Heavenrealm - Why no character representation?
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Heavenrealm - Why no character representation?
02/20/2014 05:31 PM EST
I've always thought it odd that Heavenrealm had no playable character representation despite being a distinct and powerful realm. It's the classic polar opposite of Netherrealm and a pretty crucial place both in canon and philosophically.

The closest thing to a playable Heavenrealm character that I can recall is actually Scorpion since he becomes "the champion of the Elder Gods" at some point or another. However, why isn't there room for someone else? I always thought it odd.
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02/20/2014 08:07 PM EST
If only there was an archangel-type character to be the "true" champion of the elder gods. Not Shujinko, not Scorpion.

If the Dragon King saga was rewritten, that character would be sent to stop Shujinko from being a part of Onaga's plan, especially trying to warn him of the Dragon King's return.

I hope Shujinko makes a comeback and that angel character can be of good use.
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02/20/2014 09:02 PM EST
I'd rather have them have a brand new character for something like this rather than having an occurring character be representing this realm.
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RE: Heavenrealm - Why no character representation?
02/20/2014 09:57 PM EST
You forgot about Raiden.

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02/20/2014 10:10 PM EST
There is character representation for the realm, such as Monster.
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02/21/2014 05:27 AM EST
Immortal_Kanji Wrote:
If only there was an archangel-type character to be the "true" champion of the elder gods. Not Shujinko, not Scorpion.


See I would actually prefer it not to be a traditional western Christian "Heaven" character so an Archangel wasn't what I had in mind. But you at least are on to something there.

I get why a Heavenrealm character wouldn't make sense for Mk 1 - 3 since that story is structured around the tournaments. Now however, with Shinnok and Quan Chi's post-MK3 plotting, a Heavenrealm character makes more sense.

Icebaby Wrote:
I'd rather have them have a brand new character for something like this rather than having an occurring character be representing this realm.


Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Brand new "Holy Warrior". Any ideas?

Riyakou Wrote:
You forgot about Raiden.


I was thinking along the lines of someone that wasn't a Realm protector or God like Raiden/Shujinko. I mean look at how many characters have bios/origins rooted in the Netherrealm yet there's few from Heavenrealm despite being diametrically opposed to the Netherrealm.
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RE: Heavenrealm - Why no character representation?
02/21/2014 09:03 AM EST
White Ninja representing Heavenrealm, sounds good to me.
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02/21/2014 10:18 AM EST
hankypanky1 Wrote:
White Ninja representing Heavenrealm, sounds good to me.


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02/21/2014 03:00 PM EST
The only problem that I have with an idea for this character is that they might look a bit similar to Ashrah, and I don't want that. I'd rather have a character that we haven't seen.

If they have to look like an angel, then so be it. And if they have to look like an angel, Tyrael could be a close character to represent the kind of angelic character I'd like to see.

Tyrael

Them wings.
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02/21/2014 07:28 PM EST
Icebaby Wrote:
The only problem that I have with an idea for this character is that they might look a bit similar to Ashrah, and I don't want that. I'd rather have a character that we haven't seen.

If they have to look like an angel, then so be it. And if they have to look like an angel, Tyrael could be a close character to represent the kind of angelic character I'd like to see.

Tyrael

Them wings.


That guy has like 6 shoulder blades. Also he looks like a mix of several charcters such as Samurai, KNight
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02/22/2014 10:59 AM EST
Icebaby Wrote:
The only problem that I have with an idea for this character is that they might look a bit similar to Ashrah, and I don't want that. I'd rather have a character that we haven't seen.

If they have to look like an angel, then so be it. And if they have to look like an angel, Tyrael could be a close character to represent the kind of angelic character I'd like to see.

Tyrael

Them wings.


Tyrael and the Diablo 3 Angels are certainly an interesting take but, again, I'd rather see something more in line with the Eastern Mythology theme MK is inspired by.

For example, I had a KaK in mind once-upon-a-time based on a Heavenrealm warrior that drew heavy inspiration from the Guild Wars Paragon (a class/race that draws heavy emphasis on real-world Africa).



More armor types here.
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02/22/2014 02:37 PM EST
The Elder God armor set from Armageddon's create a character was an interesting look, would you say that would be something that could work for a potential angelic character?
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02/22/2014 05:11 PM EST
Seido looks enough like an idea of 'Heaven', and there were plenty of characters there in MKD's konquest.
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02/23/2014 03:24 AM EST
Well the Elder Gods don't live in the Heavenly realm, they live in "The Void" the space outside/between the realms.

The Heavens is apparently specifically for good dead people, and a place for the lesser gods like Raiden and Fujin to hang out.

Unlike how the Netherealm has demon and oni races born there, we don't actually know that angels or any similar race even exists in MK (Except for the "Celestial beings" who created Ashrah's sword, but they might be tricking her), because the gods might be meant to be equivalent to angels, since they're servants of the Elder Gods who interact with and protect mortals for them.

So Heaven does have representation, technically. Especially since Johnny Cage was living there in MK4 and helped Raiden and Fujin defend it from invasion by Shinnok's forces, which is why they resurrected him to help join the fight in the other realms Shinnok attacked like Edenia and Earth too.

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02/23/2014 11:42 PM EST
Icebaby Wrote:
The Elder God armor set from Armageddon's create a character was an interesting look, would you say that would be something that could work for a potential angelic character?

It's been a while since I saw the Elder God armor but I do remember it being distinct. That might seem ridiculous to say since I can't actually remember what it looks like though lol. But yeah, I was thinking "non-Angel" and "don't look like Ashrah" but I really like the White/Gold/Silver scheme, especially with dark skin tones. Hopefully that doesn't sound too HankethPanketh.
PickleMendip Wrote:
Seido looks enough like an idea of 'Heaven', and there were plenty of characters there in MKD's konquest.

True, there are some similarities. However, Heavenrealm is a canon established realm so to me that deserves a unique playable character.
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Well the Elder Gods don't live in the Heavenly realm, they live in "The Void" the space outside/between the realms.

The Heavens is apparently specifically for good dead people, and a place for the lesser gods like Raiden and Fujin to hang out.

Unlike how the Netherealm has demon and oni races born there, we don't actually know that angels or any similar race even exists in MK (Except for the "Celestial beings" who created Ashrah's sword, but they might be tricking her), because the gods might be meant to be equivalent to angels, since they're servants of the Elder Gods who interact with and protect mortals for them.

So Heaven does have representation, technically. Especially since Johnny Cage was living there in MK4 and helped Raiden and Fujin defend it from invasion by Shinnok's forces, which is why they resurrected him to help join the fight in the other realms Shinnok attacked like Edenia and Earth too.



Yeah I was hoping you'd chime in about some of the continuity and that's a good point about Realm God's possibly being synonymous with Angels. I had forgotten about Johnny's involvement as well. Still, I'd like to see a little more development on Heavenrealm especially in lieu of Shinnok's grand schemes and a good vehicle for that might be a new character.
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02/24/2014 09:08 AM EST
Mojo6 Wrote:

It's been a while since I saw the Elder God armor but I do remember it being distinct. That might seem ridiculous to say since I can't actually remember what it looks like though lol. But yeah, I was thinking "non-Angel" and "don't look like Ashrah" but I really like the White/Gold/Silver scheme, especially with dark skin tones. Hopefully that doesn't sound too HankethPanketh.



A White Power Ranger from Heavenrealm? He will be equally as matched as Scorpion and could even be Scorpion's new arch-rival. Netherrealm vs Heavenrealm!



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02/24/2014 01:57 PM EST
White Power Ranger?

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02/24/2014 03:37 PM EST
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White Power Ranger?



Power Rangers get their powers from a cosmic force=The "cosmic force" is a collective term for the joint operation of all natural laws. The cosmic force has two major components--evolution and entropy. All is an effect of the cosmic force. Some call the Cosmic Force "God."
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02/27/2014 06:55 PM EST
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Well the Elder Gods don't live in the Heavenly realm, they live in "The Void" the space outside/between the realms.

The Heavens is apparently specifically for good dead people, and a place for the lesser gods like Raiden and Fujin to hang out.

Unlike how the Netherealm has demon and oni races born there, we don't actually know that angels or any similar race even exists in MK (Except for the "Celestial beings" who created Ashrah's sword, but they might be tricking her), because the gods might be meant to be equivalent to angels, since they're servants of the Elder Gods who interact with and protect mortals for them.

So Heaven does have representation, technically. Especially since Johnny Cage was living there in MK4 and helped Raiden and Fujin defend it from invasion by Shinnok's forces, which is why they resurrected him to help join the fight in the other realms Shinnok attacked like Edenia and Earth too.

Well!...

Well nothing, guys. He's exactly right.


I have a strange theory!
Taven and Daegon, being half-God, depending on how you consider Argus "being as how gods often fluctuate between "God" and "Elder God" status, from what we can tell, could be these Heavenrealm reps.
The only other thing I can think of is that Heavenrealm, being a place where the dead heroes go, is full of warriors from other realms who died in honor, and thus, Heavenrealm can have no "original" characters.
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02/27/2014 07:41 PM EST
The other thing is MK always uses Asian mythology as the basis for its ideas and lore. The only real exception to that I can think of off the top of my head is Nitara being a classical western vampire.

I don't think Chinese or Japanese mythology has angels.
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02/27/2014 07:57 PM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
The other thing is MK always uses Asian mythology as the basis for its ideas and lore. The only real exception to that I can think of off the top of my head is Nitara being a classical western vampire.

I don't think Chinese or Japanese mythology has angels.


Yeah I don't think they do either, that's why I was hoping for an Eastern character.
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03/03/2014 01:49 PM EST
First off, Johnny Cage being resurrected was retconned; he never died in the third game, and so only defended shit along with the Earthrealm heroes because he's a good guy, and that's it. This retcon was implied and added by the time DA and beyond came out.
2nd, the main reason for there being no representation by the Heavens is because the point of Mortal Kombat is to either try to win and capture a realm, or to defend one's realm from capture.
The Heavens is an afterlife reward for those who lived a good life, and is closely watched by the Gods themselves, like Protectors such as Raiden; what kind of person who is allowed to go there also has the same mentality as a conqueror and wants to oppress people? With that in mind, nobody from the Heavens has a reason to participate as an antagonist from that realm.
From the perspective of defending the realm, a spirit one with the closest ties to the most powerful beings in existence, and populated by some of the most courageous and noble heroes throughout millennial history, who has had enough power to even try to exercise that kind of warfare against a realm filled with heroes and other good people who may have already sacrificed their lives defending whatever's good and just?
The answer to both of those questions is Shinnok. Armageddon established that he wasn't always a bad guy, but that he eventually became corrupt, fought for dominance of Earthrealm, didn't get it, was sent to be tortured in Neatherrealm, amassed power because what else was he going to do for all eternity besides being tortured, conquered his jail and the realm with it, and then used his subjects to try and get revenge on his former allies by attacking the realm to take it over, and every living realm, like Edenia.
And he lost to a bunch of mortals, and a handful of Gods.
And that's why there is no representation for the Heavens; they got shit under control. grin
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03/03/2014 08:11 PM EST
Jerrod Wrote: the main reason for there being no representation by the Heavens is because the point of Mortal Kombat is to either try to win and capture a realm, or to defend one's realm from capture.
True but the tournament thing is only played up in MK 1-3 and arguably Armageddon. Mk4, MK Deception, and MK Deadly Alliance are about different invasion "big evil" plots all together and don't follow an overt tournament structure.

The Heavens is an afterlife reward for those who lived a good life, and is closely watched by the Gods themselves, like Protectors such as Raiden; what kind of person who is allowed to go there also has the same mentality as a conqueror and wants to oppress people? With that in mind, nobody from the Heavens has a reason to participate as an antagonist from that realm.

I thought it obvious but I'm suggesting a Heavensrealm warrior being potentially justified in the next game as a hero, aiding the mortals/lightside.

And that's why there is no representation for the Heavens; they got shit under control.


Except not really since Shinnok's Netherrealm uprising is the presumed entire plot of the next game. Why wouldn't the Elder Gods be concerned if literally all hell has a chance to break loose?

I just don't see how, since the Netherrealm aka Hell is fully in focus during the plot of MK4, why it's EXACT opposite realm would not send a warrior to help ensure Shinnok's defeat alongside the realm protector God's.
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03/03/2014 11:51 PM EST
Jerrod Wrote:
First off, Johnny Cage being resurrected was retconned; he never died in the third game


That has never been true and you've been on the boards long enough to know better, sir.

His Deadly Alliance bio only depicts him refusing to make a movie where he dies because he won't admit to doing anything other than "kicking ass". There was never once any concrete canon statement that his MK3 and 4 storyline was rewritten to have not happened, and the fact that Raiden has a vision of Johnny dying at Motaro's hands in MK9 and proceeds to prevent it by killing Motaro is meant to reconfirm that it DID happen the first time around.
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03/04/2014 12:28 AM EST
If only Raiden could have known the shitstorm that saving Johnny Cage would unleash on the world.