Triborg Should Become The Official Canon Cyborg of Mortal Kombat
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posted02/10/2016 04:35 PM (UTC)by
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MisterGatsby
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01/20/2015 05:40 PM (UTC)
Now I love both Cyrax and Sektor, and was saddened to see they missed out on the MKX boat. But in hindsight maybe Triborg should be the one and only Cyborg killing machine from now on. I would rather him stand out rather than a future game taking up roster spots with "Different Flavor" cyborgs. What are your thoughts?
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redman
01/28/2016 07:17 PM (UTC)
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No. Cyrax, Sektor, and Smoke are all different and unique cyborgs with their own personalities and stories. I don't want that to be tossed to the side just for the convenience of having all of the cyborgs in one character.
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KenshiMaster16
01/28/2016 07:30 PM (UTC)
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redman Wrote:
No. Cyrax, Sektor, and Smoke are all different and unique cyborgs with their own personalities and stories. I don't want that to be tossed to the side just for the convenience of having all of the cyborgs in one character.


This.
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MisterGatsby
01/28/2016 07:34 PM (UTC)
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You know I suppose thats fair, however I feel Smoke should remain human or perhaps expand more on the Enenra angle.
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KenshiMaster16
01/28/2016 07:51 PM (UTC)
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MisterGatsby Wrote:
You know I suppose thats fair, however I feel Smoke should remain human or perhaps expand more on the Enenra angle.


I think this is what the majority wants.

In my personal opinion of course, Cyrax is better off as a force for good or at least a character who wants to find his place in the world away from the Lin Kuei, Sektor is better off being the power-hungry cybernetic klan leader and Smoke's Enenra angle would breathe more interesting life into the character.
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The_TooCool_Master
01/28/2016 08:02 PM (UTC)
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We wouldn't want Chameleon to come back so we can save space on Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Reptile, right?

I want Cyrax to come back as a half-cyborg like in Deadly Alliance. I want Sektor to go all devil and form the Tekunin. I want Smoke to come back and go full Enenra.

I don't want one random guy hogging their powers.
The_TooCool_Master Wrote:
We wouldn't want Chameleon to come back so we can save space on Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Reptile, right?

I want Cyrax to come back as a half-cyborg like in Deadly Alliance. I want Sektor to go all devil and form the Tekunin. I want Smoke to come back and go full Enenra.

I don't want one random guy hogging their powers.


I was gonna say the same about Chameleon.

MK with only 1 playable character...
Shang Tsung, since he can be anyone...



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redman Wrote:
No. Cyrax, Sektor, and Smoke are all different and unique cyborgs with their own personalities and stories. I don't want that to be tossed to the side just for the convenience of having all of the cyborgs in one character.

What personalities? What stories?
As humans, yes. But by the new reboot, as cyborgs, you can't tell a difference.
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01/29/2016 12:32 PM (UTC)
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Smoke was always my favourite Cyborg, so I'm glad to see him back in a modern MK game... although I think changing his colour was unnecessary. confused
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Well, you all got your Tremor now. Can we finally move on?

01/29/2016 05:21 PM (UTC)
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I do think Tri-borg should continue on in some capacity. We have no idea what his story is (or if its even remotely canon) but the concept is interesting. Part of me even wonders if they do read forum postings and take ideas from time to time, as long ago (on another site, in another time) I had posted a Sektor fatality concept that involved him impaling the opponent and "absorbing" their ability, leaving a gruesome husk of a corpse behind (think how the Husks were made in Mass Effect). As part of the post-fatality win pose, one of Sektor's wrist-mounted launchers would reconfigure and fire off a projectile relevant to the character he killed (i.e. an ice ball, a ball of hellfire, a green net).

It sounded much better when I put it into detail years ago.

The point is, that's what Tri-borg reminds me of. He seems to have assimilated Cyrax and Sektor's abilities somehow.
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PaletteSwap40000
01/29/2016 07:06 PM (UTC)
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He definitely shouldn't. Storywise, Triborg is a step backward for Sektor, Cyrax, and Smoke.
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KenshiMaster16
01/29/2016 07:07 PM (UTC)
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The problem is no matter how popular he becomes, Triborg is always going to be relegated to C/Khameleon status because he'll never be as popular as the characters he's taking from.

Unless they end up giving him his own schtick in the future, he's more than likely going to be just as damned as they are.
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ShaolinChuan
01/29/2016 07:39 PM (UTC)
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Triborg is going to be the 1 time, 1 shine character. I promise you won't see him again for a while. Skarlet, Tremor, Chameleon among others. For the time being, I love the idea behind him although I was hesitant before seeing him in action. I kinda grew up with each cyborg to my own liking, I liked Cyrax the most in MK3 and Deadly Alliance. In MK9 I favored Sektor. I'm mainly excited to finally try out Smoke in Cyber-form since who knows when the last time we've seen him as a cyborg. Cyber Smoke looks sick A.F.

Triborg's been created out of the variation system. What's great is that when you choose your variation cyborg, the character looks almost completely different from one another. He's 4 cyborgs in 1, and I love all of them. I love Fulgore in KI, I love Predator (since he was the main influence behind their design), I'm a cyborg freak. Killing machines are awesome.

He probably won't be canon, but I sure as hell am going to play the hell out of selecting him in MKX, even though I realize he will probably only make 1 appearance for the rest of MK's history from here on out.

If the variation system will be used again, then maybe he has a shot to be in another title.

Since we're on the topic of Triborg, how the hell is he a cyborg and still able to detach his head? is there a human brain in that head since he can toss it? guess we'll leave it to Scorpion to slice him open to find out. Well maybe Triborg being a more advanced cyborg allows him to do that. The body might contain human organs like the cyborgs in MK9.
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DjangoDrag
01/29/2016 07:51 PM (UTC)
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I'm fine with him being his own character, but not assuming the role of the others. That's a little crazy. I do agree that since the reboot Cyrax and Sektor have yet to form strong identities and distinctions, but that will come with time.

With MKX NRS have breathed new life into all of these characters, and created several new ones that push the classic players and MK world as a whole in new and interesting directions, both narratively and gameplay-wise. It's going to be awesome to see what Sektor and Cyrax become in this new direction MK is headed in.
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The_TooCool_Master
01/29/2016 09:57 PM (UTC)
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Well they had a lot of interesting development in the comic book.

Sektor turned to cloning to create a mindless armor of cyborgs that even without mind control were pretty much numb brainwashed killing machine.

When Cyrax's mind control was turned off and he regained control of himself he helped Sub-Zero destroy what remained of the Lin Kuei. When the opportunity presented itself he decided to turn good, something he juggled with before turning into a cyborg and something he did in the old timeline.

They were barely there but Sektor was developped as the most horrible he's ever been while Cyrax redeemed himself. Cyrax's death itself was pretty vague. He could easily show up again with the simple explanation that he disappeared after blowing up the Lin Kuei Underground base to live alone in exile to atone for the sins he commited under Sektor's rule.

Considering Sektor's head is the only piece of Lin Kuei equipment left (except for Triborg) they could easily bring back Sektor through this.

One of his mirror intros mentions the Tekunin, or so I heard.

I absolutely love both characters. It blew my mind when they showed up in MK9 pre-transformation.
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01/29/2016 11:34 PM (UTC)
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Wow. This post really grinds my gears (ha). There is nothing remotely special about Tri-borg. He exists solely so NRS didn't have to create three (i guess four with cyber sub) separate character endings and four sets of intro dialogue with the rest of the cast. That and he needed a name on the character select screen. Thats it. Anything remotely special or cool about him is stolen from the other Cyborgs. He straight up has no special abilities of his own. He was completely pulled out of NRS's ass to fit the variation system. I'm glad all four robots get a seemingly deep variant in MKX gameplay wise, but I absolutely hate the fact they made this collection its "own character." I don't care if they resurrect Shakespeare to write Tri-borg's storyline, its going to suck and we will never see this character again. The character doesn't even make sense to begin with on a totally basic level, one character is three different characters that can appear on the screen all at once. Thats fucking stupid. Even for MK.

Don't get me wrong tho, I am pumped Tri-borg is in the game and was pleasantly surprised all the Cyborgs are gonna make it into MKX. I mained Sektor and Cyrax in MK9 and love their play style. I just don't see why Tri-borg was remotely necessary and think his character is just a dumb idea all together. They should have just made his character ending what happend to the Lin Kuei after MK9 and had his match intro just be whatever variation you picked saying the generic robot shit he's bound to say anyway. Cyber smoke and Sub are no longer cannon so as cool as it would have been to get the whole 'what if' side of their story its not really needed. Like I completely forgive NRS for combining four characters into one just to make them playable in MKX, in fact I'm glad they did that. BUT its just so fuckin lame to call that collection its own character and completely undermine the uniqueness of the individual characters whom make it up. Especially in regards to their story lines.

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redman Wrote:
No. Cyrax, Sektor, and Smoke are all different and unique cyborgs with their own personalities and stories. I don't want that to be tossed to the side just for the convenience of having all of the cyborgs in one character.

What personalities? What stories?
As humans, yes. But by the new reboot, as cyborgs, you can't tell a difference.


First off there is no "as humans," its the same characters. Not to mention the fighting styles/special abilities of each absolutely reeked with personality in MK9. Also the new reboot had shitty writing and only really covered their origin. Secondly the Cybrogs got shafted by the shitty roster of MKX, their stories never got progressed because we needed ample room for the entire extended Blade/Cage family and every single Special Forces member as well as their allies. Kung Lao's cousin is in the game, his fucking COUSIN. Even now with the cyborgs inclusion added almost a year after release all we'll get is the shitty adventures of tri-borg and his quest to be forgotten.
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02/01/2016 03:25 PM (UTC)
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I'm actually 50% split on this.

It works....and....it doesn't.

I feel like it can be done great if it is given the right amount of care and eventually they would end up splitting again.
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02/01/2016 04:05 PM (UTC)
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But Triborg is just a nickname for Noob Saibot. How is Noob not a conon ? grin
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Well, you all got your Tremor now. Can we finally move on?

02/01/2016 04:45 PM (UTC)
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The_TooCool_Master Wrote:


I absolutely love both characters. It blew my mind when they showed up in MK9 pre-transformation.


THIS. So much of it.

When I saw them with Sub-Zero I was like "Wait, who the f--- are these g...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!" and then they were fully playable in their human forms, with different sound fx and animations. That was one of the biggest highlights of MK9 for me.

This is why I want both characters back, especially Sektor. His establishment as a villain with potentially boss-level threat to the realms makes him that much cooler.
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02/01/2016 08:40 PM (UTC)
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Spaceman Wrote:

He exists solely so NRS didn't have to create three (i guess four with cyber sub) separate character endings and four sets of intro dialogue with the rest of the cast.


I've seen this argument presented as evidence of bad writing/ laziness quite a bit and it really doesn't make much sense. A character that is specifically created to serve a function is not inherently a bad thing at all, and I'd probably prefer a character that is driven by function rather than form. Such characters are typically the pieces that make stories function. They're pretty vital. One could argue that Shao Kahn and perhaps even Shang were both such characters. Shao Kahn was always pretty two dimensional in the games, serving as little more than a device to create problems for the heroes to solve and thus make the games possible.

You could go on and name characters like Rain who exists just because Ed wanted a purple ninja, or Reptile because Ed wanted a secret ninja fight, or even Sonya who was apparently created to keep MK1 from being a sausage fest. But yeah, making characters to serve a function often leads to a lot of fun characters. It just depends on the writing.

For some unknown reason, my brain keeps thinking about the Merchant from Resident Evil 4. People love that guy, but he does solely exist to be a resource management menu, and I wouldn't have it any other way. haha

Quicksilver was kind of that way too in X-Men: Days of Future Past, and again, he ended up being one of the best parts of the movie.

As far as Triborg goes, we'll have to wait and see. Ya never know.

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02/01/2016 10:37 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
Spaceman Wrote:

He exists solely so NRS didn't have to create three (i guess four with cyber sub) separate character endings and four sets of intro dialogue with the rest of the cast.


I've seen this argument presented as evidence of bad writing/ laziness quite a bit and it really doesn't make much sense. A character that is specifically created to serve a function is not inherently a bad thing at all, and I'd probably prefer a character that is driven by function rather than form. Such characters are typically the pieces that make stories function. They're pretty vital. One could argue that Shao Kahn and perhaps even Shang were both such characters. Shao Kahn was always pretty two dimensional in the games, serving as little more than a device to create problems for the heroes to solve and thus make the games possible.

You could go on and name characters like Rain who exists just because Ed wanted a purple ninja, or Reptile because Ed wanted a secret ninja fight, or even Sonya who was apparently created to keep MK1 from being a sausage fest. But yeah, making characters to serve a function often leads to a lot of fun characters. It just depends on the writing.

For some unknown reason, my brain keeps thinking about the Merchant from Resident Evil 4. People love that guy, but he does solely exist to be a resource management menu, and I wouldn't have it any other way. haha

Quicksilver was kind of that way too in X-Men: Days of Future Past, and again, he ended up being one of the best parts of the movie.

As far as Triborg goes, we'll have to wait and see. Ya never know.



Nope. You must be new here. Didn't you know NRS is only capable of taking shortcuts and making decisions that purposely screw over the franchise and its fans? They gave us four playable cyborgs for their benefit, not ours.
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02/02/2016 07:50 AM (UTC)
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Warbro666 Wrote:
DjangoDrag Wrote:
Spaceman Wrote:

He exists solely so NRS didn't have to create three (i guess four with cyber sub) separate character endings and four sets of intro dialogue with the rest of the cast.


I've seen this argument presented as evidence of bad writing/ laziness quite a bit and it really doesn't make much sense. A character that is specifically created to serve a function is not inherently a bad thing at all, and I'd probably prefer a character that is driven by function rather than form. Such characters are typically the pieces that make stories function. They're pretty vital. One could argue that Shao Kahn and perhaps even Shang were both such characters. Shao Kahn was always pretty two dimensional in the games, serving as little more than a device to create problems for the heroes to solve and thus make the games possible.

You could go on and name characters like Rain who exists just because Ed wanted a purple ninja, or Reptile because Ed wanted a secret ninja fight, or even Sonya who was apparently created to keep MK1 from being a sausage fest. But yeah, making characters to serve a function often leads to a lot of fun characters. It just depends on the writing.

For some unknown reason, my brain keeps thinking about the Merchant from Resident Evil 4. People love that guy, but he does solely exist to be a resource management menu, and I wouldn't have it any other way. haha

Quicksilver was kind of that way too in X-Men: Days of Future Past, and again, he ended up being one of the best parts of the movie.

As far as Triborg goes, we'll have to wait and see. Ya never know.



Nope. You must be new here. Didn't you know NRS is only capable of taking shortcuts and making decisions that purposely screw over the franchise and its fans? They gave us four playable cyborgs for their benefit, not ours.


Lolz yeah. Im super new...

I cant really tell if all that was sarcasm or what.
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DjangoDrag
02/02/2016 08:34 AM (UTC)
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Double postage.
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The_TooCool_Master
02/02/2016 02:19 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:

I cant really tell if all that was sarcasm or what.


It was. People have always called NRS lazy ever since the studio existed back in the Midway days. It didn't matter how much work was done. If something was reusing assets, or felt less polished, they would get dragged throught the dirt and called lazy.

It still goes on to this day.

Warbro was referencing this.
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Spaceman
02/03/2016 01:16 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
Spaceman Wrote:

He exists solely so NRS didn't have to create three (i guess four with cyber sub) separate character endings and four sets of intro dialogue with the rest of the cast.


I've seen this argument presented as evidence of bad writing/ laziness quite a bit and it really doesn't make much sense. A character that is specifically created to serve a function is not inherently a bad thing at all, and I'd probably prefer a character that is driven by function rather than form. Such characters are typically the pieces that make stories function. They're pretty vital. One could argue that Shao Kahn and perhaps even Shang were both such characters. Shao Kahn was always pretty two dimensional in the games, serving as little more than a device to create problems for the heroes to solve and thus make the games possible.

You could go on and name characters like Rain who exists just because Ed wanted a purple ninja, or Reptile because Ed wanted a secret ninja fight, or even Sonya who was apparently created to keep MK1 from being a sausage fest. But yeah, making characters to serve a function often leads to a lot of fun characters. It just depends on the writing.


I could not disagree with you more. That said I get what you're saying (I think i do at least). But I think you are massively simplifying some of the characters you listed tho. MK1 NEEDED a strong female character to fill out the cast, MK1 NEEDED a conniving villain like Shang, and because Shang was portrayed as such the series as a whole NEEDED Shao Kahn as the big bad. They served a great storyline based purpose and were well fleshed out in later games. But you are right on the money with Reptile and Rain, they started as kinda cheap, pallet swap extra's and then had their character's more improved upon in later titles. Or you could even argue they suffer from the same stale story lines but are STILL very popular among fans. My personal favorite character Ermac for sure fits this criteria as well and you are totally right in that, for all I know, Tri-Brog could very well be the latest edition to this group.

HOWEVER,and I'm totally talking out of my ass here because your guess is as good as mine, I get the strong feeling Tri-Borg will fall into the likes of Chameleon/Khameleon, and Meat, and even Mokap territory because his purpose is STILL much more shallow than the characters mentioned above. He's not a missing character archetype, he's not a big bad, and he's not some secret mysterious character that needs to be unlocked (in a game that had very limited memory to work with anyway). He's a word on the select screen. A place holder if you will. A cheap simplification to fit the game's most basic mechanics. This is my guess at least, and if you are right and his story kicks ass I will happily eat my words off a silver platter. I have been wrong many times leading up to MKX on this site, but for now this is the impression i have of Tri-borg.

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Nope. You must be new here. Didn't you know NRS is only capable of taking shortcuts and making decisions that purposely screw over the franchise and its fans? They gave us four playable cyborgs for their benefit, not ours.


As for you, who are for sure new here (not that it matters whatsoever), I really, really hope your post isn't directed at my initial post. I made it abundantly clear I am happy to be able to play as all four cyborgs. If however it was directed at me, please wipe Boon's cum off your mouth and at least try to retain what you read. If not, no big deal, continue shitting on people who don't like what you like. That will teach them to unconditionally love everything NRS makes.

And to the above poster (The_TooCool_Master), Midway WAS lazy as fuck. They earned their shit reputation because they rushed out games and therefore had to cut corners constantly. That's why they went under. No need to get butthurt over their shitty quality. MKA was the final nail in that coffin. That said, I can still think of many examples of NRS cutting corners as well (recycled strings, character endings, horrible writing quality). I still like the games, but people like you will always stand in the way of allowing the series to improve.
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