Reiko = Shao Kahn?
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posted03/30/2005 05:19 PM (UTC)by
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02/26/2005 06:28 AM (UTC)
I realize this topic would already have been covered, but I wasn't around so I'm reviving it. Is Reiko Shao Kahn? I just visited:
http://tabmok99.mortalkombatonline.com/kombat_pavilion.html
in the Reiko/Kahn section, and it has an image from the GameBoy version detailing how Reiko could be Shao Kahn. But get this: It says "He can continue the attack on Earth as he did when leading the assault in the last Mortal Kombat." This is referring to him leading his armies as the General of Outworld into the war against the Heavens, not ruling Outworld itself. I am confused by the "Once again as ruler supreme" part though. I figure Reiko took charge of Outworld when Shao Kahn was defeated temporarily, and he is returning to it because Shao Kahn was possibly still defeated during MK4. It is highly flip-floppy, but I really think it refers to Reiko being the general, not Kahn. I think Reiko is actually his son.
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03/19/2005 08:09 PM (UTC)
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good that you dont believe that Reiko is Shao Kahn.



Reiko did served for Shinnok and Shao Kahn. MK is know for plotholes
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03/19/2005 10:02 PM (UTC)
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For the last time; YES REIKO IS SHAO KHAN!!! He's also Liu Kang.....and Quan Chi.. OH! And Ed Boon. Glad I got that cleared up.wink
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03/20/2005 12:09 AM (UTC)
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Reiko is not SHAO KAHN! Now look what this thread has started. In konquest mode on MKD you are given a command by Shao Kahn to find Reiko. He has been sneaking into Shao Kahn's private chamber and putting on his helmet. After you find Reiko he promises never to do such and thing again, but does say he will be emperor of Outworld someday, and the helmet will be his. So Reiko just thinks Shao Kahn's helmet is hellacool, which it is grin.

With the revelation of Reiko being in Outworld and being Shao Kahn's general gives us the idea that Reiko is of Outworld descent. He may have come from Outworld before working for Shinnok, then after Shinnok's banishment to the Netherealm he goes back home to Outworld and becomes the emperors general.
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03/20/2005 02:10 AM (UTC)
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He's not Kahn, and I'm actually going to make an update on that page very soon. I've been putting it off for a while, but now that the whole "clone" issue is brought up, I can make the page updated.
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03/20/2005 03:48 AM (UTC)
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This topic or "Disscussion" has been brought up many many times.
No, Reiko is not Shao Kahn. He just likes to wear shao kahns clothing.
But does want to takeover Shao kahns throne
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03/20/2005 05:39 AM (UTC)
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Reiko not only is shao kahn, but he is also Jesus and Ghandi.

He was also Richard Simmons breifly for a period in the 80's.
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03/20/2005 07:34 AM (UTC)
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AllHailGoro Wrote:
Reiko not only is shao kahn, but he is also Jesus and Ghandi.

He was also Richard Simmons breifly for a period in the 80's.

You're funny.
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Joes04
03/20/2005 08:02 AM (UTC)
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No , Reiko is Definatley NOT Shao Khan !!!
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03/20/2005 02:49 PM (UTC)
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Yea There Was indeed a mix up between those two around the MK4 days, I think thats what their idea was kinda leaning towards but changed it after the game came out and what not, so bnot being able to change it through the game...Ed Boon Stated That Reiko Is not Shao Kahn, and their was alot of talk about this topis before but now that MK:D Konquest has cleared that up, Im assuming there wont be, or there cant be any kore talk about this if there is then some people need to play some MK Games.
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03/22/2005 12:21 AM (UTC)
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Kingdragon2001 Wrote:
Reiko is not SHAO KAHN! Now look what this thread has started. In konquest mode on MKD you are given a command by Shao Kahn to find Reiko. He has been sneaking into Shao Kahn's private chamber and putting on his helmet. After you find Reiko he promises never to do such and thing again, but does say he will be emperor of Outworld someday, and the helmet will be his. So Reiko just thinks Shao Kahn's helmet is hellacool, which it is grin.

With the revelation of Reiko being in Outworld and being Shao Kahn's general gives us the idea that Reiko is of Outworld descent. He may have come from Outworld before working for Shinnok, then after Shinnok's banishment to the Netherealm he goes back home to Outworld and becomes the emperors general.
Midway only put that mission in there for two reasons:
1. so they could have every character in konquest. they figured that they might as well get the most out of characters, so they seperated the two
2.to finally stop the fan arguments. they had to decide if he was or wasn't and they chose wasn't

but the fact of the matter is Reiko and Shao Kahn were canonly the same person before they made a cheap ass decision for MKD. hell, the gameboy ending, the spiked gloves, THE GOD DAMNED MASK, what more freakin proof do you people NEED!!!?? konquest might not even be 100% canon, people! how do you decide what did and didn't happen when Jarek is in the netherrealm before he is born!? which are you going to believe? that Reiko was Shao Kahn in disguise to assassinate Shinnok? or that a great martial artist and tough general has a dress-up fetish? if they are different people, then why the hell is a brotherhood of shadow general working for Shao Kahn in the first place!!?
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03/23/2005 02:34 AM (UTC)
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Kano_rulz Wrote:
Kingdragon2001 Wrote:
Reiko is not SHAO KAHN! Now look what this thread has started. In konquest mode on MKD you are given a command by Shao Kahn to find Reiko. He has been sneaking into Shao Kahn's private chamber and putting on his helmet. After you find Reiko he promises never to do such and thing again, but does say he will be emperor of Outworld someday, and the helmet will be his. So Reiko just thinks Shao Kahn's helmet is hellacool, which it is grin.

With the revelation of Reiko being in Outworld and being Shao Kahn's general gives us the idea that Reiko is of Outworld descent. He may have come from Outworld before working for Shinnok, then after Shinnok's banishment to the Netherealm he goes back home to Outworld and becomes the emperors general.
Midway only put that mission in there for two reasons:
1. so they could have every character in konquest. they figured that they might as well get the most out of characters, so they seperated the two
2.to finally stop the fan arguments. they had to decide if he was or wasn't and they chose wasn't

but the fact of the matter is Reiko and Shao Kahn were canonly the same person before they made a cheap ass decision for MKD. hell, the gameboy ending, the spiked gloves, THE GOD DAMNED MASK, what more freakin proof do you people NEED!!!?? konquest might not even be 100% canon, people! how do you decide what did and didn't happen when Jarek is in the netherrealm before he is born!? which are you going to believe? that Reiko was Shao Kahn in disguise to assassinate Shinnok? or that a great martial artist and tough general has a dress-up fetish? if they are different people, then why the hell is a brotherhood of shadow general working for Shao Kahn in the first place!!?


Well I believe he has a dress up fetish, the dude looks like he's wearing make-up around his eyes. Hey, Quan Chi wears make-up. Now could you explain to me the bald spikey head Shao Kahn has as apposed to Reiko's full head of head that is spikeless. Now we know that everything in Konquest is not official but some aspects of it are true. Like Mavado hiring Hsu Hao and making him a Red Dragon. Now we know that it never happened like that, but the fact remains that Hsu Hao was made a Red Dragon. Also with Sektor in Edenia wanting Shujinko to get him spare parts in Seido. Sektor is supposed to be in Japan, but the battle with Sub-Zero he had did happen. My guess is that if they make this cannon Kano_Rulz, you'll be really pissed if Reiko has a dress up fetish.

I think he does have one. The man behind the story, John Vogal, said that they are not the same person, but are connected. So Kano_Rulz Shao Kahn is not Reiko! He has a dress up fetish.
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03/24/2005 05:37 PM (UTC)
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well the spikey headed Kahn thing came from a comic or a strategy guide or something. that might not be official. and Shang wore makeup! Nightwolf wore makeup! you don't see them hanging out with Hsu Hao on saturday nights!... well you see Shang doing something like that in a comic over at the kombatpavillion called 'Sub & Scorps' but thats irrelavent tongue
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03/24/2005 07:26 PM (UTC)
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The Spikey head appeared in the Official MK 2-3 strategy guide. Now all we need do is wait for Midway to unmask Kahn once again to do so. Damnit Midway, give us a straight answer to this age old question!
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03/24/2005 08:54 PM (UTC)
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Kano_rulz Wrote:
well the spikey headed Kahn thing came from a comic or a strategy guide or something. that might not be official. and Shang wore makeup! Nightwolf wore makeup! you don't see them hanging out with Hsu Hao on saturday nights!... well you see Shang doing something like that in a comic over at the kombatpavillion called 'Sub & Scorps' but thats irrelavent tongue


The comic Shao Kahn's weird spiky head appeared in first was the official MK2 comic, created by John "co creator of Mortal Kombat" Tobias. This makes it official. As for the mask, that was just done in an attempt to make Reiko a bit more interesting (his original ending just had him walking through a portal). Someone thought it would be cool to put him in Kahn's mask and gloves. Hell, anyone can wear those, even Kitana. Would that make her Shao Kahn if she did? Perhaps I'm Shao Kahn, no wait, we're all Shao Kahn. The Gameboy ending was not created by Midway. My guess is, since GB could only do text endings, someone put two and two together, and came up with twelve.
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03/24/2005 09:17 PM (UTC)
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It seems that Reiko would be Shao Kahn and may have even been supposed to be in the first place, but when it was cleared up i think it was a poor ass decision to make him seem like he had a fetich to wear Kahn's clothing.

What they should have said, and what would be logical (since i don't believe half the stuff in Konquest) is that in the first place, Shao Kahn was defeated after MK3. Thats why Shinnok was there in the first place, because Kahn wasn't. After Kahn's defeat, Reiko takes his place, which is why he put on the helmet and everything. It would have made more since if they would have cleared it like that.
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03/24/2005 09:52 PM (UTC)
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I just kan't win an argument here, can I? =/ lmao

that comic was obviously made before MK4, back when they didn't know this plot would exist. besides, Jade changed skin color 3 times before MKD, yet all 4 Jades are the same person, are they not? the ending had to have been hinting at Reiko being Shao Kahn. what else could it have been hinting at? if he became the new ruler of Outworld, they would have showed him giving a speach or something. if he was Kahn's assassin, it would have shown Kahn congratulaing him. so what else could it have meant Mr. Smarty warty poop-poop?
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03/25/2005 02:33 AM (UTC)
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Smoke01 Wrote:
It seems that Reiko would be Shao Kahn and may have even been supposed to be in the first place, but when it was cleared up i think it was a poor ass decision to make him seem like he had a fetich to wear Kahn's clothing.


Actually, Reiko was originally supposed to have some sort of connection to Sareena. Which would have made a lot more sense since they are both demons, both memberd of the Brotherhood, and the plot in MK4 followed up on what happened in Mythologies.
Having Reiko put on Shao Kahn's mask was last minute decision that had no thought put into it which was only done to add "intrigue" to Reiko's character.

What was said in Konquest mode isn't canon, but I guess we'll have to accept that expanation until they decide what they're really going to do with Reiko (if anything).
Personally, as a Reiko fan, I hope that if they ever do bring him back they write off his possible connections to Shao Kahn as quickly as possible and never speak of it again. The whole Reiko/Kahn fiasco really ruined what little, and I'll admit there was very little, credibility he had as a character.
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03/25/2005 04:04 AM (UTC)
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We also have to remeber that in Shinnoks bio for Mk4, his long dead general returns to help lead his army. If Reiko were Kahn, he would have had been dead. MKDA reveals that Shao Kahn was alive. MK4 never said the Reiko was resurected. And just for the record, the guy who though of the Reiko/Kahn ending was John Vogal. John is behind the MK storyline, but has said on occasion that Reiko and Shao Kahn are not the same person. He said they are connected. Damn you Vogal for ever thinking up the Reiko/Kahn ending!
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03/25/2005 04:48 PM (UTC)
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it said Reiko was THOUGHT dead. this could mean that Shao could have tried to assassinate him in the past, but purposely lost a battle so Shinnok would lose. he went back to Outworld and resurfaced when Shinnok did.

OR, Shao Kahn had heard of the long dead general Reiko. he knew that his body was never found, so, using the opening, he disguised himself as Reiko so he could kill him when the time was right

as for Vogel:
Vogel Said:
Reiko is not Shao Kahn, but they are connected

Boon Said:
there are more than 24 characters
Midway : cheap bastards that give vague answers until you buy their merchandise
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03/25/2005 05:22 PM (UTC)
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Now in MK4 I believe that is Shao Kahn. He took the form of Reiko thanks to his shadow priests, and went to assassinate Shinnok. Reiko in MK4 has the Wrath Hammer as a weapon!

Now I think that Shao Kahn took Reiko's form in MK4, but he is not Reiko. But What realm could Reiko be from? It may be true that he was once a general of Shao Kahn, how else would Kahn know of his existence.

But I, as said before, think that Reiko has a Kahn helmet fetish. Odd and disappointing, but remember that Reiko was just used to replace Noob Saibot in MK4 so they could have a new face. That is the reason in MKD that Noob throws ninja stars. Reiko threw stars in MK4
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03/26/2005 12:26 AM (UTC)
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Kingdragon2001 Wrote:
Now in MK4 I believe that is Shao Kahn. He took the form of Reiko thanks to his shadow priests, and went to assassinate Shinnok. Reiko in MK4 has the Wrath Hammer as a weapon!


Wrong. Reiko's weapon in MK4 is a Spiked Club.

Anyway, just for the record, Reiko and Shao Kahn are NOT the same person. Reiko's MK4 ending, which was created by Steve Beran, was meant to be a joke as well as add mystery to the character. Time after time again, the MK team confirmed that Reiko and Shao Kahn are NOT the same person. Reiko was at one time one of Shao Kahn's minions.

Not all of the things in MKD's Konquest are canon. It has a lot of plotholes in it unfortunately. Things like Jax guarding a bridge and Jarek being in the Netherrealm are all non-canon stuff that's not even part of Shujinko's storyline!! Those things are just side missions!

It's all about looking at the main missions of the game, not the damn side missions! Fujin is still in Earthrealm, not in Seido! It's common sense really.

However, there are certain things that must be analyzed carefully. Reiko may have been a general of Shao Kahn's which is probably the connection. The helmet fetish and Reiko wanting to rule Outworld are most likely no more than just funny bits added in.

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03/26/2005 01:00 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Kingdragon2001 Wrote:
Now in MK4 I believe that is Shao Kahn. He took the form of Reiko thanks to his shadow priests, and went to assassinate Shinnok. Reiko in MK4 has the Wrath Hammer as a weapon!


Wrong. Reiko's weapon in MK4 is a Spiked Club.



Damn then something must be wrong with the MK 4 I'm borrowing from my friend! wow He does have a game modifier! Damn it all, he made me look silly! Well I do agree that Kahn is not Reiko as I said a few posts ago.
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03/29/2005 12:24 AM (UTC)
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2 Midway proofs that Reiko is NOT Kahn. (Besides Ed Boon's word.)

In MK Deception, in Konquest mode Shao Kahn tells you that Reiko likes wearing his helmet and tells you to find Reiko and tell him that if he does it again, he's dead.

Another proof is the people of Netherealm and Chaos realm who speak backwards. If you reverse a sound on one of the characters they say, "Reiko is not Shao Kahn."
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03/29/2005 02:09 AM (UTC)
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....dude, did you read ANY of the above argument?
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