damn thats interesting question !

have an interesting anwer?

first he not seems white on his icon for me:
http://mk.ediko.net/pics/umk3/ermac.gif

Yeah, definately caucasion

Because of the glare on the select screen pic its hard to tell what they were going for.

He is just a weird character. He can be either dark or light skinned. Maybe they were going to use the light skin version for Player 1 originally so they made a select screen pick of that (like how Stryker was originally going to be Red for player 1 so you can see that little red in his select screen pic).

I think he's tannish in his icon. But he's white in MK trilogy. Why did they change that?

It's not like they were planning to put red Stryker. They just couldn't do the motion capture with a guy dressed in blue. Which is obvious since mo-cap was doing on blue box. So all the characters with blue parts of clothes in the game (such as Stryker or Sub-Zero) were played by actors/actresses dressed in red. And not only them. Red color is just the easiest to capture on blue box. Just watch the Making of MK3 video and look at John Turk for instance.

Actually, originally Stryker was going to be Red for player 1. Thats why in that video ]{ombat posted with MK3 gameplay before it was released, Stryker was Red for player 1. Thats also why stryker's select screen picture is red, because the select screen picture is traditionally of the player 1 color, which was originally going to be red. o.O

And PSX didn't change Ermac, they just swapped P1 and P2 colors. PSX Player 1 ermac is the same as Arcade Player 2 Ermac. They did the same with Johnny Cage in the SNES version of MK2 (and probably others).

Did they ever say that Stryker was supposed to be red? Because the video doesn't proof that. It just doesn't show the final version of the game. In early MK2 version, you could saw Cage with red shin pads. Furthermore, this video shows that they have already put the blue version of Stryker on the VS screen (8:52 for instance), even though he's still red during the fight. Besides, I seriously doubt they were planning to put a cop with a red costume as his primary.


Actually, in MKT both his costumes show that Ermac has white skin, unlike in UMK3, where in his primary he had darker complexion.

o.O Dude you are really going off about this one. Any place they could easily change it, they made P1 blue for Stryker. The select screen wasn't just a matter of picking a different pallet so they left it the original red. Why is that such a big issue for you?

Edit: And please don't say its red because they had to film him in a red costume originally like you said before. Following that logic all the female ninjas should be the same color. Its silly to think they couldn't change the picture to what they wanted it to be originally. Its just they originally wanted it red and then were too lazy to change it back, since it was the only graphic that would need to be redone to change P1 from red to blue besides ending pics that were probably created much later in development.

You didn't answer my question "Did they ever say that Stryker was supposed to be red?" and yet you didn't provide any proof that I'm "really going off about this one".


IMO, it's just an oversight. Just look at it. There are only a few red pixels. Besides, I've shown you that they changed him in the VS screen, even though he was still red during the fight.


It's not at all. It is just a discussion. I mean, isn't this forum named "Classic MK Games Discussion"? It is rather you who is making an issue out of it, by saying such things. Did I offend you or something? I suppose I did not. So can you keep it cool, dude?

And BTW, I didn't call any of your comments "silly", so stop acting like a more mature, 'cause it doesn't look like you really are. Especially, when I didn't say they couldn't change the picture. I dunno where did you get that. I repeat, that IMO these few red pixels were just an oversight. But hey, that's just my opinion. It's ok if you don't agree with it. You have the right to your own. But please stop acting like your opinion is the only correct one when you don't have a proof.

Cheers!

Did they ever say Ermac was in MK1? No. But yet legions of fans believe this without any proof, DreemerNJ has evidence that they might have intended for Stryker's P1 costume to be red because his select screen picture is, and in early versions of the game he was as well. That's all you need to be able to say that it was an intent to have him red. Saying something like "It doesn't right to make a cop in red" is just your opinion based on a common trend of "The Boys in Blue"

I know he's your buddy, but you really don't have to speak for him. Besides, what you said still isn't an explanation at all. I don't care that "legions of fans believe" that Ermac was in MK1. I don't, so spare me such a comment.

Dreemernj has no evidence that Stryker was or was not suppose to be red. Neither do I. These are just speculations, but you insist that only you are right. I've just shared couple thoughts about this matter. But you've picked the one about cops, which was to be taken with a pinch of salt.

In the end, I don't care anymore, if he was suppose to be red, blue, green or pink. This discussion is no longer fun for me. Thx.

this is going off topic and unanswered

Character in earliest readily available for viewing and playable version of game = red

Character's selection screen portrait = red

Character is then changed to blue

If that doesn't scream intent, I don't know what does. The only reason this discussion is no longer fun for you, or you don't care, is because you can no longer think of ways to argue a moot point.

When someone presents a valid point, and someone, whether they actually believe in what they are saying or not, dismisses it just because they don't agree, and continues to contradict only with opinions, insighting responses like this one right now, for no reason, that is called trolling.

So are you saying they never intended putting a carpet on the Bank floor? Because you don't think they intended for Stryker to have red trim originally as P1, it's automatically true? The reason I brought up the Ermac in MK1 thing is because far more people care about something that isn't true, and believe it is true, without any evidence, whereas here, there is evidence, but not enough for you. That doesn't matter though because this isn't fun anymore.

I was under the impression everyone assumed that early on in development Stryker was intended to be red?
In the MK3 vid ]{ posted recently, and the "Making of MK3" vid stickied in this forum, there's that clip of the MK3 machine with Red Stryker fighting Cyrax. Cyrax does a 4 hit combo, which was removed from the later version of MK3. They obviously did the same with Stryker's outfit.

The most damming evidence is the MK3 select screen pic.
On a side note, I think it was actually changed to blue for MKT's player icons...

In the first place, I'd like to apologise Vash_15 for this off topic and lack of the answer to his question. We have just stated our thoughts and only the programmers know the truth. Exactly like in the Stryker's case... But obviously someone just can't understand that...


I've just shown you that there was already a blue Stryker on the VS screen, so don't write "Character is then changed to blue". Moreover, there are many other situations like this one. There's even a red Rayden, which can be clearly seen in the MK2 Launch Kit video. So will you tell me that this is not because of the motion capture, but they might have intended for Rayden's P1 costume to be red? Sure.


No, I am not saying that. This is just your far-fetched conclusion.


Yea, I've just told you that I don't believe that Ermac thing. And why are you still forcing your point of view? There is really no proof, but you still insist on your opinion. Wow.


OK, I was mistaken. It is still fun. Or even funny when someone writes:

When someone presents a valid point, and someone, whether they actually believe in what they are saying or not, dismisses it just because they don't agree, and continues to contradict only with opinions, insighting responses like this one right now, for no reason, that is called trolling.

...and does that at the same time. So you're saying that my point isn't valid. OK then. That's how you see that. But I thought that in discussion everyone has the right to their own opinion, so why are you still insist that only you are right? Because you're a king of this forum and won't let any pawn freely speaks his mind? Seriously, this is not the first time I see this attitude. And I'm not just talking about my posts. And you know what? This is sad. When someone presents such skills in the gameplay, but acts like this on the board. I thought you're a cool guy, but now... oh well...

I really don't wan't to argue with you and I hope I didn't offend you somehow, so cheers man.
And yea krsx66, you've said that right... an impression.

You should have apologized for your first post in this thread. It was an off-topic response to my on-topic comment.

And please drop the "must wear red to digitize" stuff .
Sometimes they just want a red character. Do you think the only reason a red Raiden is in their is because they had to do Red? Then why not have everyone have all swappable colors red? In MK2 Shang's costume was yellow, as was Jax's originally, the female ninjas were capped from a woman in a non-red costume. Sometimes they just want a red character.

And, since we don't know for certain what they really wanted originally, I said they probably were originally going to have Ermac a different color, but then changed the character without changing his select screen pic. Just like Stryker.

It is the most logical possibility. So please, stop with the pointless arguing.

Well, I just did.


You don't understand. It concerns only those characters, which were intended to be blue (e.g. Rayden in MK2 or Stryker in MK3). That's because the blue parts of their costumes would have caused the effect of transparency in those places when captured on blue box. So they didn't need to have Shang dressed in red.


First of, I wasn't arguing but discussing. Second of, not about Ermac, but Stryker. Third of, you have your point and I have mine, so you can't call it "pointless". Fourth of, you agreed that we don't know for certain and that's just a possibility, so why don't you stop arguing? I don't claim that I'm right for sure. No offense, but you guys are acting like you are. I really don't like this unpleasant atmosphere that has been created here. Don't get so irritated, when someone doesn't agree with you. Can we please keep it cool?

Can you?

Seriously this thread just needs to be closed. You've not let it stay anywhere near the topic since your first post and none of the energy you put into this thread was actual discussion about the thread. You just nit-picked a small detail from my post, ignored what I was trying to say about the topic, and went off on some tangent about Stryker not being red originally (despite the select screen picture with red and the P1 color being red on test versions, but sure dude, go for it).

If the posts after this one are not about the thread we are actually in, then this thread should just be closed because there is too strong a force of argument going against staying on topic.

So, to reiterate what I said about the topic originally,

Because of the glare on the select screen pic its hard to tell what they were going for.

He is just a weird character. He can be either dark or light skinned. Maybe they were going to use the light skin version for Player 1 originally so they made a select screen pic of that (like how Stryker was originally going to be Red for player 1 so you can see that little red in his select screen pic).

Good idea, i dont like it from the beginning

Ermac's selection screen picture, and P1 UMK3 arcade skin color, are both darker than the average player.

Yes I can and I am all the time. Unlike you, 'cause you still have negative attitude towards me and everything what I say.


Listen dude, it is rather you who constantly ignores my arguments and doesn't read the whole thread. Because, if you had read what I wrote, you would see that I was talking about Ermac in MKT, too. But you're sticking to your point of view and attacking mine. But if you like that, then sure dude, go for it. I won't repeat what I've said already.

In UMK3 ermac's alternate had white skin correct?
In trilogy both him and his alternate had white skin. I think that's interesting, just thought I'd put it out there to see what you guys think.