This how Mortal Kombat 7 needs to be done.
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posted07/28/2005 09:28 PM (UTC)by
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07/25/2005 05:05 PM (UTC)
Post theories here of how the next MK game should work. Lets face it MKD has some shitacular programming.

Heres some of my thoughts:

1.Improve charector balance. -I find myself wondering what the MKTeam was thinking when they made some of the moves. The super-fast pop-ups for example: Scorp Sword F+1

2.Bring back Animalities, Friendships, and Babalities. -THATS WHY I STARTED PLAYING MK!! (For those of us that play the PS2 version. How funny what it be to Babality Chimage?)

3.No new modes, just make the VS. system A LOT better.-We bought MK to fight ,not to play tetris. Did anyone enjoy Konquest? I didnt.

4.Bring back impales. -Those were cool in MKDA I want them back.

5.Online-O boy! fire your Online team cause this is absolutely the worst online of any game Ive ever played. Take some hints from EAs team. No more friggin Lamespy.

6.LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND BE AROUND. Id like to talk to a MK designer that actually plays the game. Like you could actually appear live online with your fanbase. Or at least do chat sessions or something we're starting to feel ignored.

7. Stop killing Sub-Zero. He gets weaker with every new game.

8.Keep Dairou, but edit his TD-Drop cause that think is retarded.

9.More innovative fatalities. Decaptation is getting old. Unless one of the charectors actually got out a guillitine and cut the others head off.

10.better boses. Im tired of the boss charectors being ultra cheap and not that intelligent. How bout if the boss of the game is diferent for each charectorbut up the dificulty a little more. Example: Dairou's boss would be Hotaru.

Thats all I got for now. What are some of your thoughts?
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07/27/2005 08:49 PM (UTC)
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This should really be posted in the MK Design Plan thread at the top of this forum instead of making a new thread for it.
Unfortunately there are too many RPG fans that Ed Boon wants to please for the $.

I always say please concentrate on the most important concept only which is the fighting.

Puzzle Kombat - OK
Konquestrunaroundlikeaheadlesschicken - Nahh.
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07/28/2005 08:19 AM (UTC)
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i saw they should use a fighting engine that is similare (if not just like) to the fighting engine in tekken 5, Soul Calibur 2, and Virtua Fighter 4. id much much much rather have 1 style that has good depth to it rather than 3 different styles that r all have depth thats half assed or less. maybe they could actually do some thing real good with just 2 styles with the new console technology.

FMV ENDINGS! omg in MKDA and MKD they took a step BACK! in the endings department atleast. in MK4 they got FMV endings. how they have them in MKDA and MKD r alright and let u know what exactly is happening, BUT if Tekken 5 can have FMV endings for each of their chars, several game modes, and have a actual bigger roster of chars than MKD has (atleast i think it does) then y the hell couldnt MKD have sweet looking FMV endings? my guess is due to time restraints, but they should take 3 or 4 years to make the game to make it just incredible.

another thing in MK4 that wasnt in MKDA or MKD is that in MK4 the chars had 3 costumes. y now only 2? cmon Boon. I KNOW that u can have 3 costumes for each chars. I KNOW u guys made costumes for some chars that u ended up taking out of the game. WTF?!?! cmon Boon 3 costumes in MK7 aiight? atleast for the real populare chars.

as for Konquest mode.... its not a bad idea to have it since it is what first teaches us how to play with the characters. yet it still sucks. so if u must have it then make it like it was in MKDA. honestly that wasnt so bad cuz we atleast got to learn whats been up with each character (that is how we found out that Motaro and Sheeva r now dead).

as for other game modes like MK Chess and Puzzle Kombat well they arent needed. they r nice in MKD but neither mode is needed to be in MK7. although it wouldnt be so hard for u guys to put them (or one of them) in MK7 since u already have figured out every thing for them to work well. just so u wouldnt have to create some thing new. although personally id rather u forget about other game modes so u can work on a new fighting engine, FMV endings, ect.

some thing i would like to see in MK7 actually as a returning mode is the 2 vs. 2 , but instead of only making that a multiplayer mode make it so we can play against the cpu always 2 vs. 2.

finishers.... animalities, brutalities, friendships, ect. ........ i wouldnt mind to see animalities return as one of the characters finishers. as for all the others including hara-kiri's id rather not see return.

as for Death Traps..... well im not sure. they work well and r fun in MKD. so i guess id like them to be in MK7 as well. just as long as there isnt invisible walls im good.

and now the most important thing.... the roster. Boon u need to listen to US! Rain is on very high demand to return so BRING HIM BACK ALREADY! Sektor is on very high demand to return as well so BRING HIM BACK ALSO! i cant believe it but Stryker is even getting on high demand to return so.... well id rather him stay out forever but go ahead and bring him back too if that is what will make the ppl happy. so listen to us Boon. we know what we want more than what u think what we want.

thats all i got. but i swear if there isnt a new fighting engine in MK7, Rain and Sektor not in the roster (and Reptile better be too!) , and no FMV endings imma be hella pissed! o and there better be one kick ass SU character as well with his own moves.

speaking of SU's.... Boon i cant believe u screwed us over with MKD. better make up for it with MK7.

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07/28/2005 11:26 AM (UTC)
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-for a start, a decent engine. Leave out the too fast buffering for attacks and sidestep glitch attacks should be compromised. 50/50 mixups should stay but be more subtle.

-assign every limb for a button, but make it fit the current fighting style with the usage. Breakers should be incorporated parts of the style and no bonus moves.

-different fighting styles (at least 50 different styles can be recorded via motion capture, I don't know why you people complain about this)

-reasonable styles for each character (IMO, Sonya-Krav Maga, Havik-Dim Mak, Kira-Kurash) what fit their movement culture and body build. Also, more reasonable weapon choices (nothing like Sonyas MK4 wind mill blade, God that sucked)

-decent character explanatory: I mean, the newer concepts are full of potential but they are dumbed down becouse complete vagueness. More subtlety with the storyline (establish Sub-Zeros conflict with Noob and make his new nemesis Hotaru for example)

-leave out puzzle. Chess should b used for something other than fun play. Sam oes or the crypt, make it's content worthwile and more competitive. Like a ladder for the crypts where ou unlock more and more usefull things for the characters.

-unbiased character returns. Don't listen to fanboyism and please don't return Rain, or any other character that would have a greatly illogical and unbefitting retun explanation. Lerave the dead to rot, that would make MK more ruesome. Let there be tragedies (IMO no more Liu Kang in future installments).

-leave out ressurections.

-imrpove Onaga, let him play a major role again.

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07/28/2005 12:02 PM (UTC)
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leave out Liu Kang? fanboy in me..... cant.... resist...... plz.... forgive me...... MEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

SCREW U MAN LIU KANG 4EVA BABY YEAH!!!!!!!!! wink

anyways i dont agree with u that Rain shouldnt come back. who is to say he is even dead? y dont u think Boon should listen to ppl and give them what they want? a majority of ppl want Rain back including me. but a majority of ppl dont even like Rain that much. like he isnt a fav of a lot of ppl. still so many of us want to see his return. same thing with Stryker. Stryker is one of the most hated MK chars but so many want to see him return as well. i mean wouldnt it make more sense to have a roster of characters that can satisfy most MK fans? i mean when characters like Rain, Sektor, and Stryker become high demands to be in the next MK i dont see how they cant put them in there without actually loseing some of the overall MK fanbase. eventually some MK fans will get fed up with Boon ignoreing us.

and y wouldnt like Rain make sense to come back in MK7? unless they brought him back with his story having no real importance then yea that wouldnt make sense. just like how the whole Chaos and Order Realm stuff doesnt make sense to be in MKD since it doesnt effect the main things going on in the story line and arent that interesting imo. but depending on what Rain's story would be in MK7 most likely he will have a good role to play. right now in MK7 i dont see it being a better time for him to return. it makes most sense for Rain to return in MK7 since most likely Kahn will be the big bad once again.

really it just sounds like u dont like how things work with MK. maybe u should go play some thing else instead like Tekken 5 or some thing.
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07/28/2005 01:48 PM (UTC)
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just bring back Ermacgrin
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07/28/2005 03:08 PM (UTC)
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SCREW U MAN LIU KANG 4EVA BABY YEAH!!!!!!!!!"
-was that needed?

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"anyways i dont agree with u that Rain shouldnt come back. who is to say he is even dead?"
-most likely if you wiew his ending in MK trilogy. Either he is dead or lur-king. Doesn't matter, he is a complete coward and a slave to his own fate.

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"y dont u think Boon should listen to ppl and give them what they want?"
-becouse confronting demands would hurt the overall coherency of the MK plotline and even the games overall design. Most people would ask for

"a majority of ppl want Rain back including me."
-majority on THIS site perhaps, and on other Mk sites. But it'not that signifi-cant...yet.

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but a majority of ppl dont even like Rain that much. like he isnt a fav of a lot of ppl. still so many of us want to see his return. same thing with Stryker. Stryker is one of the most hated MK chars but so many want to see him return as well. i mean wouldnt it make more sense to have a roster of characters that can satisfy most MK fans?"

-no. Again, coherency is in question. Let's not succumb to reharsed and overall dry gameplay. And don't forget, the roster HAS to be kept refreshed with new characters. The almost exact returning feature is past yesterday now. it would hurt the already pathetic sales.

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"I mean when characters like Rain, Sektor, and Stryker become high demands to be in the next MK i dont see how they cant put them in there without actually loseing some of the overall MK fanbase. eventually some MK fans will get fed up with Boon ignoreing us.

-everyone is entitled to his/her/it's own opinion. I think boon does a good job keeping out most of the IMO worthless characters like Reiko, Sheeva,
Jarek and co.

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"and y wouldnt like Rain make sense to come back in MK7? unless they brought him back with his story having no real importance then yea that wouldnt make sense. just like how the whole Chaos and Order Realm stuff doesnt make sense to be in MKD since it doesnt effect the main things going on in the story line and arent that interesting imo."

-your personal opinion. And it indeed affects the outcome of things. Onaga sends his ally Hotaru out to eliminat one of the most powerful earthly hero Sub-Zero. Really, that doesn't involves with anything concerning base MK.
-sigh-

other: however Chaosrealms and Seidos involvement is INDEED scarce and it needs to be expanded IMO. It bases on existing mythology and it's character designs and overall ideas are golden compared to MK4 and so.
(like Seido for instance: a rule-driwen world, it could be an opressive regi-me of utmost tyranny serving those in power, and as for the resistance, it could be equally bad and vicious. Only those who are stuck in the middle are considered "innocent" but even that may prove wrong. Chaosrealm? well, it's Chaosrealm. Anything is possible.)

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"but depending on what Rain's story would be in MK7 most likely he will have a good role to play. right now in MK7 i dont see it being a better time for him to return. it makes most sense for Rain to return in MK7 since most likely Kahn will be the big bad once again."

-speculation. And besides, we already have TOO MUCH good guys, let alone turncoats. Kitana, Sindel for instance. The edenians are already given too much credit, yet save for MKDA they didn't really do anything. Well, Sindel as the portals anchor, but that not really important from this prespective. maybe from another, but not from this.

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"really it just sounds like u dont like how things work with MK. maybe u should go play some thing else instead like Tekken 5 or some thing."

First you are in no position to give me instructions on MK. Second, my experience with literature, writing, and overall story composition entitles me a little bit to be critical over MK. Third, I already know T1 to T5 with TTT and I don't like it. Same goes with other japanese stereotypical fighter games. Fourth: what he hell does MK storyline have to do with me swap-ping it for Tekken if I care about it? Think people, think!

I kinda got the headache from that last one. I'm not trying to offend or offending someone, but please, at least take into consideration the principles of storytelling. And try to be at least a bit unbiased, thats all
I really ask for.


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07/28/2005 03:44 PM (UTC)
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Well if we're going to be unbiased, then Rain coming back should be a yes and no thing. If his story won't revolve around the main story of MK7 maybe not, but if it does, then maybe yes. Isn't it obvious that MK7 could be just about anything, and any character could be developed to revolve around that story.

Too many good guys - opinion, maybe less bad guys is the thing? I agree with you though but I had to point out an opinion. Solution - make more bad guys.

And the thing about Edenians having too much credit, the only Edenians kickin ass are Sindel and Kitana who both were at high status in two separate games. Kitana (MKDA) Sindel (MKD). But in my Opinion Rain would be a nice fit seeing as he'd be the only male Edenian.

So it's not whether the character's story will fit with the current MK7 story which no one here knows, but what the story will include to fit in the characters.
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07/28/2005 04:30 PM (UTC)
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KEEP THE ROU!!! KEEP THE ROU!!! AND O YEAH.... KEEP THE ROU!!!

Please refrain from typing your replies all in caps. Thanks.

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07/28/2005 04:38 PM (UTC)
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One think i believe is that the style on MKDA and MKD is a little bit to medieval, i don ́t know scorpions outfit is not yellow, it ́s GOLD(?????) and there is too much gold stuff in the outfits and shit and don ́t know it doesn ́t have the same vibe as the other MKs , all of the outfits are over the top and full of BS , BOON take the new characters and outfits down a notch, give everebody more costumes, kool and variated weapons god damn , almost all of the weapons have the same moves!!!!!!

About the story, i hated the hole chaos realm - order realm bullshit , Vogel should keep what we ́ve already got, they are clearly created so the konquest mode had more realms. develop onega ́s story but separatye him and reptile. new characters should be more MK2/MK3 like

About the konquest mode, it sucked on mkd and mkda so get it out of there and have a GOOOOOD fmv intro explaning a little back storie of the characters and have good bios (like MKD) to explain the rest.

More characters , and secret characters more like mk2 and mk3 some that you can fight and play with some that are like jade and smoke in mk2 ULTIMATE KOMBAT KODES, bring them back and don ́t leak them on the first day and make different kodes for different systems

and if possible launch a version on arcade

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FMV ENDINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!smilesadwinkgrinconfusedwowfurioustonguesleepglasses
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07/28/2005 04:50 PM (UTC)
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MK needs to get back to its roots.
Also BOONE: TAKE OUT THE DAMN EVERYBODY CHARECTORS: NOT MORE SHANG, No MORE SHIINOK, ANd NO MORE SHUJINK-HO.

As for the weapons what if after you chose your charector you went to a weapons select screen? What if you got to pick what styles you wanted to use?

Kool weapons:
Katana
Sai
Freeze Wand
Spinning Blade Wheel
Sledge Hammer
Just a regular switchblade (Id like that one)
Night Stix
Baraka Blades
Tomahawks
Rope Spear (similar to the one Scorp has but use it as an actual weapon)
Chainsaw (LOL Come on I had to say it.)
Laser Crossbow
Johnny Cages MK4 Gun
Scythe

Ill think of more later.
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07/28/2005 05:26 PM (UTC)
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1.Improve charector balance. -I find myself wondering what the MKTeam was thinking when they made some of the moves. The super-fast pop-ups for example: Scorp Sword F+1

This goes without saying. A balanced roster of characters is essential in any good beat em up. Every character must have a chance to stand up to every other character. This really isn't the case in MKD.
2.Bring back Animalities, Friendships, and Babalities. -THATS WHY I STARTED PLAYING MK!! (For those of us that play the PS2 version. How funny what it be to Babality Chimage?)

I liked Frienships, but Babalities and especially the lame Animalities should be left in the past.
3.No new modes, just make the VS. system A LOT better.-We bought MK to fight ,not to play tetris. Did anyone enjoy Konquest? I didnt.

If we have new modes, they must be fighting themed. Like a tag team option, or survival mode. I agree on not wanting Konquest back, the space wasted on this should have been used on the fighting engine.
4.Bring back impales. -Those were cool in MKDA I want them back.

I quite liked impales, but other players found them cheap. Maybe they should be harder to pull off, or the opponent has a way to stop the bleeding.
5.Online-O boy! fire your Online team cause this is absolutely the worst online of any game Ive ever played. Take some hints from EAs team. No more friggin Lamespy.

I'm mixed on this one, to be honest I'm not an online player. Godd beat em ups tend to suffer from reduced framerates online, which can really affect the fighting.
6.LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND BE AROUND. Id like to talk to a MK designer that actually plays the game. Like you could actually appear live online with your fanbase. Or at least do chat sessions or something we're starting to feel ignored.

Oh they have to do this. I'd like to see them listen to fans who actually know what is needed to improve the game. They also need better playtesters, maybe who don't work for them, and are more likely to point out problems. Again, this is where fans could come in, since we're the ones expected to buy the finished product.
7. Stop killing Sub-Zero. He gets weaker with every new game.

This comes under balance. I'm very surprised that MK's other fan favourite is so neglected in terms of gameplay, when they give Scorpion so many upgrades.
8.Keep Dairou, but edit his TD-Drop cause that think is retarded.

Dairou sucks imo, and I'd rather not see him back at all. He would need a total makeover for me to consider him worthy.
9.More innovative fatalities. Decaptation is getting old. Unless one of the charectors actually got out a guillitine and cut the others head off.

10.better boses. Im tired of the boss charectors being ultra cheap and not that intelligent. How bout if the boss of the game is diferent for each charectorbut up the dificulty a little more. Example: Dairou's boss would be Hotaru.

I like the idea of character specific bosses, helps the flow of the storyline better. And yes, bosses do need to be better quality, maybe they should try a normal sized martial arts boss, but much tougher than regular fighter, rather than the usual monster.
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07/28/2005 09:28 PM (UTC)
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Dairou sucks imo, and I'd rather not see him back at all. He would need a total makeover for me to consider him worthy.
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