybe things are written to look like Raiden's fault when it's really not that simple. I don't know why I'm going over this again. But he fried his champion because he attack him and tried to make a pack with Chi because there were no other options at that point. Especially when the jerk offs who burdened him with the job do nothing to help him.

I love most of Kittleson's story and I'm really trying not to be bias, but he seems to be on the blame Raiden for everything bandwagon.

There are so many other people at fault, formidable opponents, and uncooperative "allies" that make his job way harder than it already is.

Watching over a sacred knife or a single demi god my seem simple, but not when you have A B and C throwing a monkey wrench in your plans and progress every 2 seconds.

Not to mention some of it is just imperfect writing. Nobody else mentioned Deagon either. That's because the writer didn't care to, as Deagon is probably not relevant in his story anymore. Not necessarily because he's secretly smoking a bong with Raiden on their off days. Lol


Haven't you learned anything? Everything is Raiden's fault. LOL tongue
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Oni Lord Asmodeus
08/25/2015 03:32 PM (UTC)
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I stopped reading when you said Deagon was living in Earthrealm.

Deagon doesn't live in Earthrealm, but he does have Red Dragon bases in Earthrealm. The Red Dragon is an interrealm organization having bases all over, and they are obviously just as much as a problem for Kotal and Outworld, as they are for Raiden and Earthrealm.
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krajax
08/26/2015 06:31 AM (UTC)
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asmodeus Wrote:
I stopped reading when you said Deagon was living in Earthrealm.

Deagon doesn't live in Earthrealm, but he does have Red Dragon bases in Earthrealm. The Red Dragon is an interrealm organization having bases all over, and they are obviously just as much as a problem for Kotal and Outworld, as they are for Raiden and Earthrealm.


What about Charred Mountain? I assumed it was the Red Dragon's motherbase since it does contain Caro plus Daegon was present in that very base at MK Armageddon. So I assumed it was his main residency. If he wanted to keep a low profile, Daegon would have smaller installations for him to move and hide in both realms. He didn't even know Taven actually found out his location from Sub-Zero and infiltrated Charred Mountain so Daegon couldn't have planned out Taven searching him out.

We don't even know how many bases are in Earthrealm or Outworld not to mention Daegon's movements from realm to realm. Why would Daegon need to move realm to realm? He has his entire clan do all the dirty work for him. Does he just sit back and eat Cheetos?
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08/27/2015 04:39 PM (UTC)
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Can Daegon travel to Hell and back by just forcing Caro to open a portal?
He may be able to bring back every villain of the Red Dragon clan every time they die.

Maybe that's why they're so happy to serve under the Red Dragon, cause there is no more death.

Or, maybe not... the Netherrealm is an infinite realm. Souls of fallen Red Dragon memebers probably don't all appear in the same place, so they're hard to find.
But Mavado is lurking there somewhere. I can't wait for a War of Power in the Netherrealm with Liu Kang and Kitana's rule challenged by at least 2 or 3 parties, Noob Saibot's group, Reiko's group and maybe a few more. Many characters have died. The Netherrealm should be the prime stage for the comic
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Oni Lord Asmodeus
08/27/2015 04:57 PM (UTC)
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krajax Wrote:
asmodeus Wrote:
I stopped reading when you said Deagon was living in Earthrealm.

Deagon doesn't live in Earthrealm, but he does have Red Dragon bases in Earthrealm. The Red Dragon is an interrealm organization having bases all over, and they are obviously just as much as a problem for Kotal and Outworld, as they are for Raiden and Earthrealm.


What about Charred Mountain? I assumed it was the Red Dragon's motherbase since it does contain Caro plus Daegon was present in that very base at MK Armageddon. So I assumed it was his main residency. If he wanted to keep a low profile, Daegon would have smaller installations for him to move and hide in both realms. He didn't even know Taven actually found out his location from Sub-Zero and infiltrated Charred Mountain so Daegon couldn't have planned out Taven searching him out.

We don't even know how many bases are in Earthrealm or Outworld not to mention Daegon's movements from realm to realm. Why would Daegon need to move realm to realm? He has his entire clan do all the dirty work for him. Does he just sit back and eat Cheetos?


I actually re-read the comic, and in the comic Kotal makes a reference to the RD by lamenting that Mileena made an alliance with the "Red Dragon of Earthrealm". And yeah, thinking back about Armageddon, and how Caro was housed in Charred Mountain, you're probably right that Earthrealm was where it all started for him just as it started there for Taven.

So yeah, the RD have bases all over, but I think you make a good case for their HQ being in Earthrealm.
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08/27/2015 10:40 PM (UTC)
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kamouniyak Wrote:
Can Daegon travel to Hell and back by just forcing Caro to open a portal?
He may be able to bring back every villain of the Red Dragon clan every time they die.

Maybe that's why they're so happy to serve under the Red Dragon, cause there is no more death.

Or, maybe not... the Netherrealm is an infinite realm. Souls of fallen Red Dragon memebers probably don't all appear in the same place, so they're hard to find.
But Mavado is lurking there somewhere. I can't wait for a War of Power in the Netherrealm with Liu Kang and Kitana's rule challenged by at least 2 or 3 parties, Noob Saibot's group, Reiko's group and maybe a few more. Many characters have died. The Netherrealm should be the prime stage for the comic


Hmmm that is a good way to bring back Mavado and Hsu Hao from the dead plus it makes sense since Daegon can travel to the Netherrealm because he's part god not to mention he's HEAVILY tainted with evil.
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krajax
09/16/2015 04:42 PM (UTC)
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So on Daegon's psychology.

You know that Daegon is the younger brother despite the fact that they almost look alike (not older Daegon). The thing that bugs me is that Armageddon never really elaborated on the relationship between Taven and Daegon as brothers. Was it a good one or did they have bad blood between them? Shinnok briefly mentions both of them as he recalled Taven beating Daegon in the games (what games he failed to clarify) while speaking to Taven in the Netherrealm. Without that elaboration, Daegon's motivation for wanting to kill Taven over the prize seems IMO a little nonchalant.

How about this: The way I envision it, MK11 can have flashbacks back to old Edenia that show both Taven and Daegon competing against each other just for fun (running, hide-and-seek, combat, fire) and both of them have a really good relationship. Daegon loses all of the games like the canon timeline, but Taven doesn't really look down on Daegon, but actually tries to help Daegon train harder for the next bouts. I want to see that caring big brother caricature rather than the cold-hearted Bi-Han persona for Taven. The flashbacks can also display their different strengths like Taven's really good at combat and fire magic while Daegon has a keen mind for how politics work. They both have a caring mother Delia who's mortal, but have a distant and stern father Argus who while isn't talking about the sanctity of the realm and being the role model of a "true Protector God" is fucking mortals behind Delia's back being somewhat of a hypocrite. From there, Taven wants to be amongst the mortals because he's much closer to his mother and doesn't WANT to be indifferent and worshipped like Argus (maybe Delia tells Taven to always watch out humbly for his mortal counterparts and his little brother as he gets older; that promise will haunt Taven in MK11 and hereafter) while Daegon wants to be concerned about ruling Edenia like his father Argus. In fact both brothers actually want to rule Edenia side-by-side instead of fighting and bickering over it. However Argus for some douchey reason sees Daegon as the runt and favors Taven in every scenario over Daegon, grooming him as Protector God which frustrates Daegon (even Taven is put off by Argus's treatment of Daegon.) Eventually, things finally come to a clash when Taven starts spending some more time with a female childhood friend tomboy from another noble family and Daegon is pretty jealous that Taven is giving attention to this mortal than him. After being humiliated in a fun match against this mortal female, Daegon tries to kill her, but Taven comes to her defense. This comes to a point where Daegon stabs Taven accidentally much to the latter's shock (immediately Daegon is horrified at what he's done and apologizes constantly to his big brother). Argus uses this incident to scold Daegon and strip him of any privileges to being Protector God though Taven knows it's an accident and tries convincing his father unsuccessfully to not punish him. Soon after, both Taven and Daegon are put in comas, Daegon awakes first etc. He comes across Shinnok who uses his guile to manipulate Daegon into believing that Argus favored Taven over him and that he let Edenia fall to Shao Kahn. Shinnok also compares himself to Daegon that they're both fallen forms (Daegon being half of everything) and that both gods and mortals hate them because they're jealous of both their potential to use their powers to rule worlds and their capacity to understand mortals unlike the asshole Elder Gods. Daegon is pissed off, finds his parents and murders them after they tell him about the quest (being knocked out and being used as pawns must have pissed Daegon even further), and goes to Earthrealm to found the Red Dragon.

Daegon's plan for Earthrealm I can see is TERRAFORMING Earthrealm into a new Edenia for his new Red Dragon hybrids (half man-dragon and half-Earthrealmer-Edenian) while using the power of Blaze, he'll rule this new world as this new god. In order to do that, Daegon frames Kotal Kahn as a scapegoat for Dark Raiden to exit Earthrealm and wage war in Outworld while the demigod can use his Red Dragon forces to divide them into two factions: one to wipe out the remaining Earthrealm defenders and one in Outworld to wipe out the Edenian Resistance (the mortal Edenians that he despises as inferior). By terraforming Earthrealm and being their god, Daegon in a way wants to show that he's BETTER than Argus and can create a BETTER world for his creations as Argus, Daegon believed has failed to do.

One thing still lingers in Daegon's mind that haunts him which might prove to be his fatal flaw: his obsession with killing Taven. Ever since Shinnok manipulated him and having his life always be downplayed in favor of his brother back home, I can see Daegon at this point finally snap, fuck all rationale and see Taven as the scapegoat for all of his problems. One of his main objectives in founding the Red Dragon was hunting for Taven so he can lure him out to fight him. Being awake for 9,000 years and leading the Red Dragon has made Daegon a successful warrior, but he's not satisfied with his life. He WANTS to find, fight, and kill his brother Taven to prove who's the BETTER brother to the point where it could come to that point where none of Daegon's plans will actually matter and be abandoned in the moment as he's solely focused on butchering his brother as an insult to his father's visions for Taven. I can kind of see Daegon as an evil Vegeta who feels like his pride has been stepped on constantly despite the fact Taven never did any wrong towards Daegon. I think my summary displays Daegon not just as an understandable villain, but a tragic figure IMO.
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09/16/2015 08:08 PM (UTC)
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Great interpretation of what was not shown on-screen during the games. Hopefully some day that Edenian period will be shown in comics or another game.

I agree that Taven cared deeply for Daegon even though he used to win against him in competitions (like the Olympics I guess, but for Gods). Daegon will always be his little brother.
We don't know if Argus slept with other women. The circumstances surrounding Rain's birth are still mysterious. Argus gave me the impression of an honorable wise Protector God.

Have you read my theory about it?

http://www.trmk.org/forums/showthread.php/31208-Mortal-Kombat-storyline-respecting-the-entire-known-canon
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