Question about gods names
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posted08/24/2012 06:40 PM (UTC)by
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RazorsEdge701
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Okay so, as we know, the gods of Earth, Water, and Fire introduced in MK Mythologies were not named. Fujin wasn't given a name until he became a playable character in MK4 either.

However, much like the two guys in the Pit II being dubbed "Torch and Hornbuckle", fan fiction and speculation has over the years suggested a few names for them: "Ohona" or "Chijin" for the Earth God, "Hinoka" or "Kajin" for the Fire God, and "Kumari", "Suijin", or occasionally even "O'Shin" for the Water God.

Now, my actual reason for making the topic is to ask this question:

Where the hell do "Ohona", "Hinoka", and "Kumari" come from?

I mean, the ones with "jin" on the end are taken from the names of the Japanese gods of those elements, following in the tradition of Raiden and Fujin's names...and O'Shin is obviously a pun of "ocean". But I can't find anything on the net about a real world mythology that those three names would come from, so what the hell is the origin of them? Where did whoever came up with them get the idea?
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swampcrash_unknown
08/18/2012 03:55 AM (UTC)
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Now, my actual reason for making the topic is to ask this question:

Where the hell do "Ohona", "Hinoka", and "Kumari" come from?

I mean, the ones with "jin" on the end are taken from the names of the Japanese gods of those elements, following in the tradition of Raiden and Fujin's names...and O'Shin is obviously a pun of "ocean". But I can't find anything on the net about a real world mythology that those three names would come from, so what the hell is the origin of them? Where did whoever came up with them get the idea?


Hinoka, with my limited Japanese vocab, has a funny meaning. Hi and Ka both mean fire (Kaijin having the "Ka"), and "no" in Japanese usually means of, i.e. Hokuto no Ken= Fist of the North Star. So his name means "Fire of the Fire". As for everyone else, I can't even begin to think. Kuma in Japanese means bear, and bears are associated with the Mountain spirit, where Ri means person at the end of a phrase, hence, "Bear Person" or "Mountain Spirit Person". How that applies to a Water God is beyond me as the name would better suit the Earth God. Alternatively, Ku as it pertains to the five elements of Japanese Mythology, it's literally the Void, where Ma also means Gap. So it basically would mean "Empty Person", which, again, makes little sense to me as it relates to the Water God.
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krsx66
08/18/2012 06:18 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Okay so, as we know, the gods of Earth, Water, and Fire introduced in MK Mythologies were not named. Fujin wasn't given a name until he became a playable character in MK4 either.

However, much like the two guys in the Pit II being dubbed "Torch and Hornbuckle", fan fiction and speculation has over the years suggested a few names for them: "Ohona" or "Chijin" for the Earth God, "Hinoka" or "Kajin" for the Fire God, and "Kumari", "Suijin", or occasionally even "O'Shin" for the Water God.

Now, my actual reason for making the topic is to ask this question:

Where the hell do "Ohona", "Hinoka", and "Kumari" come from?

I mean, the ones with "jin" on the end are taken from the names of the Japanese gods of those elements, following in the tradition of Raiden and Fujin's names...and O'Shin is obviously a pun of "ocean". But I can't find anything on the net about a real world mythology that those three names would come from, so what the hell is the origin of them? Where did whoever came up with them get the idea?


Just looked it up in my jp/eng dictionary ap, and "Hinokami" is defined as "the god of fire in Japanese mythology." The definition also goes on to say he's usually referred to as "Kagutsuchi no Kami"

Looked up Ohona and Kumari, and there's nothing, though completely irrelevantly, kumaari is the word for japanese carpenter ant, which, when you split the words, becomes 'kuma - ari' or 'bear - ant'
Which really has nothing to do with anything.

And I guess you already found out about chijin and suijin, but nevertheless, the dictionary says Chijin-godai are the "five generations of earthly deities" and suijin comes up as "a water god"
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lastfighter89
08/24/2012 06:40 PM (UTC)
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swampcrash_unknown Wrote:
Now, my actual reason for making the topic is to ask this question:

Where the hell do "Ohona", "Hinoka", and "Kumari" come from?

I mean, the ones with "jin" on the end are taken from the names of the Japanese gods of those elements, following in the tradition of Raiden and Fujin's names...and O'Shin is obviously a pun of "ocean". But I can't find anything on the net about a real world mythology that those three names would come from, so what the hell is the origin of them? Where did whoever came up with them get the idea?


Hinoka, with my limited Japanese vocab, has a funny meaning. Hi and Ka both mean fire (Kaijin having the "Ka"), and "no" in Japanese usually means of, i.e. Hokuto no Ken= Fist of the North Star. So his name means "Fire of the Fire". As for everyone else, I can't even begin to think. Kuma in Japanese means bear, and bears are associated with the Mountain spirit, where Ri means person at the end of a phrase, hence, "Bear Person" or "Mountain Spirit Person". How that applies to a Water God is beyond me as the name would better suit the Earth God. Alternatively, Ku as it pertains to the five elements of Japanese Mythology, it's literally the Void, where Ma also means Gap. So it basically would mean "Empty Person", which, again, makes little sense to me as it relates to the Water God.


I do not speak japanese, but i can guarantee you that "no" in Japanese means "from".
So Hokuto no Ken means Ken from Hokuto.

All the name without the "-jin" suffix are just fan made.
Some fan tried to make a name based on Japanese words.
Exactly like Raiden, which means "thunder & lightning".
So "Hi" and "Ka" are to be translitted into "fire & flame" or "Fire from flame"
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