I know exactly what you mean but I'm afraid it would bring back the typical "Sub-Zero running from his persuer and Scorpion needing revenge for inner peace" storyline. I agree that they had the best rivalry in all of the series.

With Smoke returning and Sektor rumored to return the Sub-Zero Scorpion rivalry could very well happen again but with a few famliar faces thrown in the mix i'd love to see Sektor and Scorpion battling it out against Sub-Zero and Smoke

scorpion never had any kind of friendship with sub-zero..the body guard endings never took place..the story didnt go by those endings.

scorpion was killed by the orginal sub-zero in cold blood. scorpions demons allowed him to return from the dead.."he was given a new body and uniform which mocks the lin kuei with its cowardly yellow color"

he then killed sub-zero.

despite what some think, they have only faught 2 times. some seem to think they faught 3 times bacause of the way mkmsz played out..but what those people dont realize is that is just a level in the game. of course scorpion had to be defeated again, otherwise you wouldnd have progressed in the game. it has nothing to do with the actual story line. it was a bonus..like killing sareena..if you did or didnt, you would have face the the reality of the choice you made.

after sub killed him, scorpion stalked him until mk1, where scorpion killed him in the tournament.

lets break it down...

mk1: scorpion gained his revenge when he killed the orginal sub-zero...the sub-zero that murdered him in the events of mkmsz.

mk2: sub-zero was replaced by his younger brother and was sent to assassinate shang tsung...scorpion had retuned as well after learning of sub-zeros return. as it turned out, it wasnt the same sub-zero the killed scorpion, but his younger brother.(but scorpion didnt find this out until mk4)

mk3: now, although the mk2 and mk3 endings connect, they never actually took place. according to scorpions mk2 ending he bacame the guardian of the younger sub-zero..his mk3 ending says that scorpion turned on kahn when kahn was going to eliminate the chosen warriors..one of them being sub-zero. quote:

"his alliance to shao kahn falters when he discovers one of the chosen warriors to be sub-zero. scorpion has vowed to protect the former ninja as restitution for killing his brother. shao kahn finds himself the victim of his own scheme as scorpion is forced to turn aginst him. he destroys the emperor and the earth is returned to normal."

we all know scorpion didnt kill kahn, so the ending doesnt count. neither did scorpions mk2 ending. the events in both mk2 and mk3 never happend....which brings us to mk4

mk4: during the evnts of mk2/3 (in which scorpion was "stalking" sub)(yes, mk4 came way after mk2, but the actual ending doesnt take place until mk4) scorpion defeats sub-zero. sub-zero tells scorpion that the lin kuei was responsible for his murder, but that his familys true killer still remained free. when scorpion asked who the murderer was, thats when quan chi showed up. quan chi admitted that it was him that killed his family and clan abd that he needed the power of a spectre or defeat sub-zero. (it was all just one big plot) quan chi attempted to send scorpion back to the netherealm..scorpion rushed at quan chi..grabbing him..and both were sent to the netherealm...then that leads to the events in mkda.

mkda: scorpions bio:

"The ninja spectre Scorpion had assumed for many years that Sub-Zero had killed his family and clan only to later discover that the true murderer was the sorcerer Quan Chi. After revealing his treachery, Quan Chi then attempted to send Scorpion to the 5th plane of the Netherealm. Thinking quickly, Scorpion grappled the sorcerer at the last moment and they were both transported to that forbidden realm. Scorpion hunted Quan Chi relentlessly throughout the Netherealm. Eventually, though, Quan Chi discovered a way back to Outworld through a strange portal. Scorpion followed Quan Chi through the portal, but emerged in a different location far from his prey. He can still sense Quan Chi's presence and will hunt him down whatever the cost."

so, what happens from here? we dont know....and wont know until mk6.


so, in my opnion no. that story is over. well, more like continuing. the first part of scorpions mission is complete..kill sub-zero..now all he has to do is kill quan chi.

To begin, I'd like to point out that the theory that Scoprion never knew the current Sub-Zero is the younger brother until MK4 is, IMO, the worst fucking idea in MK history (worse than Stryker and Mokap) and it does absolutely nothing but ruin Scorpion as we know him.

On topic, I think the Scorpion/Sub-Zero rivalry is dead. It was finished in MK2, then they resurrected it in MK4 with poor results.
Scorpion and Sub-Zero may never be friends, but they're rivalry's done. Scorpion needs something else to do.

XiahouDun84 Wrote: To begin, I'd like to point out that the theory that Scoprion never knew the current Sub-Zero is the younger brother until MK4 is, IMO, the worst fucking idea in MK history (worse than Stryker and Mokap) and it does absolutely nothing but ruin Scorpion as we know him. On topic, I think the Scorpion/Sub-Zero rivalry is dead. It was finished in MK2, then they resurrected it in MK4 with poor results. Scorpion and Sub-Zero may never be friends, but they're rivalry's done. Scorpion needs something else to do.

its not a theory, its a fact. those "what if" endings never took place.

scorpion didnt find anything out until mk4. the game speaks for its self. and how is it the worst idea in mk history? sound pretty accurate to me. i mean..if you were killed by sub-zero..wouldnt you want to stalk him?..prolong his suffering..haunt him, until the perfect time to strike came along? i know i would..but, when scorpion finally caught up with him, quan chi saved subs ass from getting killed, cause he was the true murderer.

Scoripion got his revenge; he killed the first Sub-Zero, then beat his brother. He's won either way, and now that he knows that Quan Chi is the guy who killed his family and destroyed the Shirai Ryu, he doesn't need to go after Sub-Zero. Besides, this one had nothing to do with his murder, nor with the massacre of his family and clan, so what's the point anyway?

scorpio Wrote: scorpion didnt find anything out until mk4. the game speaks for its self. and how is it the worst idea in mk history? sound pretty accurate to me. i mean..if you were killed by sub-zero..wouldnt you want to stalk him?..prolong his suffering..haunt him, until the perfect time to strike came along? i know i would..but, when scorpion finally caught up with him, quan chi saved subs ass from getting killed, cause he was the true murderer.

I'll tell you why I think it's the worst idea:
1) It destroys any character development Scorpion's had and makes him look like an incompetent imbecile loser who can't do anything right.
2) It's a slap in the face to all MK fans, not just Scorpion fans, ALL fans.

In more detail:
Some believe that Scorpion and Sub-Zero's MK2 endings and Scorpion's MK3 bio happened and Scorpion was after Sub-Zeor in MK4 due to Quan Chi's manipulations.
Under this theory, we see Scorpion as an angry loner out for revenge, but who still retains a sense of honor and princible because he vows to protect the younger Sub-Zero. In MK3, as long as Shao Kahn's portal was open, Scorpion stayed on Earth. But he helps the Earth fighters defeat Kahn, basically sacrificing his existence on Earth, to honor his vow to protect Sub-Zero.

Now, under the theory that Scorpion never knew there was a different Sub-Zero, we instead see an angry drone mindlessly chasing after someone who had nothing to do with his death and failing every time until MK4.
And Sub-Zero doesn't come across that bright either. If Scorpion was chasing after Sub-Zero during MK3, doesn't anyone think Sub-Zero would be a little curious why this strange ninja keeps throwing spears at him? And maybe he'd say something about it?
I know most of the endings are "what-if" and a lot don't happen, but when the events of an ending are carried over into the next game, I say they happened. That's like saying, Mileena never died and Kitana and Mileena's MK2 endings never happened and their MK3 bios were wrong. That's bullshit.


And when I say it's a slap in the face to MK fans it's because we, the fans who care about the storyline, have invested our time and money into these characters and expect the story to make some kind of sense and have some kind of continuity. For almost ten years, we believed that Scorpion learned that the current Sub-Zero wasn't the one who killed him and he vowed to protect him. And this storyline continued on in MK3. And NOW, they tell us "No, none of that ever happened."
And what makes it stupider is that it's not like they planned this from the start. You know why they made Scorpion after Sub-Zero in MK4 again? Boost sales. They undid years of continuity in a desperate attempt to boost sales.
This is just as bad as the theory that Johnny Cage's Konquest was meant to imply he never died at all and it was all in his movie.

I said it before, I'll say it again: Undoing past storylines is a bad idea. Johnny Cage died and came back. That happened. Scorpion found out the current Sub-Zero didn't kill him in MK2. That happened. Suddenly saying all that never happened does nothing but ruin characters credability and respectability.
If Ed Boon were to offically say the MK2 endings never happend and Scorpion was really after Sub-Zero until MK4, I'd have to ask him:
"Why are you ruining Scorpion?"

I want the rivalry between the older brother and Scorpion to come back. Scorpion should have no beef with the younger brother.

Scorpion assumed for many years that Subzero killed his Family? How many years went by between the end of the Outworld Invasion on Earth and Shinnok's attack on Edenia? Quan Chi probably told him that the younger brother killed his family in order for Scorpion to break his Protection he promised

I think they should only for the one reason is that sub-zero fan boys and sorpion fan boys needs to find out who would win in a fight. Loser should never return to mk.

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I dunno about that...

I'd sure miss Scorp.

Seraph Wrote: ^ I dunno about that... I'd sure miss Scorp.

I think his time has come. I wouldn't miss him.

scorpio Wrote: its not a theory, its a fact. those "what if" endings never took place.

True, but Scorpions UMK3 bio did reinforce Sub's MK2 ending, and as far as I know, all bios are legit.

But back on topic, I wouldn't want another rivalry between the two ninjas, but I do think there needs to be some sort of relationship between them. They covered a lot of previous ground, and to just sever the two characters completely doesn't really make sense.

And what annoys me even more is that there was so much potential. They both had bad blood with Quan Chi, yet when Scorpion embarks on a mission to kill the sorcerer, Subzero's all like, "alright, have fun, I'll be over doing something totally different." If someone betrayed and attempted to kill my brother, I'd do something about it, especially if I had the skills of an assassin, and the power to freeze shit.

Just my two cents.

I think that ship has sailed.

Scorpion has his own storyline now (Quan Chi and the Oni) and so does Sub Zero (the Red Dragon, the Tekunin and more or less everyone else in the world trying to kill him). Does that make them less compelling characters? Hell no! If anything, it makes them more compelling because it shows their storylines are constantly evolving.

Who wants to see Scorpion -vs- Sub Zero for 6 games in a row?

The whole rivalry between them is legendary, almost. I think throwing Quan Chi into the mix has actually thrown a monkey wrench into the whole scheme of things. Sub-Zero's clan was responsible for Scorpion's death, Quan Chi for Scorpion's family's murders, Scorpion for Sub-Zero's brother's death, Quan Chi responsible for it all. Perhaps my biggest beef isn't that their rivalry has ended, but that their storylines no longer are bound together. Scorpion would not EXIST without Sub-Zero in MK1. Now, both of them have all but faded from each other's memories. Both still have a common enemy, yet Sub-Zero is doing nothing to either avenge his brother's death and redeem the Lin Kuei from the wrongly tarnished reputation as murders or make a move against Quan Chi, something Scorpion is quite advant about. In retrospect, Sub-Zero is becoming a weaker character. Ironically, Scorpion was created to be Sub-Zero's counterpart, but now Sub-Zero is failing without him. Truth be told, the two ninjas should be bound together, as friends, rivals, or merely partners or opponents, because one would not be where they are without the other. Fatality.

If Scorpion had thought MKII-DA Sub-Zero was still MKI Sub-Zero, he would have been stalking him in MK3, which he was not. Even if the endings do not happen, that does not mean that elements from the endings do not occur:

Ex: In MK3, although it was not Sonya who defeated Shao Kahn, she DID toss Kano off of a building, as stated in her ending.

That's all the proof you need that ending elements no happen.

And the fact that the guardian theory is reinforced by MKII Sub-Zero's ending, as well as UMK3 Scorpion's ending should be more than sufficient as well.

And even if you want to go ahead and believe that the ending still didn't happen, consider this: Why didn't UMK3 Scorpion's bio not say anything about him going after Sub-Zero? Surely once he came back from the netherrealm, that would have been the first thing he did. but he didn't. He just stood around and worked for Kahn. Refute the endings all you want, but the bios cannot be ignored.

Anyway, lay the rivalry to rest. I'm happy to see them go their own ways.