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Who is Classic Sub-Zero
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posted02/07/2013 10:10 PM (UTC)by
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Classic Sub-Zero's ending in UMK3:
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Having been killed in the first tournament Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask both theOutworld and the Earth-born warriors... are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior. A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament.
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I knew this since awhile back, but never made a thread about it nor seen one so I thought now would be good to start one.
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At first, I had always thought he was Bi-Han, the original Sub-Zero from MK1 until someone on the forum pointed out to me the fact that in his ending, it appears to be some one else.
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Appears to be a Cryomancer
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Perhaps a member of Kuai Lang's and Bi-Han family, due to his costumes color
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Apparently thought to be Bi-Han by the other characters too, as evidenced by the first sentence of the ending text
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Was in a prior MK tournament (most likely one before MK1)
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I'll have some more information and my personal theory up as soon as possible.
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 •02/05/2013 03:37 AM (UTC) •
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I imagine they had no real plan for him to ever really be canon, they just wrote something mysterious sounding to confuse people and make them talk and come up with crazy guesses.

The only characters from "a previous mortal kombat" who weren't in UMK3, who the other characters would recognize, were Raiden, Baraka, Johnny Cage, and the original Sub-Zero (since he wasn't revealed to be Noob Saibot until Deception).

And since the ending implies the surprise is that Classic Sub-Zero's NOT really Sub-Zero but someone else you wouldn't expect...and all those other characters were added in Trilogy but Classic Sub's ending wasn't changed in Trilogy...well, there's no right answer.
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 •02/05/2013 03:41 AM (UTC) •
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He's supposed to be a live representation of the original Sub-Zero. He was thrown in there mainly because of the other "ninjas" that were demanded to make an appearance for the third game, and since the current Sub-Zero, at that time, was not wearing a mask, boom, Classic Sub-Zero was created.

This is really all that he is, nothing special, he's not a secret, he's not a relative of the Sub-Zero brothers, he's mainly just a representation. That's it.
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 •02/06/2013 04:14 AM (UTC) •
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Getting into detail, two Sub
Zero's existed before Bi Han and Kuai Liang, simply known as Ancestor Sub-Zero. The Sub-Zero that trained Shujinko and the one inside Earthrealm's main city, both considered canon by John Vogel. Either could easily be Classic Sub-Zero.

It was never confirmed, but for all we know, he could be canon.
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 •02/06/2013 04:26 AM (UTC) •
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legoslayer10 Wrote:
Getting into detail, two Sub
Zero's existed before Bi Han and Kuai Liang, simply known as Ancestor Sub-Zero. The Sub-Zero that trained Shujinko and the one inside Earthrealm's main city, both considered canon by John Vogel. Either could easily be Classic Sub-Zero.

It was never confirmed, but for all we know, he could be canon.


Actually, according to Mythologies, there were FOUR Sub-Zeros before Bi-Han and Kuai Liang. Their father is described as a "fourth-generation" member of the Lin Kuei clan.
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 •02/06/2013 12:26 PM (UTC) •
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So would it be likely that Classic Sub-Zero is one of the previous Sub-Zero before Bi-Han and Kuai Liang?
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 •02/06/2013 12:43 PM (UTC) •
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Very much, yes.
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 •02/06/2013 02:06 PM (UTC) •
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legoslayer10 Wrote:
Very much, yes.


I wouldn't agree with that, because in the ending, the other fighters are shocked and recognize who it is when Classic Sub unmasks.

None of them would know who Sub's dad or grandfather or so on is, and nobody ever said any of them fought in previous MK tournaments. If they would have, they probably would've died because Goro was undefeated. Everyone from Earthrealm always died and got their souls stolen before MK1.
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 •02/06/2013 05:20 PM (UTC) •
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If I am not mistaken, Classic Sub-Zero is Noob Saibot.

I guess you can say Classic Subby's ending was pretty much for shits and giggles.
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 •02/06/2013 10:29 PM (UTC) •
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
legoslayer10 Wrote:
Very much, yes.


I wouldn't agree with that, because in the ending, the other fighters are shocked and recognize who it is when Classic Sub unmasks.

None of them would know who Sub's dad or grandfather or so on is, and nobody ever said any of them fought in previous MK tournaments. If they would have, they probably would've died because Goro was undefeated. Everyone from Earthrealm always died and got their souls stolen before MK1.
Many people who didn't participate in MK1 also recognize him. His ending implies they ALL knew him.
So, either his face is Noob Saibot's, or they all know what he looks like.
And, if it were Bi-Han, he never removed his mask, so nobody knew what he looked like.
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 •02/07/2013 03:12 AM (UTC) •
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legoslayer10 Wrote:
Many people who didn't participate in MK1 also recognize him. His ending implies they ALL knew him.
So, either his face is Noob Saibot's, or they all know what he looks like.
And, if it were Bi-Han, he never removed his mask, so nobody knew what he looked like.


See, this is why personally...I always thought they might have been hinting that he's Johnny Cage. That obviously doesn't make much sense because how would Johnny learn ice moves...but he's the only one who wasn't in UMK3 with a face who everyone would recognize and be shocked by.

But like I said, they added everybody who was missing from the previous tournaments to Trilogy. And they didn't change CSZ's ending.

And they didn't decide that Noob Saibot is Bi-Han until many years later when they wrote Deception. They didn't actually have that twist planned out, Vogel came up with it on the fly.

So this is why I say his ending was never meant to have a real answer and Classic Sub-Zero was always just a non-canon bonus character so they could get some more mileage out of palette swapping the sprites.
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 •02/07/2013 10:10 PM (UTC) •
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That sounds reasonable to me.

Man! Now I wanna make a Lin Kuie Cage Sprite (Lin Kuage!)
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