Theory: MK1 Reptile Is Actually Chameleon Rev 2.0
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posted10/01/2010 05:47 PM (UTC)by
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Jerrod Wrote:
Okay, this has gone on for long enough. Your logic is flawed. Jade used to have Kitana's moves, but no longer has them; I guess she was actually Khameleon in MK2! Noob Saibot and Smoke also had Scorpion's moves at that time! I guess they must be Chameleon too!

Oh wait, Classic Smoke, despite his ending being non-canon and admittedly a memory of Smoke, was in MKT! That must've been Chameleon! Oh wait, Classic Sub-Zero was a face that nobody recognized in his MKT ending! Guess it was Chameleon over there!

In MK1, after revision 3, when the green ninja wins the secret match at the bottom of The Pit, what does it say?


REPTILE WINS!!


And what does it say if you beat him?

YOU HAVE DEFEATED REPTILE! 1 000 000 POINTS!


It's as clear as day. It's not Chameleon, and it won't ever be Chameleon.


Problem is, Jerrod.
the only thing making Reptile Reptile in MK1 is they call him that in the scoreboards.

Originally, Ghost Rider made a deal with Satan to get his powers, but was later retconned into being Mephisto...it was simply a name-change...and it made sense.

Your Jade, Noob, and Smoke comments don't make any sense.
I guess you weren't paying attention.

The thing is, they only have ONE person's powers. that doesn't make them K/Chameleon.

If Reptile only had Scorpion's Spear I wouldn't be making this topic.

the fact remains he was using the powers of BOTH ninjas that were available at the time...not just ONE of them.

I just wanted to clear that up.
Mostly because you closed my topic with a wrong post that needed to be cleared up.

I'll be writing up different bios for a re-booted version of MK1
and posting them in the Fan Discussion.

Peace. wink
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Icebaby
09/28/2010 03:54 PM (UTC)
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You do know that this is obviously going to get closed right?

To be honest, you're not letting it go, people told you the answer to your damn question and you're not accepting that every point that you made makes no sense, that you're wrong, and people who proved you to be wrong is right.

Reptile in MK1 was never Chameleon just because he had a combination of Scorpion and Sub-Zero's moves. Not to mention, if it was Chameleon in that game, wouldn't he be partially invisible as he has been in every game that he's in? Chameleon would be partially invisible with his appearance. The character that was in MK1 wasn't invisible, therefore, you can't expect him to be Chameleon. Chameleon was never in MK1, it's Reptile.

Jerrod's comparison with Jade, Smoke and Noob makes perfect sense becuase they all must be Chameleons/Khameleons as well becuase they had other character moves. How doesn't it not make sense that Jade could have been Khameleon in MK2? I mean she DID have Kitana's moves! That makes perfect sense! Jade was Khameleon in MK2!!!!

Yeah, your thoughts on Reptile being Chameleon in MK1 makes no sense and this is just going to end up in a vicious flame war until some mod closes.

*Sitting back with arms behind the back smiling, waiting with anticipation*
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09/28/2010 04:13 PM (UTC)
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Yet again you don't understand
they only have ONE person's moveset...I can't stress that enough
So no, that didn't make sense....at all.

see..when you have a person who has multiple movesets from multiple characters THEN you can talk about whether or not it is Chameleon.
Jade only had Kitana's moves, not Mileena's also...you may not remember but what makes Khameleon Khameleon is that she can use more than one person's moves.
Also could the technology at the time even have MK1 Reptile
be transparent?
Also that is a pisspoor excuse and you should feel bad.

Yes I know that in MK1 he is CALLED Reptile.
I'm just saying if they retconned it to be Chameleon it would make sense.
I cited Ghost Rider as an example of a name change.

I'm not letting this go because noone has ever had a good answer or excuse, because y'all got NOTHING.

perhaps you should read posts before responding to them.

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Icebaby
09/28/2010 04:25 PM (UTC)
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Oooh so they have one move set, big fucking deal. You were proven that you're wrong with the speculation that Reptile is Chameleon.

I don't know what I'm talking about? At least I don't go around throwing out the idea that a certain character could be another character despite the fact that the moves have changed within one game...

Please, this thread is a joke as well as the last one. Get over it, people proved your theory wrong.
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09/28/2010 04:49 PM (UTC)
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My point is you don't pay attention to where I'm drawing the similarities
you assume I mean that because someone copies another person's moveset
that I think they are Chameleon.

It's not as much as a theory anymore

I'd like to remind it's a video game about magic ninjas and wizards and shit.

Stop taking it so seriously.

It was just an idea I wanted to work on for the new timeline.

Chill.

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Icebaby
09/28/2010 05:03 PM (UTC)
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Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:
My point is you don't pay attention to where I'm drawing the similarities
you assume I mean that because someone copies another person's moveset
that I think they are Chameleon.

It's not as much as a theory anymore

I'd like to remind it's a video game about magic ninjas and wizards and shit.

Stop taking it so seriously.

It was just an idea I wanted to work on for the new timeline.

Chill.



I'm taking it seriously? You got it all wrong, mate... Last time I checked you demanded an answer from Razor because he wasn't giving you one and you went all crazy about it, and you remade the same thread about the issue... That seems to be taking things a tad bit seriously don't you think?

You made a thread on a discussion board about a video game, you either want a discussion in general or just shove it in people's faces that you're the kind of person who doesn't want to be proven wrong no matter how many times someone turns your idea down...

You stop taking things seriously then.
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09/28/2010 05:18 PM (UTC)
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Noone has a good answer for it
and so they mocked my idea
and don't really get it.

so I've been having fun with that.

I know this topic will get closed also
but I don't care.
This has been fun.
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RazorsEdge701
09/28/2010 11:54 PM (UTC)
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I gave you completely valid and all-encompassing answers to your stupid questions like five times. If you choose to ignore the answers and pretend they don't work for you just to further your "I love Chameleon so much for no good reason that I must prove he is a worthwhile character and fit him into everything" agenda, that's nobody's fault but your own.
You're just a troll at this point, and clearly closing the topic isn't punishment enough if you're just gonna open another one. I hope one of the mods bans you because this is far from the first time you've been obnoxious and disruptive.
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09/29/2010 01:06 AM (UTC)
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I'm not going make another one of these topics.

Jerrod closed my last one with a post that I had respond to.

I'm not trolling at this point, nor was I ever, no
you're being douchebags
but that's what your niche is, Razor.

It's not even about Chameleon
it's about you being a pompous, arrogant dick.

So give me all the Skull Points you want.

Doesn't change a thing.

Get off your high horse and talk to me like a person for once.

I've see that a lot on MKO.
the Arrogance. people clamouring to be the be-all end-all of MKO

It's one thing to be able to cite things from MK, because you're knowledgeable, that's great.

but you're such a dick about it.

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RazorsEdge701
09/29/2010 01:43 AM (UTC)
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You ever consider the fact that maybe you've earned my attitude towards you?

I am talking to you like a real person. A real person who I've never seen make a respectable post. Your jokes aren't funny, I don't think I've ever agreed with any of your opinions, and how many times in the last thread did you need to be told your questions were already adequately answered and you were beating a dead horse?
You did NOT have to make a new thread to respond to Jerrod's post, because your response contained nothing of value! If any of the points you've been making were any good, how come so many people keep shooting them down, huh? Use your head. And you could have just PMed him besides, if you thought what you had to say was so important. If you had an argument good enough to convince him, you could ask him to reopen the old topic instead of cluttering the board with a second. But that never even occurred to you, did it?

This whole thing is you being just plain dense and I think you already know it.
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09/30/2010 12:25 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
You ever consider the fact that maybe you've earned my attitude towards you?

I am talking to you like a real person. A real person who I've never seen make a respectable post. Your jokes aren't funny, I don't think I've ever agreed with any of your opinions, and how many times in the last thread did you need to be told your questions were already adequately answered and you were beating a dead horse?

You did NOT have to make a new thread to respond to Jerrod's post, because your response contained nothing of value! If any of the points you've been making were any good, how come so many people keep shooting them down, huh? Use your head. And you could have just PMed him besides, if you thought what you had to say was so important. If you had an argument good enough to convince him, you could ask him to reopen the old topic instead of cluttering the board with a second. But that never even occurred to you, did it?

This whole thing is you being just plain dense and I think you already know it.


"I disagree with you, therefore you are stupid and dense and a terrible person"

and to think I was going to PM you and apologise.
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09/30/2010 12:54 AM (UTC)
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You can't disagree with something that doesn't make sense. It's like telling us gravity isn't real.

This whole topic is basically you saying that Gravity doesn't exist, and trying to get everyone else to agree with you.

Unfortunatly for you, gravity does exist, no matter how many times you say otherwise, understand?

It's not that people disagree, it's that you're wrong. You've been told you were wrong by several posters, The first topic was closed by a mod who told you that you're wrong. Then you post another topic "GRAVITY DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!! part 2" and expect a different result from the first topic.

Just because you have a theory doesn't mean it's valid in anyway, it's just a theory. Hell the theory of Evolution can't be proven 100% that's what a theory is. And if you can't accept that fact then you should probably just keep your theories to yourself because there are always going to be people who disagree.
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09/30/2010 01:29 AM (UTC)
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Thibideau Wrote:
You can't disagree with something that doesn't make sense. It's like telling us gravity isn't real.

This whole topic is basically you saying that Gravity doesn't exist, and trying to get everyone else to agree with you.

Unfortunatly for you, gravity does exist, no matter how many times you say otherwise, understand?

It's not that people disagree, it's that you're wrong. You've been told you were wrong by several posters, The first topic was closed by a mod who told you that you're wrong. Then you post another topic "GRAVITY DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!! part 2" and expect a different result from the first topic.

Just because you have a theory doesn't mean it's valid in anyway, it's just a theory. Hell the theory of Evolution can't be proven 100% that's what a theory is. And if you can't accept that fact then you should probably just keep your theories to yourself because there are always going to be people who disagree.


It was fan submission made in the wrong forum

I know MK1 Reptile isn't Chameleon. Also, Gravity isn't real it's the White Man keeping us down.
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10/01/2010 03:45 PM (UTC)
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Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:
Thibideau Wrote:
You can't disagree with something that doesn't make sense. It's like telling us gravity isn't real.

This whole topic is basically you saying that Gravity doesn't exist, and trying to get everyone else to agree with you.

Unfortunatly for you, gravity does exist, no matter how many times you say otherwise, understand?

It's not that people disagree, it's that you're wrong. You've been told you were wrong by several posters, The first topic was closed by a mod who told you that you're wrong. Then you post another topic "GRAVITY DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!! part 2" and expect a different result from the first topic.

Just because you have a theory doesn't mean it's valid in anyway, it's just a theory. Hell the theory of Evolution can't be proven 100% that's what a theory is. And if you can't accept that fact then you should probably just keep your theories to yourself because there are always going to be people who disagree.


It was fan submission made in the wrong forum

I know MK1 Reptile isn't Chameleon.

Also, Gravity isn't real
it's the White Man keeping us down.


Really? You know that Reptile isn't Chameleon despite you made an very convincing story on how he is? Because your last thread made it seem like you were trying to convince everyone that Reptile was Chameleon in MK1, now you're saying it's just a fan submission?

I guess when you're getting tired of someone mocking you over wrong ideas and odd theories of characters being other characters, you'll change the story of the whole thing.

I'm not picking on you, I'm just laughing at the fact that how you made such a big deal about this theory and now giving up on it.
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10/01/2010 04:37 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Chilly-McFreeze Wrote:
Thibideau Wrote:
You can't disagree with something that doesn't make sense. It's like telling us gravity isn't real.

This whole topic is basically you saying that Gravity doesn't exist, and trying to get everyone else to agree with you.

Unfortunatly for you, gravity does exist, no matter how many times you say otherwise, understand?

It's not that people disagree, it's that you're wrong. You've been told you were wrong by several posters, The first topic was closed by a mod who told you that you're wrong. Then you post another topic "GRAVITY DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!! part 2" and expect a different result from the first topic.

Just because you have a theory doesn't mean it's valid in anyway, it's just a theory. Hell the theory of Evolution can't be proven 100% that's what a theory is. And if you can't accept that fact then you should probably just keep your theories to yourself because there are always going to be people who disagree.


It was fan submission made in the wrong forum

I know MK1 Reptile isn't Chameleon.

Also, Gravity isn't real
it's the White Man keeping us down.


Really? You know that Reptile isn't Chameleon despite you made an very convincing story on how he is? Because your last thread made it seem like you were trying to convince everyone that Reptile was Chameleon in MK1, now you're saying it's just a fan submission?

I guess when you're getting tired of someone mocking you over wrong ideas and odd theories of characters being other characters, you'll change the story of the whole thing.

I'm not picking on you, I'm just laughing at the fact that how you made such a big deal about this theory and now giving up on it.


Because it's fun.
Hey Liu Kang and Kung Lao are actually brothers.
It's incredibly fun to see the absolute RAGE when someone challenges your little world.
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10/01/2010 05:47 PM (UTC)
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This is trolling. You could have easily sent me that message in private instead of making a new thread, but you're doing it deliberately to cause trouble and to bug everyone.
At this point, everyone is telling you your theory is completely wrong, but you're still going on with it and basically blocking your ears to reason. Now you're just trying to save face about your theory being wrong and claiming it was a fan submission? No, that's not what you were trying to do.
You believe in your theory so strongly, that you take offense if nobody agrees with you, because you believe they're hating on you, not your idea, you. You're taking it so personally it's ridiculous, and now you're going to try and hammer it into everyone again.
The difference with the Ghost Rider/Reptile thing is easy to see; Mephisto already existed in the Marvel universe time line before Ghost Rider, and when Ghost Rider came around, they had the deal done with Satan, which they retconned to make it Mephisto; however, Wikipedia says that eventually it was retconned once again, and Johnny Blaze made his deal with Satan, not Mephisto, so this is a poor example for you to use to justify Chameleon being Reptile in MK1.
Considering the mysterious green ninja known as Reptile was developed more in the next game and given exclusive abilities, one can say that his abilities in MK1 were retconned, with the Slide move still paying some reference to his original concept. This has also been seen in MK Shaolin Monks, a poor reference for canon, but it clearly shows Reptile in action against the heroes, using his abilities from MK2 and on, not his freeze, nor his spear and teleport moves. This is no different from his appearance in the older games being more human-like now being retconned thanks to technological advancements and having him appear more like his Raptor heritage.
The point is, Reptile as a character has continued to evolve, but his presence and role in the previous games remains the same.
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