Cool,gonna check them out....Ninjagrinder,you made a vid of
N64's MKT a long time ago,i remember that combo vid beacuse it had death metal as background music,cool!!....good luck pal.

If I remember correctly, are these some of the guys who play with throws disabled often? If so, it shows because the throwing was constant. Hanzo let me down as well.

i will checl Colombia matches

NO. we never play throwing disabled. those guys don't played like that "often". they NEVER did. keep in mind that the matches took place in June, 2004. the ranpder matches were on march, 2004. what makes you think you "remember correctly" something about us? where or when did you read we played throwing disabled? I mentioned once on GCC some guys here used to play like that, but that was in 2001 lol...

I let you down??

You guys get so defensive, not to mention forgetful, who are the players from South America who claim playing with throws disabled proves you're better at close range fighting? I could have swore it was Hanzo and his buddies. And you let me down because of all the botched/poorly selected combo opportunities, I had to actually stop watching the matches halfway through. I'm not pulling punches anymore here, I have to let it be told how I see it.

i remember watching venezuella match vids that Hanzo posted at SRK long time ago and they were with throwing disabled, MKT 2on2 matches.

I also remember it being constantly mentioned that playing with throws makes gameplay bad.

yeah, i read at srk something familiar too. its important to mention throws plays HUGE role in some characters like Ermac, Human Smoke, Scorpion, Kitana and etc...

If anyone is wondering why I'm attacking these vids, it's because of what I've been told, and the trash talk that has gone on throughout other message boards about this same topic. I have been told straight up, Venezuela has the best UMK3 players in the world, and they can take it to Chicago and NJ players. This couldn't be more inaccurate. Now remember, Ninja Grinder is a friend of mine, at least when it comes to collaborating on combo videos, but combo videos are not the same as gameplay. I was greatly surprised at the South American comboing ability boasts in actual matches, and how there's never any mess ups, but then all I see are mess ups, and miss opportunities, with a few standard combos/juggles done here and there with less than normal consistency. One so simple that I'm stuck on especially was a corner Kabal spin situation. I saw Spin, and then LK, LK, HP, HP, D+HP, for 15%, when JK starter, HK, LK, HK, B+HK for 36% was possible, I just can't get over it. Shockingly obvious stuff. Other situations were just bizarre, like not doing anything after a blocked teleport punch as Kabal, or Kitana jumping away and punching when doing trying to do a wave punch.

Other than that, people are thrown constantly, random special moves like Kabal's spin, jumping in at Kabal constantly, missed guaranteed juggles all over the place. This is stuff I'm seeing from Hanzo and NG.

Some decent stuff here and there, but overall, still not the barrage of talent I am expecting out of the hype, and I'm only going based on the combos, tactically, it doesn't look like anyone knows what they are doing outside of one specialized character they play, and even then it's not the same compared to standards I see elsewhere. I. It's kind of hard to judge with all the throwing going on. It looks like either you guys don't know that throw prevention is in the game by holding back, or the sticks were messed up or something and you couldn't find the sweet spot for D+B, which happens, but not like this. Don't get me wrong, I saw some good usage of combos, and a few characters used well, but I was better than this in 1999, maybe even earlier, and don't expect to even hold a candle to any Chicago players. Were you guys just that unfamiliar with the sticks? That's the only thing I can think of to cause this much of an impact on overall performance. If I ever get the money, I will fly you guys out here for a big tourny, that is a promise. I'd like to be able to even do it regularly, like a quarterly UMK3 tourny sponsored by myself.

Now I await "You aren't that good either Shock, you mess up combos too." I never said I didn't, but you guys claim standard 4X axe combos with Nightwolf are commonplace in Venezuela...

i saw ur matches, can u tell me which version ur on MKt adn UMK3

NinjaGrinder Vs Wild Daigo 7.wmv
Wild Daigo Vs Dark Warlock2.wmv
FrankVsDavid1.wmv
Gadget Tsugaru Vs Hanzo1.wmv
NinjaGrinderVsMister2.wmv

Matt: you're so confused...

First off, Hanzo and HANZO ASASHI are not the same person!!!!! hanzo is a colombian guy who plays a lot samurai shodown 4, so why he took that nick. he's not much of a umk3 player as u can see. he used to be, but he quit.
Second, I have never, ever played with the venezuela guys. we (colombian people) have never, ever posted throing disabled matches. I sayed once in GCC that some guys here asked me to play like that, 'cause they thought throwing was cheap. ok, I admit it, damn it!! I used to think that too, but that was way before I met u guys. (2000)

I never claimed we were better than anyone. I just watch the matches, say "cool stuff" and that's it. if I see something "wrong" or "weak" I keep it to myself. that kind of shit happens everytime in casual/torny games, so who am I to point "scrub!"???

AGAIN, those matches were in june 2004. we play a lot better than that now. I don't have to lie to anyone. I don't need to impress anybody and believe me, not even you. I like to watch other's people matches, so I can learn something why not? we learn something new every time we play. i know the june2k4 game weren't "U.S. level"-we're just posting matchvidz here and there so other people can see how we play in Colombia. I never said "look! colombian hi-level umk3/mkt matches" I've never attacked or bashed someone else's gameplay just by seeing a couple of matches. that's absurd.
and as for that joke of getting us to us for a "world torny", lol. I want to play Hanzo (ASHASHI, VENEZUELA GUY) and his friends, that's a lot more easy. I'm sure those guys are pretty good at umk3. maybe even better than us (COLOMBIA GUYS) NJ, CHI players r really good as well, not "gods" or something, but pretty good.

all those matches were on arcade umk3. the mkt matches are easy to recognize, for the absence of "crowd reaction". (the were taped on a vcr)
did you liked them?

Gods is a better term, and I'm glad that's not the same Hanzo because I was very disappointed. What reason would you have posting a tournament other than "Check us out, this is what we can do."? I just watched the rest of the vids to make sure there was nothing I missed. I just don't understand. Could you make a list of who actually plays UMK3 out the people there?

see? you simply come and bash everything we do with no arguments. why did u thought we played Vs venezuela guys and never mentioned it? the day that happens, believe me, I'll let EVERYONE know. let me get things straight for ya:
last year I run over 10 tournaments (1 mkt included). not all those tornys were big, or were played by the best players around here. for the most part they were just preliminary, small tornys with a lot of newcomers, plus some other guys who could play properly. the big final took place on dec 7th 2004. I haven't showed anything from that day. the other big tornys we had, were one run by myself (10th year anniversary on nov 13th 2005) and HANZO run another one called ATC2k5. the final was on nov 26th 2005. those last tornys gathered 20 & 16 people (respectively). my big problem is that I don't own a camcorder. the guy who record 'em is giving 'em to me by pieces. he just gave me the march and june 2k4 vidz and that's why I posted the matches until now. I wanted to show ANYTHING involved with our "scene". but you just have to always come and criticize as if I was saying "we r better than you, look!" my attitude has always been "just watch 'em and enjoy 'em" I've never bashed any of your vidz, though the're not perfect. in fact, I've never said anything bad about anyone else's matches. some r good, some r really good, some r regular. but that's not my point. I just like to watch 'em. that's all. I can only criticize matches from players I KNOW. I can say "you were too slow" "wtf??" "I can do that better" because I know how they play often, because I play 'em all the time. anyway the people who play on a regular basis here (they always go to tornys and/or we gather for casual play at least all weekends) are:
David a.k.a Killermanmk
Jhonmk
Lucho a.k.a Skaman
Fresasmo
Quinche
Hanzo (retired at times :S)
Ivan a.k.a Dark Warlock
Daniel a.k.a Mosco
Gilbert
Daniel
Wild Daigo
Gadget Tsugaru
William a.k.a AJI
Eduardo a.k.a Pecas
Camilo a.k.a Papa Noel
Mario a.k.a Gondo
Pedraza
Myself
there's near other 10 people who come and play sometimes, but they're scrubs for the most part. in the list I put, only half of them r REALLY good (IMO). the others are "just good" (they r dedicated to other games and haven't go in depth with umk)

I'm not sure, but r u thinking Colombia & Venezuela r some kind of "towns" or something? it's not like we can say "oh, I don't have anything better to do this weekend, so I guess I'll go to Venezuela for some UMK3 rapin'" it's another COUNTRY. it's real far u know? besides, there's always politic problems between both countries and violence and stuff like that. it's not always safe to make that kind of trip. we're not rich people, we have jobs like all the rest. I hope someday MKK team and us can play each other...

Stop thinking I'm an ignorant American. I know Venezuela and ColOmbia are different countries, I even know their capitals. But I also know that traveling distance to Venezuela to Colombia eastern most to western most border is significantly less than traveling from Chicago to NJ, but there's also a chance you could be within 10 kilometers of one another. Smuggle some guys in some backpacks and a VW Bug and make the trip, do this shit and see what's up. Then if and when I get the funding I will in fact host a tournament and fly people out here, it's not a joke, DreemerNJ knows how serious I am.

I posted that I was disappointed with Hanzo, he posts on here, and doesn't specify that it's not him. Come on.

What you really should do is have another local tournament early next year and then post those videos.

ninjagrinder ur gameplay is cheap

wtf? instigator.

jajajajaajajaj why u say that? what's "cheap"? I know it's "cheeze" lol but, what's "cheap" in UMK3????? funny u say so, 'cause in that time, I used to think that runjabbing and turtling was cheap. not so anymore! jjajajaja

MK2KungBroken:
it's not about the distance. it's not that easy to pass to another country, even if it is a "brother" one. it's pretty expensive. none of us own a car so it gets a lot more expensive :S I really wanna do that trip, or host hanzo and some of his friends here and have a torny, but that's hard to do as well. someday...
I guess Hanzo Asashi thought that u were talking about his MKT matches. and he is real busy these days, I guess he haven't read all this.
on a side note I'd really like to know other guys opinions on the matches. just out of curiosity, what do Konqrr, DreemerNJ, _ded and all people here think of them?

cheap? jajajajajajajaja

Ok let get this right for Once and for all...

First of all... IM NOT THE PLAYER THAT APEARS ON THOSE VIDS.

IM "HANZO_HASASHI", And cannot believe that you Matt believed that it was me when you have seen my style in our old vids.

Second...Matt wrote:
"You guys get so defensive, not to mention forgetful, who are the players from South America who claim playing with throws disabled proves you're better at close range fighting? "

Funny to read because you were the first who said when you watched our vids thet we were TOO AGRESSIVE and had almost to NO BLOCKING AT ALL...remember?

"also remember it being constantly mentioned that playing with throws makes gameplay bad"

True, I said that.

"If anyone is wondering why I'm attacking these vids, it's because of what I've been told, and the trash talk that has gone on throughout other message boards about this same topic. I have been told straight up, Venezuela has the best UMK3 players in the world, and they can take it to Chicago and NJ players. This couldn't be more inaccurate."

I dont care if you attack wichever vid you want. And about who is best...KEEP READING.

" I was greatly surprised at the South American comboing ability boasts in actual matches, and how there's never any mess ups, but then all I see are mess ups, and miss opportunities, with a few standard combos/juggles done here and there with less than normal consistency. One so simple that I'm stuck on especially was a corner Kabal spin situation. I saw Spin, and then LK, LK, HP, HP, D+HP, for 15%, when JK starter, HK, LK, HK, B+HK for 36% was possible, I just can't get over it. Shockingly obvious stuff. Other situations were just bizarre, like not doing anything after a blocked teleport punch as Kabal, or Kitana jumping away and punching when doing trying to do a wave punch."

The really bizarre stuff about this is that after watching TWICE the NEC6 vids this was exactly what I had to say! There is no EXECUTION in the vids showed. Its weird to see a kabal player doin the SAME you are attacking in this thread. In your vid there are TELEGRAPHED attacks, missed combo opprtunities and Teleports unpunished so...what are you attacking if you do the same? About the Kabal combo...You US players start it with Hp HP D+HP....so what are you attacking again?

And those were 2K4 vids from Colombia but yours were from less than 15 days ago....and from the self proclaimed "best" UMK players in the world....PHEW....

" tactically, it doesn't look like anyone knows what they are doing outside of one specialized character they play, and even then it's not the same compared to standards I see elsewhere."

What means to you elsewhere? Online playing? Because I can assure you that is the only comp you can get in UMK...and it is bad as EVERY of your vids guys prove....

"Were you guys just that unfamiliar with the sticks? "

After reading konqrr coment of :" It was a bad idea after all to play on an stick..." this comment goes to HELL instantly... You are the ones that are not accustomed to sticks because of all that keyboard playing and online "Lag" match making...

"Now I await "You aren't that good either Shock, you mess up combos too." I never said I didn't, but you guys claim standard 4X axe combos with Nightwolf are commonplace in Venezuela..."

And THE ARE STILL THE STANDART HERE! 4 axes to everyone!


"What reason would you have posting a tournament other than "Check us out, this is what we can do."?"

The same I wonder when I watch every US vid released since this UMK rage vid began....I think it was with Lex raping on Neo(MKL)... correct me if im wrong....


"What you really should do is have another local tournament early next year and then post those videos."

They have one from Nov 2005 and they will post it.

Now on the good stuff:

"If I ever get the money, I will fly you guys out here for a big tourny, that is a promise. I'd like to be able to even do it regularly, like a quarterly UMK3 tourny sponsored by myself. "

" Then if and when I get the funding I will in fact host a tournament and fly people out here, it's not a joke, DreemerNJ knows how serious I am.
"

Ok this really caught my atention.

Matt it isnt necesarily a tourney to prove who is better. If you can achieve it, I WILL HOST YOU AND 2 OR 3 MORE OF YOUR FRIENDS and I can think that i could afford things like food and stuff or there is the MOTEL otions.... I could assure you that ALL OF YOU ARE WELCOME IN MY HUMBLE HOME. We could play round robin US against Vzla all day or a little tourney if you guys want.

So its only a matter of confirmation and to make an schedule and to confirm dates.... As I said...you are welcome in my home. Seriously.

Remember to bring a camcorder and plenty of tape.

A tournament is all about proving who is the best of the players available that day. Don't be so naive.

i dont want this to sound rude, those are not bad matches but not a high-level. the eccx matches are the best online matches for now.