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01/09/2011 12:14 AM (UTC)
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LucaTurilli Wrote:There is no misunderstanding. You are assuming just because Mileena doesn't whine about Kitana during fights that that aspect of her character will be erased. You have nothing to base your assumptions on. We haven't even seen a fragment of the story, and yet you call her one dimensional.


Not only are you making a false accusation, you are trying to put words into my mouth. Again, I did not call her 1-dimensional. I said that I would not be surprised if she was portrayed as a 1-dimensional stereotype in the cutscenes. That sounds like a misunderstanding on your part, but you can go ahead and be in denial all you want.

LucaTurilli Wrote:The only difference from MK Deception to now is that she actually ISN'T one dimensional. In MK:D characters showed no personality in fights, now they do, and you start accusing them of being one dimensional. All they are doing is ADDING personality to characters, nothing will be taken away.


Wait a minute...So you're basically saying that Mileena is 1-dimensional in MK: Deception since the characters didn't show any personality when they fought? That doesn't make any sense.

As for accusing the characters in this new game of being 1-dimensional, that's a false and ridiculous accusation.

LucaTurilli Wrote:By the way, Mileena couldn't have been any more one-dimensional in MK:Deception, all we got from her was "I wanna be Kitana". Now she's got that and the lovely dementia to compliment it.


No, but thanks for your analysis anyway.

LucaTurilli Wrote:Oh, and congratulations on finding that typo. Because of my nigh-immaculate genetic structure, it is as rare as Halley's Comet to find any sort of error on my behalf. You should be proud.


Hah!

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That finishing pose, dont ask me why, makes me think of crash bandicoot. soemthing about the jumpy animation.

hmm. I think im losing it.


Actually, I think you're spot on. The only thing her victory pose needs is for her to cross her eyes and say "WHOA!".

hjs-Q Wrote:So true.

In MK2 and MKD Mileena was a brutal, though evil bitch but she wasn't "insane" as they try to make her in this version.


It's not her insanity that I have a problem with. My problem with Mileena in this game is how they go about the execution of portraying her. They go for that over-the-top, Soul Calibur-ish nonsense that is unnecessary for this series. Mileena's had that fatality in MK: Deception where she bites the victim's head off. They had the factors of making her insane and having that sexual element. I felt there was a creepiness factor that was effectively done.

However, in this new game, she's bouncing around and has this child-like mentality. I feel that with the execution of her personality in this new game, she just comes off as silly and not in an amusing way. It's not that this will necessarily be the only thing to her, but I'm afraid that they'll try to focus too much on those aspects.
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LucaTurilli
01/09/2011 12:28 AM (UTC)
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Talk about misunderstanding.

Please. Put some reasoning behind your posts other than "no u".

Seriously, you have nothing to base any of your accusations off of. You've seen no cut scenes. All you've seen of Mileena is her showing her personality off in fights.

And Mileena was one-dimensional in deception because all she did was all she's been doing for the entire damn series, stalking Kitana.

Please, tell me, what's your problem with Mileena. If your "I wouldn't be surprised..." nonsense, isn't accusing her of being one-dimensional, then what causes you to feel that way? That's she's dressed in a more revealing outfit? Ever seen her alt from Deception? Or is that she just actually emote during fights?

And what in the world makes you think she was at her peak in deception? The outfit? Yea, that's probably it. You haven't offered any explanation. You just sit there and say "no." So, when you can offer some intelligent insight as to your currently baseless opinion, I'll bother to respond to you. Else, I won't bother to waste my time.

Perhaps I should make this easier.
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After watching the video, I have to say that so far, Mileena is definitely the worst female in terms of overall presentation.

Why?
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Sub-Zero_7th
01/09/2011 01:24 AM (UTC)
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I'm not going to bother with you on this topic anymore, because you just don't fucking get it!
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LucaTurilli
01/09/2011 01:27 AM (UTC)
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Would that there was something to get.
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01/09/2011 03:15 AM (UTC)
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LucaTurilli Wrote:

Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
After watching the video, I have to say that so far, Mileena is definitely the worst female in terms of overall presentation.

Why?


I'm going to interject here if I may. While I don't think that Mileena is the worst (mostly because we haven't seen much personality from the others yet) I do have a problem with her being characterized as little more than a psychopath.

I think what we've seen of Mileena so far is great...but only half of what I think she could be. I think Mileena could do much better if her sympathetic characteristics got more focus. She doesn't want to replace Kitana because she's bloodthirsty or just because of petty jealousy. She wants to replace Kitana because she feels severely cheated and she wants a real life, not just to live as the imperfect clone.

That's a big difference and I hope they give us some of that in the story mode. That she could be both savage and sympathetic. Maybe even going so far as to feel positive emotions and not just savagery. The nature of her creation and her appearance would make her mentally and emotionally fragile, easily swinging between human female and beastly monster.

But NRS seems to be more interested in pushing her as just a monster with a nice figure. But she's the best candidate for inner turmoil if I ever saw it. Maybe even...gasp...capable of being decent in between her bouts of insanity. I can imagine Mileena as a character the audience wants to see reformed, always hinting at the possibility, but unfortunately is always beaten by her psychosis. I see her very much like Harvey Two-Face.
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01/09/2011 03:19 AM (UTC)
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She looks great as a deceptive seducive psychopath why she uses her body to decieve.plus it fits how she is imo
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01/09/2011 03:52 AM (UTC)
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I definitely agree on the opinion that certain characters could use some more character depth. I don't understand why NRS wants to just give a character a personality, yet not play up important parts of that personality in order to get the most outof certain characters.
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01/10/2011 12:20 AM (UTC)
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This may have already been brought up, by why are people comparing Mileena's MKD persona with MK9's? This is a re-telling of MK1-3, she is young and just getting used to...well life itself I guess.

By MKD she has matured and grown in to herself...let MK9 show off her insane roots and a 'child', cause technically she still is a child.

On to other Mileena things..

The only thing left is 1 more picture and then we'll see her bio and combo video.

I think I'm looking forward towards the combo video the most.

Y'know I hope they insert new characters like Jade,Sonya,Sindel and Ermac in Mileena's combo video I mean it's not like requesting gameplay of the character where Sonya's moves might not even be finished. All they have to do is stand there look pretty and get their asses kicked.
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01/10/2011 06:58 PM (UTC)
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mortalsebastian Wrote:
This is a re-telling of MK1-3, she is young and just getting used to...well life itself I guess.

What? No way Mileena is that young.
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01/10/2011 10:56 PM (UTC)
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As for the video, nice to see Mileena's yellow eyes when she jumps in front of the camera. Her eyes are terrible. I'm not a fan of the yellow eye mutant look applied onto her that way. She was prettier and more really in Deception. I wish they would make her face without the fangs like a real woman.

Her intro is funny though. She says "Let's dance!"

I would take her to a motel or see a movie. Ha.
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01/10/2011 11:35 PM (UTC)
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Mileena's giggle reminds me a lot of Tira from Soul Calibur.
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01/11/2011 04:32 AM (UTC)
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hotKira Wrote:
As for the video, nice to see Mileena's yellow eyes when she jumps in front of the camera. Her eyes are terrible. I'm not a fan of the yellow eye mutant look applied onto her that way. She was prettier and more really in Deception. I wish they would make her face without the fangs like a real woman.


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While we're there we might as well make her wear blue and use fans as a weapon.

She's supposed to have these features. They are part of what make her unique. For years people have cryed about the ninja's being palette swaps and not being unique in appearance. Now they're making them look different and people don't like it. I just don't get it.

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01/11/2011 04:08 PM (UTC)
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-NIGHTWOLF- Wrote:
hotKira Wrote:
As for the video, nice to see Mileena's yellow eyes when she jumps in front of the camera. Her eyes are terrible. I'm not a fan of the yellow eye mutant look applied onto her that way. She was prettier and more really in Deception. I wish they would make her face without the fangs like a real woman.


confused
While we're there we might as well make her wear blue and use fans as a weapon.

She's supposed to have these features. They are part of what make her unique. For years people have cryed about the ninja's being palette swaps and not being unique in appearance. Now they're making them look different and people don't like it. I just don't get it.



I agree with you, NIGHTWOLF-, but, our point is that the yellow eyes are really an unnecessary bad distraction.

I understand we can "pretend" that she has "normal eyes" whenever she feels like it, but, until they actually show that in a video or in the story or whatever, we won't be convinced.

This really wasn't necessary and it doesn't add anything "unique" or "special" to Mileena. She looks like another monster. That's it. The "yellow eyes" actually take so much away from her. It's not a positive thing, imo.

Beyond the whole "psycho crazy Mutant" thing, there is a "human" in that heart and brain of hers. Mileena should look more like Kitana's "twin" and less like Baraka's cousin. That's the magic of Mileena. Those eyes take away the "human element" that helps to make her lovable and such a dramatic character.

It's kind of disappointing that Jade looks more like Kitana's sister than Mileena. There should definitely be differences (just look at how wonderful MKD accomplished this), but, it's logical and smart to keep the essential things the same (the eyes, and some would even argue the hair).
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01/11/2011 05:48 PM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:

I agree with you, NIGHTWOLF-, but, our point is that the yellow eyes are really an unnecessary bad distraction.

I understand we can "pretend" that she has "normal eyes" whenever she feels like it, but, until they actually show that in a video or in the story or whatever, we won't be convinced.

This really wasn't necessary and it doesn't add anything "unique" or "special" to Mileena. She looks like another monster. That's it. The "yellow eyes" actually take so much away from her. It's not a positive thing, imo.

Beyond the whole "psycho crazy Mutant" thing, there is a "human" in that heart and brain of hers. Mileena should look more like Kitana's "twin" and less like Baraka's cousin. That's the magic of Mileena. Those eyes take away the "human element" that helps to make her lovable and such a dramatic character.

It's kind of disappointing that Jade looks more like Kitana's sister than Mileena. There should definitely be differences (just look at how wonderful MKD accomplished this), but, it's logical and smart to keep the essential things the same (the eyes, and some would even argue the hair).

Wow.

We have finally reached an era where every character can look as unique as possible,but people still demand fucking palette swaps. You guys astound me.

Look. In spite of what she was originally created to be,Mileena tries her very best to separate herself from her "sister" as much as she can because she fucking hates her guts. Maybe it also made sense for her to look like Kitana's exact replica thousands of years ago when she was created and first introduced to her original in order to fool her into thinking she's her long-lost twin,but not anymore. But at this point in the storyline,it makes sense for her to look different.

And "take away the human element"? Now,when she's finally got her own unique,psychotically bubbly personality and cute laugh and her adorable little intro dancing pirouette and everything,that's when you think she's less human and sympathetic? Just because of yellow eyes? For fuck's sake,man.

Hell,you could actually argue that for someone whose genome is half-Tarkatan,she never looked nearly enough Tarkatan. I know this is pure conjecture,but I say that her eyes aren't always yellow and cat-like,and only become like that when she's overcome by a surge of bloodlust and unleashes her brutal Tarkatan nature. Like,maybe when she's about to fight and kill someone? And for all we know,when she's done killing the fuck out of her victim and gets her true nature under control,they change back to normal. What was the problem here again?

So this is my explanation and I'm sticking to it.

And her hair is fucking gorgeous. I love girls who can rock short hair like she can.
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01/11/2011 05:57 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
Maybe it also made sense for her to look like Kitana's exact replica thousands of years ago when she was created


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thousands of years ago


Shang Tsung's not that old.

And Mileena's a relatively recent creation if her new "childlike" personality is any indication.

MK2 never did say how long ago it was that Kitana was cloned, just that the reason for her creation was Kahn was suspicious Kitana might turn on him...and since Kitana only learned the truth and would be acting suspiciously fairly recently...it's not like it'd be a retcon to make Mileena much younger than we expected.
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01/11/2011 06:08 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:I know this is pure conjecture,but I say that her eyes aren't always yellow and cat-like,and only become like that when she's overcome by a surge of bloodlust and unleashes her brutal Tarkatan nature. Like,maybe when she's about to fight and kill someone? And for all we know,when she's done killing the fuck out of her victim and gets her true nature under control,they change back to normal. What was the problem here again?

So this is my explanation and I'm sticking to it.


First of all: how is it that asking for "human looking eyes" the same as asking for pallet-swaps???? Just because Jade has human eyes doesn't mean she looks like a Kitana pallet-swap, does it? You are exaggerating.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of the "A Wizard did it!" or "It's magic so everything is possible!" excuses, but, it's OK if you like it.

I guess I can believe that explanation to her eyes, but, it'd be cooler if they actually showed that happening in the cut-scenes or something (crosses fingers) instead of it just being our assumptions, or in at least 1 of her renders (all of them which feature her unnecessary yellow eyes, ugh).

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And her hair is fucking gorgeous. I love girls who can rock short hair like she can.


I agree.
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01/11/2011 07:11 PM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:

First of all: how is it that asking for "human looking eyes" the same as asking for pallet-swaps???? Just because Jade has human eyes doesn't mean she looks like a Kitana pallet-swap, does it? You are exaggerating.

Even in this thread there are people complaining that she's not wearing the same outfit as Kitana or that her haircut is different. BUT SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CLONE LOL

So no,unfortunately,I'm not exaggerating. I wish I was,though.
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It'd be cooler if they actually showed that happening in the cut-scenes or something (crosses fingers) instead of it just being our assumptions.

Which I'm hoping they will. It's a valid theory,and I want to be proven right on this.
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01/11/2011 07:56 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
We have finally reached an era where every character can look as unique as possible,but people still demand fucking palette swaps. You guys astound me.


Come on, now. Palette swaps are one of our proudest traditions.
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01/11/2011 08:05 PM (UTC)
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Cant wait for the combo video or vignette. Shes looking cooler and cooler.
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01/14/2011 07:15 AM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
queve Wrote:

First of all: how is it that asking for "human looking eyes" the same as asking for pallet-swaps???? Just because Jade has human eyes doesn't mean she looks like a Kitana pallet-swap, does it? You are exaggerating.

Even in this thread there are people complaining that she's not wearing the same outfit as Kitana or that her haircut is different. BUT SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CLONE LOL.


I understand, but, I'm not one of those people.

That's why your comment of me "asking for pallet-swaps" just because I want her to look more truthful to her past incarnations is unfair and exaggerated.

Giving her regular human eyes/Kitana's eyes adds so much more than the random yellow eyes (which, imo, take away part of her main essence...ironically).
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