Your right playa iLL make sure I talk to DEIRU tonight. Just to let you know our clan doesnt do things like move before fights, so I will get on him about that. I dont want you to get the wrong impression about us and not play stk people. We all play by the rules. I dont want anyone in my clan who quits,pulls,boost,gs,move before fights, or inf. So you pwr people just let me know if you see something wrong and I will fix it. I like the old traditonal mk way. Thats why I tell them either its the right way or the highway. Thanks for bringing this to my attention playa. Oh yea and the other day when we fought I seen That you left after 2 games. I think I know why, Its cause I kept picking scorpion right? Well thats my main character bro, but the next time I play you iLL try to mix it up some. iLL pick some other regz too. And I also hope I see you @ war. Hopefully I can get all 12 of my stk people so that most of pwr can play us. But I doubt that I will get them all. ANY WAY iLL inform DEIRU, and you have agood day.

No worries bro, ill still keep playing you guys. I just wanted to let Deiru know it was an inf. Minor things like that shouldnt be to hard to settle, specially since he didnt know.

And btw, we faught only once bro, it went to more than 10 fights. Choose who ever you want, just dont turtle em like crazy because then i have no chance of winning because every move ill throw is unsafe and i will get punished badly.

Ill just leave if u have a fetish for turtling sareena and throwing knives all the time..thats the only major reason. I dont mind losing...but losing like this...for absuing my lag weakness...i dont like.

i guess it would depend on lag level.

unless we are talking about somthing else, because i do 221 with hotaru and it never turned into an inf when i do it, just an ass of a 50/50.

Havik's infinite is easy as fuck to pull off even with a shit load of lag. At least for me it is.

What are we talking about?

You must mean Hotaru's 2,2,1 I'm assuming. 2,2,1 does NOT lead to a Free-Throw, just a 50/50. 1 by itself leads to a Free-Throw. If somebody is getting a blatant Free-Throw off of 2,2,1; you might as well quit cuz it's ridiculous lag.

As for the (semi) infinite, that's only if there are 2 throws involved. So if he does Hotaru's Throw, 1 (walk-up), Free-Throw ; that's a (semi) infinite. Same with Havik; if he does Throw, F3 (walk-up), Free-Throw; that's another (semi) infinite. If they take the Free-Throw after an original Throw, it's not legit.

Also, they COULD walk-up and hesitate for a split-second and THEN throw again and it would be legit because you didn't duck. That's obvious, though. But I've seen people freak out about it.

Some people just get confused about this stuff. Especially if 33's or something is involved... For example...

HAVIK:

(weap) 3, 33 33 33, cs, F3 (walk-up), Free-Throw, cs, 33 33 33, cs 1,1,2,cs

Technically, that is a legit combo. One throw and two sets of 33's. You could even do F3 at the end instead of the combo and make it a 50/50. Doesn't seem legit at first, but read it. It is.

Lol bro. I didnt get bitched at by Tk0 drama queen there for nothing. I didnt get bitched at by people that never knew who i was and just said i was a scrub for nothing ok?

Its a fucking infinite, dont make me fucking lose my patience because iam about to. I dont enjoy being on the defensive right now because ur saying that its a 50/50...its not...people do it on me and its inf. thats it. U ask TK0 with his havik he inf me.

You ask PWRNEST that got proven that it was a fucking infinite.
Grabing twice = inf on those non wake up attack attacks.
If i choose to AC leading to 50/50 and grab again...that is legit. But with those two regs, Hotaru and Havik, 2 grabs is semi-infinite and will piss off the other user.

Trust me after this lil dispute...i just wanted to whip out my best guys, completly ruin my fun and start to ruin yours for a nasty comeback. Do not push me on this...iam right, Its an Inf and leave it at that.

What are you talking about?

IF somebody does a launch and the 2,2,1 with Hotaru and THEN can land a Free-Throw, you need to quit playing them. That's not right.

I said the same thing you're saying. THROWING TWICE PER COMBO IS A SEMI. Havik, Throw, F3, Throw is a semi.

But, Havik weap.3, cs, F3, Throw is not. What's the confusion?

Can i ask why u are always starting your posts by saying : What am i talking about?.

It seems you should do some research before trying to contradic a fact....and ask yourself what are you talkin about before posting.

Inf me, i just wont fight anymore...i dont fight bitches that abuse cheap glitches to win.
Sounds pretty fair to me.

he did the same thing on me!! but the rest of the serie was fun !!

sorry but Hotaru got a beautiful infinte!!!

2,2,1 and 1 are different side flips that have different effects. YES you can DUCK after being hit by 2,2,1. Being hit by 1 by itself is unduckable. Take it or leave it, it's the simple truth. Don't like it, get over it. Ask any top player and they'll break it down for you.

What I'm wondering is if Player9 is legitimately complaining about being infinited, or if he's giving "his" definition of an infinite. I don't know him, so I'm just wondering.

Player9, answer this for me. If somebody pops you up with Havik's weapon 3, and they change stance and do F3, then walk up and take the Free-Throw, is that ok?

I'm curious, cuz it seems like we agree on what's legit, but then you seem to be talking like I'm going against what you're saying.

Hotaru's 221 is a 50/50. I'm never able to free grab on it, and I've ducked it numerous times, not to mention I tried it offline, and I was able to easily duck it. It's not an inf, man. If it is on your side, then there's something wrong there. 1, grab is Hotaru's inf, not 221.

^^ it works midscreen and wall, but not all the time.

it depends how far the 1 knocks you, which depends on 1) the timing of it and 2) the way the opponent and you are standing ( back to camera or front to camera )

if you do 1 too early, it causes delay ( the timing of it )

and if you are facing the opposite way ( not always, you can still be free thrown ) the 1 will knock you away instead of close to you ( the way you are standing )


can someone answer me this quick question, is reikos shadow grab a free throw and noobs is not? or is it the other way around? or neither? noob seems to have a delay before he can move, while reiko doesnt.

by the way, this whole hotaru business was tested earlier by myself, most of the time if you duck, it is a free throw, while if you jump, most of the time it is not, unless it is done in the corner, which still has to be timed right, and it doesnt matter whether its 1 or 221. it only matters online, well, we all know why that is. ( heres a hint: because it sucks )

peace

Exactly.

Player9 I really don't understand where you are trying to say.It's not an infinite at all....Like many people have said,it's only 50/50.It's not his fault if you don't know how to duck it.

Now,I would never consider myself to be top-level at all,But I do as a matter of fact,know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to piss you off either.

I'm just laying it down for you. If you don't like the way he plays,then I would suggest you don't play him at all.

-Khanswarrior15-

The only issue i may be complaining about is my connection. I wont complain until i get grabbed twice, meaning a partial infinite.

If u pop me with 3 on Haviks CS and F3 free throw, thats fine, heck u can do same with Quan Chi, Sonia, Jarek , Hotaru, Frost and Daegon. I will mind if after u grab me, u do another F3 grab (Havik).

Basically, what iam saying is, to you...it may be a 50/50. To me, its an inf. Why? Because my connection allows it to be an Inf. See my connection is so awesome to me...it actually favors the oponnent all the time. Belive me, if u werent as patient as i am, with my connection....you wouldve probably have quit the game already.

The only 2 regs i can deal with lag are Mavado and Kabal...simply because of they're agressive nature and strategies...and because i know them so well.

Iam not doubting anything u guys are saying...its just on my point of view and gameplay....u do it on me and it turns into an inf...221 Grab is an inf on me...try it...all ill do is duck, and ur still going to be able to get me...unless u lag.

like i said it depends on the lag level

221= ASS 50/50

1 with throw= inf

with lag i suppose 221 could be turned into an inf, but thats only with bad lag.

shogun to the rescue, proving everyones points =)

That's fine..I though that you were trying to state fact,so I had to correct you.Also I would never quit MKA.I can deal with lag no matter how severe it be.It's just a game.As long as that point gets across in my head I can deal with anything.

I guess it's just what ever seems to float your boat...

Also,Player9,if I may ask...What kind of connection do you use?

He uses cable, I think, but it's very fast cable. Almost 10000 kbps. That's why everyone's safe to him.

Inf are not considered legit so grab, 1, 1, 2, grab is not a legit combo online. I have said this a few time before that it depends on lag.

I was wondering the same thing with reiko. I know you can do is teleport in the air. Noob’s it not a free grab offline. But online it might be. It’s a good 50/50. But the attack seems to never come out for me with noob.

I think this whole shit just make a lot of confusion to everybody !!!

And i assure you that the Hotaru 221 give a free throw
most of the time ...at least vs me !!!

I tested it Online and Offline with Wiidoshi and Day666.

ChaosTheory... you did 2 throw in a combo vs me once.

I know it was an accident...
but that's why i don't approve using those free throw.

Too many confusion...

ok....lets try this again with all the explainations.

first off some of you people got the numbers mixed up, its 221.

square=1
triangle=2
x=3
circle=4

now then if you use 221 when they arent in the air...its a freegrab, if you use 221 when they are in the air its a 50/50. dont ask me why. i didnt make the game, its the way it goes people.

using 1 in the air as well as on the ground then grab and repeat is an inf.

im not saying that lag wouldnt have anything to do with it though. it could be so.

Nest, I was allowed to throw, 1, throw...

I just can't throw, 1, Free-Throw.

I really think that's what you missed. Cuz I picked that up from Eazy a LONG time ago and I've been doing it like that since then.

But... if I did, it was a FREAK occurence (I'm talking 1 out of 2253635).

like check said. 221 is an inf if you time the 1 right. well it seems that none of use times 1 right. only reason we call it a 50/50 online is because we all blame lag (which is what we blame EVERYTHING on).

like the havik inf it can be done online if you can time the grab. lag can stop an inf but not at this extreme point that you guys force yourselves to believe. just because its a little laggy doesnt mean it cant work.

well i would rather somthing be a 50/50 than a inf you know

lol.