All Hail the (King?) Sub-Zero!
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posted05/23/2006 04:34 PM (UTC)by
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ErmacMk5
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12/22/2003 05:23 PM (UTC)

Since MKDA, I've seen a lot of parallels between Sub-Zero and the character of Aaragorn from Lord of The Rings; He's gone from a lone warrior who preferred to let his actions speak for him, to a Grandmaster, and the Great Hope of a lost people.

I was replaying Konquest and noticed a style called the "King's Crown"...which got me thinking of a theoretical situation about the Cyromancers.

I believe that they were the rightful rulers of Outworld, overthrown and slain by Onaga. Before Onaga could complete his extermination of the Cyromancers, he was killed by Shao Kahn. Kahn, oblivious to the threat they posed, allowed some to escape Outworld; these were the ancestors of Noob Saibot, Sub-Zero, and Frost (not implying that she's their sister, but it is canon now that she's part of the same race.)

This would explain why Onaga had Hotaru specifically hunt down Sub-Zero; Onaga targetted no other warrior as a threat the way he did Sub-Zero; perhaps Onaga knows Sub-Zero is the returning King, come to take back Outworld.

I personally wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this is what plays out, and we have a new ruler of Outworld at the end of MKA; and it won't be Shao Kahn.

Thoughts?
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SubMan799
04/05/2006 01:52 AM (UTC)
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It's a nice idea, but no. Subby being king? Doesn't fit him well
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skatr152
04/05/2006 02:00 AM (UTC)
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sub zeros ending WAS messed up though
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ErmacMk5
04/05/2006 02:08 AM (UTC)
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Why couldn't he be a King? He's gone from an assassin/anti-hero, a virtual clone of his brother, to a proud warrior and a Leader; he's Lin Kuei grandmaster now, which is a role he has performed with great compassion, and justice (he didn't blame Frost for what she did.)
It maybe his destiny.

The fact is we don't know what he discovered when he studied his culture in the ruins of the Civilization. His garb is certainly that of a warrior King now.

The thing that's great about Sub-Zero is unlike at least 50 of the other characters in MK, Sub-Zero has evolved. He has showed great growth as a person, and has become a person Raiden trusts and respects; this is a long haul from trying to emulate the man who became Noob Saibot.

I really do hope this plotline occurs; I feel like Sub-Zero as a character has never had any great pay off; He's always sacrificed, and through that sacrifice has grown exponentially. I think Armageddon will be the point where Sub-Zero finally gets some glory (not that he seeks it, but that it will be bestowed on him.)

Just my story and I'm sticking to it; and btw, before you jump me, remember the guy who suggested that Noob Saibot was the original Sub-Zero before MKD; we all jumped him over something that turned out to be true.
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Drifting_Ravage
04/05/2006 02:34 AM (UTC)
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That actually makes sense, Hotaru could have been told about Sub-Zero's ancestry of cyromancers being a posable threat in the past of ending the order of Onaga in which Hotaru believes in. And the dying Tarkatans in the living forest could have uttered the phrase “Long live the dragon king” because they might have remembered centuries back the threat of the last cyromancer that occupied the armor had against Onaga.
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ErmacMk5
04/05/2006 02:45 AM (UTC)
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Yeah; there's a lot we don't know about Sub-Zero's origins that will be fleshed out in MKA.
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Coltess
04/05/2006 02:48 AM (UTC)
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Cool I love that Idea
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Juergen
04/05/2006 02:51 AM (UTC)
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Yeah and remember when the guy said that Liu Kang is returning as a zombie before MKD came out and we told him to shut the fuck up because it sounds like Ermac being in MK1, etc.
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Coltess
04/05/2006 02:59 AM (UTC)
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Yes it amkes perfect sence it is all air tight
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subzero961
04/05/2006 03:00 AM (UTC)
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Yeah you told me that theory once before, I must say it is a very good theory and you back it up with lots of reasons why you think it'll play it out like that but I have my doubts that its going to play out like that. Its good but there is so many things they can do to Sub-Zero's storyline that its a longshot to make a theory down to that detail with very limited knowledge about MKA.

We'll see, it is a good theory though.
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mksorcerer
04/05/2006 04:12 AM (UTC)
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i thhink sub zeor should become king of outworld, sindel should stay queen of edenia,(ppl say it hsould be kitana with lui kang or rain, but i like her better as a military leader), scorpion should becomeruler of thhe nether realm, punishing all who are deserving efficiently, earth realm should remain under the protection of raiden or fujin, and i odn't know about order realm and chaos realm.
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skatr152
04/05/2006 04:15 AM (UTC)
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order = hotaru
choas = havik

although who knows what will happen with there stories and depending on who will die
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ErmacMk5
04/05/2006 05:43 PM (UTC)
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Show me some proof; not just "No." Give me an alternate plotline.
1. That armor doesn't necessarily belong to Sub-Zero's ancestor.

2. Sub-Zero probably wouldn't agree to be a king.

3. It'd be out of nowhere with all the tying of the loose ends going on in Armageddon.
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04/05/2006 06:13 PM (UTC)
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It's a damn good theory but I don't see Sub-Zero as a king. There's too much of a warrior in him, but I suppose even he would want peace. He'd be like Aragorn from LOTR in a way. Aragorn however had a royal disposition about him. Sub-Zero doesn't and he doesn't seem kingly in any way.

ProudNintendofan Wrote:
1. That armor doesn't necessarily belong to Sub-Zero's ancestor.

2. Sub-Zero probably wouldn't agree to be a king.

3. It'd be out of nowhere with all the tying of the loose ends going on in Armageddon.


Good points!
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Sub-Zero_7th
04/05/2006 06:25 PM (UTC)
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lol..interesting thread, but I don't see Sub-Zero being a king.

To me, Sub-Zero is more like the Batman of MK, a stoic, serious guy who goes about his business and does what it takes to get the job done. In addition, although being good and helping out the heroes, I think Sub-Zero is the distant one from the team and does little to no interaction with some of the others.

I hope that the whole armor and ancestral stuff will have more fleshing out. The idea isn't that farfetched though, but to me, Sub-Zero is very much just the warrior type. He might just make a hell of a good business man though.
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04/05/2006 06:33 PM (UTC)
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yeah and with my theory we could of solved the whole plot line to MKA
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ErmacMk5
04/05/2006 07:29 PM (UTC)
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How do you know Sub-Zero doesn't have it in him? We don't know much about Sub-Zero. He has also changed radically over the passed several games.

And this would be the wrapping of Sub-Zero as a character; it'd be one man's flight from evil.



"The developing hero
A second type of anti-hero is one who starts off possessing unlikeable traits such as prejudice, immaturity, cockiness, a single-minded focus on things such as wealth; status; or revenge or even being a criminal. As the story develops, the character grows and changes, and eventually becomes sympathetic and rises to the occasion to become heroic in every sense of the word"- wikipedia.


In my opinion that epitomizes Sub-Zero, and him liberating the Outworld people would bring his heroism to full fruition.

Of course, I should have expected this sort of aversion to change from people who wish that Sub-Zero was still a palatte swap tongue.
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04/05/2006 08:00 PM (UTC)
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Ya know this is good theory. It definetley explains his new-found heritage and the fact that Onaga specifically wants him dead. It can definetley happen too. Midway would never dare make an MK game without Subby or Scorpion and this could help other characters storylines too. This would mean Noob also has royal blood, giving us two kings one for the dead and one for the living. PS: To me Sub-Zero's storyline has always been sort of mysterious, even if he is not king I'm sure will see a huge plot twist in MK:A.
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subzero6969
04/05/2006 08:18 PM (UTC)
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It's a good theory but since Sub is a good guy unless he became corrupt i wouldn't want him tobe king. Because there are more possibilities when there is an evil king but, drumroll please, NOOB SAIBOT, we all know that Noob has been thirsting for power but what if he found ou about being the older Sub and then found out about his cycromancer history and that they were kings of Outworld, he would definitely want to be King of Outworld after this if he doesnt already. I think that this would add depth to their stroyline.
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ErmacMk5
04/05/2006 08:28 PM (UTC)
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Why does someone have to be evil to be King? Jerrod of Edenia was a noble and just King; Sub-Zero could be the same type of King for Outworld.
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subzero6969
04/05/2006 08:35 PM (UTC)
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Yes he was but the storyline never really covered that, I just personally think that there are more storyline oppurtunities for MK8 and later games if there is an evil King they are trying to defeat, it has always been like that, well not always a king but people have united to defeat an evil common adversary: Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, Shinnok, Deadly Alliance, Onaga.
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subzero6969
04/05/2006 08:38 PM (UTC)
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Yes he was but the storyline never really covered that, I just personally think that there are more storyline oppurtunities for MK8 and later games if there is an evil King they are trying to defeat, it has always been like that, well not always a king but people have united to defeat an evil common adversary: Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn, Shinnok, Deadly Alliance, Onaga. Thy would eventually have to kill Sub-Zero or kill or he could get overthrowed and exiled. But I don't see him maintaining the throne for more than a game because then the storyline would be extremely competive. Its better when the good guys are fighting the bad guys not vice versa.
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ErmacMk5
04/05/2006 08:54 PM (UTC)
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Why does the threat have to come from Outworld? There are three other potentially hostile realms.


I have also theorized that there can be interdimensional portals leading to other realms, which is where the new threats will come from. There's no where to go from here; once the threat of the one being is ended, the existence we know of will have climaxed; maybe if there is another set of realms, of a different existence, with it's own set of Gods...that would provide new opportunities for the next MK.

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