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Shao Kahn, Raiden and Lucifer are of the same race....what?
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posted06/11/2008 12:39 AM (UTC)by
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ErmacMk5
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One of the backwards texts in Mortal Kombat Deception mentions that Shao Kahn, Raiden and Lucifer are of the same race.

Raiden is the God Protectorate of Earth.
Lucifer was the God Protectorate of te Netherealm...
That would mean...Shao Kahn is God Protectorate of Outworld?

I've tried starting discussions on this before, and people summarily dismissed the info because it contradicts their preconcieve notion of Shao Kahn as a mortal sorcerer. The fact is, Deception states him as being more than that...making frequent parallels to Raiden, and in the backwards audio, flat out stating they are of the same race, presumably Gods.

This would be fine and dandy if the game didn't give evidence that Shao Kahn once served as an advisor to Onaga. This information can be interpreted 3 ways:

1) Shao Kahn and Onaga's relationship was a Raiden/ Liu Kang relationship, rather than a Shang Tsung/ Shao Kahn one: In Deception, Onaga (in the guise of Damashi) says that Shao Kahn was once like Earthrealm's Raiden...an Advisor....perhaps Shao Kahn is a God who was manipulated by the one being, or tainted somehow. Kahn would see the power his charge Onaga was amassing...and killed Onaga, setting out to conquer other realms afterwards.

This is supported in the actions of another character in MK; Shinnok lusted after the Earthrealm and tried to take it away from Raiden. Shinnok being an Elder God,desiring to rule over Earthrealm is as silly as Shao Kahn abandoning his position as a God to become a political ruler.


2) Shao Kahn is, like Taven, Daegon and Rain, only a demi-god: This scenario is very likely imo. It would make sense that a demi-god could serve a mortal as mighty as Onaga.

3) Shao Kahn is a fallen God: Basically the same story as Shinnok, but less powerful.

4) Shao Kahn AND Onaga are both Gods, in a Fujin/ Raiden relationship: Ths would make sense if Onaga hadn't been dead for so many years.

Please do not write this off; I'm tired of bringing this up and people just saying "Nah dude, Shao Kahn is just a powerful guy." The game states he's a God. So let's discuss how that can work within MK's story.
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 •05/30/2008 02:52 AM (UTC) •
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I personally go with the first explanation you posted.
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kidkombatant
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 •06/03/2008 01:44 PM (UTC) •
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im going with # 1
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XiahouDun84
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 •06/03/2008 10:33 PM (UTC) •
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I figure Shao Kahn is a demi-god. He's certainly god-like in power, but I don't think he's a full god.
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 •06/04/2008 01:44 PM (UTC) •
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Raiden is an Elder God (became one at the end of MK4) who takes mortal form to participate in mortal battles;
Shao Kahn is most probably an Outworlder, who developed and grew his powers to an almost infinite extent, and became all mighty Emperor of Outworld and Conqueror of Realms;
and Lucifer is just some greatly powerfull Oni, who was defeated and probably destroyed by Shinnok, in the war for control of the Netherrealm.
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 •06/06/2008 12:50 AM (UTC) •
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Shao Kahn is most likely a super natural immortal being kind of like a God or Demi-god. I mean he is woshipped by a cult of limitless Shadowe Priests and has the power to suck the souls of an entire realm citizens as well as the power to merge realms into one huge universe into his dark chaotic pleasure.
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 •06/06/2008 01:24 AM (UTC) •
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ErmacMk5 Wrote:

One of the backwards texts in Mortal Kombat Deception mentions that Shao Kahn, Raiden and Lucifer are of the same race.


Prove it.
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ErmacMk5
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 •06/06/2008 08:00 PM (UTC) •
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
ErmacMk5 Wrote:

One of the backwards texts in Mortal Kombat Deception mentions that Shao Kahn, Raiden and Lucifer are of the same race.


Prove it.


It's in the iGuide...I don't have it anymore...but it's quite common knowledge at this point I thought. I'm sure if you really wanted to you could find the audio online.

I think it's likely that Shao Kahn, like Taven, Daegon, and Rain, is a half-God, thus why he doesn't have the complete abilities that Raiden or Argus have.
Theory #3: Maybe Kahn's father was the original God Protector of Outworld, and like when Daegon tried to slay Argus, perhaps Kahn slew his father, but was denied the position of God Protectorate by the Elder Gods...Causing Shao Kahn to seek other ways to achieve full godhood.
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 •06/08/2008 03:58 AM (UTC) •
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i do think it was in Outword. that if you speak to one of the natives. they will say that Shao Kahn was once like Earthrealm's Raiden.
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ErmacMk5
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 •06/08/2008 04:21 AM (UTC) •
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DeathScepter Wrote:
i do think it was in Outword. that if you speak to one of the natives. they will say that Shao Kahn was once like Earthrealm's Raiden.


It was actually spoken a few times.

Once in Earthrealm by a woman who said that Outworld is ruled by a tyrant who was once "exactly like Raiden."

What I'm talking about is backward speech; the stuff the oni's say. The clips were taken fixed and there are messages there...among them was one that says

"Shao Kahn, Raiden, and Lucifer are of the same race of beings."

If the game says "Shao Kahn, Raiden, and Lucifer are of the same race of beings." It means they're all Gods, since Raiden (and pressumably Lucifer) are among MK's pantheon of Gods.
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kidkombatant
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 •06/09/2008 05:30 PM (UTC) •
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um...werent shao kahn and raiden brothers, or was that only in the movies, because Midway might have put the message in there as a joke from the movie...
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 •06/09/2008 08:27 PM (UTC) •
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that is only in the movies that they are brothers.


Comics, movies, TV and games each have their own different canon.


Rarely do they cross canon. As for Rayden/Shao Kahn brothers, the games don't touch on that. So it is safe to say that it is most likely that it is NOT canon until a later game says otherwise.
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ErmacMk5
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 •06/09/2008 09:10 PM (UTC) •
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DeathScepter Wrote:
that is only in the movies that they are brothers.


Comics, movies, TV and games each have their own different canon.


Rarely do they cross canon. As for Rayden/Shao Kahn brothers, the games don't touch on that. So it is safe to say that it is most likely that it is NOT canon until a later game says otherwise.


Actually...Midway is often influenced by non-canon sources...there TONS of examples:

- Kitana was never refered to as Shao Kahn's step-daughter until the MK movies.
- Kano was originally a man of unknown origin who was orphaned by an american woman in japan at age 5. After the movies portrayal of Kano as Australian, Kano became officially Australian in the games.
- It wasn't explicitly stated that Sindel commited suicide until after the movies.
- The Kitana/ Liu Kang romance was created in the movies, and spilled over into the games. The oft-implied Johnny Cage/ Sonya Blade romance was also originally part of the MK movies.
- Raiden had black hair in MK canon originally; after the movie he had white hair.
- Sonya's appearance in MK4 was influenced by Bridgette Wilson, and Kitana's by Talisa Soto.

So saying that they rarely touch is false; I'm honestly surprised they haven't rolled with the idea of Kahn and Raiden being brothers, since they've taken almost everything else non-canon media like the movies had to offer and stuck them in the games.
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kidkombatant
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 •06/10/2008 08:33 PM (UTC) •
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if they went with the non canon, then shinnok would be the same race because the movie states the Shinnok is the father of Raiden and Shao Kahn
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 •06/10/2008 08:35 PM (UTC) •
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Raiden is deity then a thunder god then turned into the protector of earthrealm and later into an eldeg god,then back to being a simple thunder god.
As for Kahn I like to think that he was an outworlder perhaps a human like Bo rai cho who dug his way to the very top-as it was said he moves to his goal and nothing can stop him-So he became a great warrior/sorcerer and later an emperor then immortal then equal to any deity.

I like this scenario.
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 •06/11/2008 12:39 AM (UTC) •
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I disagree with your #4 Fujin/Raiden isn't equivalent to Shao Kahn and Onaga.

Kahn overthrew Onaga years ago, but Onaga was the original ruler of OW before Kahn took it from him.

Fujin and Raiden are very close, until recently and that's only because of Raiden being corrupted. But other then that, they've always got along and stand for the same thing. Shao Kahn and Onaga, are both evil and hate each other.
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