You can't blame someone if there's lag. I've had (a good estimate) 15-20% of my matches having an "inadequate connection" but that's the game you play when you're online. Rarely is there a game that has a perfect connection 100% of the time. That is unless there's some way to force that lag error to happen if that's what you're saying but I really have no idea how that's possible. And trust me, you can't blame a player for abusing the throw. That's Boon's fault. The throw comes out faster than in Tekken and Soul Calibur and there are no throw breaks. Some throws can be broken with a combo breaker but it's useless to do that since you've already eaten the damage. So blame Boon and his team for not implementing a throw break rather than the players who use the best tools at their disposal.

the codejunkie thing is what everyone is using to cheat

About half of my losses are due to some form of lag. I hadve full stars for my connection, and from now on I'm only playing someone who has the same ping, or one star less.

Just don't play against people who do nothing but throw. When they ask for a rematch, say no. Pretty simple really. Shit be thankful they even made throws unblockable in this game. Other than that, just duck.

I don't have the game yet (Europe), but isn't it possible to sidestep around throws?

If people don't like the way throws work in the game then they need to stop complaining about players and start complaining about crappy game design. It's Boon's fault there's no throw breaks not the players who take advantage of that fact.

It's not like Boon works on the game by himself, there is a team. Anyway, if someone does nothing but throw they're not guaranteed a win. You just gotta know how to play against them. If all it took to win was constant throws, no one would lose. Plus there are plenty of people out there who play with actual skill. I just had a 20 fight series with a guy who fought completely fair.

If you're getting beat by people who do nothing but throw, the problem is not the game, it's you.
With crappy throw range, the ability to dogde them all by ducking, slower than most jabs, and most of them being breakable, they are far from cheap.
Throwing has existed long since before throw escapes were invented, and they have never been cheap.
protip: press down back and block, and when the opponent comes close, release block, and press triangle.
-F.

Umm... you do know that even if you break a throw you still lose all the life you would if you didnt? Only throws you should break are ones that juggle like hotaru nightwolf etc.
throws are cheap...try and break em when you play me with your jabs and ducking....i would like to see that. Duck and your screwed...and trust me you wont be able to jab at zero range. If he is losing to someone ONLY throwing thats weak, but someone who throws a lot, thats different. You can physcologically break down a player with throws. You make them out to be easily stoppable but they arent. Im sure you know that you can grab people in the middle of their special moves and some combos. The best players know how to abuse the throw system among other things.

grabs r nothing special... no prob its all part of the mix up. Just like many other 3d fighting games just that u cant break them... all u can do is duck or do quick low pokes.. never had a problem against throwers. What if someone had a good low move and a good mid move? isnt that the same thing? all ix up...
Throws r nothing to worry about Dairou's special move on the hand is....

Fanboys need to quit crying about the players and look at the game itself. If you don't like getting thrown do it back or quit SUCKING and learn to avoid them. Nuff said.

The biggest problem I have with gamespy are its laggy servers sometimes I do side step combos and could be on the other side to do a counter attack. When I do I get attacks from an oppent and isnt even facing me. Also I hate the double hit lag ( when two people hit on another at the same time) I am sure that one of us attacked 1st. I never had a case of double hits fighting offline with the AI.

Ok, why the hell blame Boon or the MK team cause they added throws? I mean yeah I hate it when people use Kobra and throw 30 times in a match cause "Kobras a sissy assed little bitch Ken wanna-be" as my friend Jeff would say. But just learn how to be cheap with someone else and whenever you face someone who does throw a lot or be a cheap little bitch in some other way, then do that kinda shit back. Fight fire with fire bitches!

there r many attacks that hit at the same time.. example is sindels fu jow pai style if some 1 attacks her 1st, her, back + 2 hits so fast that it hits the other player even if they hit u first... scorpions sword f+1 or something hits fast also...
its no online glitch...
there r glitches tho....
but those arent it..

What is with this bo rai cho 50 percent throw? Also with the staff out if you get hit with the Forward x move you automatically get thrown and can't be stopped?

I've played MK: Deception ( offline) at least a 100+ times, I've never had a double hit once. The only time I experiance a double hit is online. When it gets down to both players having like 10-15% and one being outdone by another do to lag is a big bummer.

The whole thing is guaranted if the F3 hits. BRC = by far the best character right now with Dairou right behind him.

Um it's not skillful so I don't say he's the best, maybe the cheapest. It's a unblockable glitch. People use him cause they have no skill!

Quoted for truth. Besides.. If one looks at the team bio's unlocked in the krypt, you can clearly see who is and who isn't on the balance part of the game. I looked, and if I recall, I did not see "worked on balance issues" on Boon's profile.

Boon's the lead designer so overall he's the one who's responsible just like a manager is responsible for what happens in a store. I just used his name as a reference. What's funny is that all you did right there is say that not only Boon but everone else on the team is incompetent as well. You didn't defend Boon with that comment as you probably intended to.
And having throw escapes isn't a balance issue. It's basic 3D fighting game logic. I just find it funny that people say that it's important to "play fair". What the hell is that? Play fair? So because the game is so broken the players are forced to limit the way they play in order to actually have fun. And so when someone doesn't "play fair" it's obviously their fault. Not the precious MK team for illogical design. If I go online and abuse one of the many problems in the game people start saying that I'm cheating. Why are MK fans the only people who would blame other players for problems in the game and praise the design team who actually caused the problems? I just want an answer as I haven't been able to get one yet.

Since Midway sure as hell isn't going to issue a recall ... who else can you blame?!? Milking a design flaw in a game to one's unfair avantage is CHEATING, whether it be MK: Deception or the Shop1 wallhack bug in the PC version of Soldier of Fortune 2, sky-walking in Counter-Strike, etc.
Until Midway issues a recall of this game (fat chance), then I feel it is the responsibility of the gamers to NOT exploit these issues. If and when the gamers do exploit them ... well, I feel they DESERVE to sit in the BEGINNERS channel staring at the chat-scroll for hours wondering why the flying fuck nobody will answer their challenges or why people keep disconnecting on them during a match. Personally, I don't tolerate such cheeze and disconnect on their punk asses.
Hey, my $50 game, my $50-a-month bandwidth costs ...
I'll disconnect so that these sorry bastards can find other like-minded sorry bastards while I'll try to find someone else worthy of sharing packets with; someone who wants to enjoy an online game the same way I want to enjoy an online game (e.g. minimal ammount of BS as possible).

Exactly, it's your 50 bucks so you have a right to play a game that isn't wonky. I don't care if people think it's cheap or not to use glitches online but why the hell should Midway get a free pass for it? Midway isn't going to issue a recall so who else is there to blame? MIDWAY! Why are the players now suddenly responsible to make the game bearable? Why can't people demand that Midway stop releasing glitchy as hell MK games? The reason Deception is messed up is because not enough people complained about Deadly Alliance being messed up. The answer isn't in condemning people for abusing glitches in Deception. The answer is demanding Midway make something better so these same problems don't happen at all in MK7. You can have all the fun you want disconnecting from "cheaters" and only playing "honorable" people but the fact remains that if you give Midway a "get out of jail free card" for this mess then all you're going to get is the same mess in MK7. Congrats.

The answer isn't in condemning people for abusing glitches in Deception.
It is NOW ... because Midway isn't going to fix it with a recall as they would rather PATCH the problems up. But IMO the day patches become the norm for consoles should also be the same day that the entire console gaming market crashes for I feel there should be no excuses whatsoever for a console game to be patched. Patches for console games completely defeats the purpose of console gaming in the first place as consumers consider consoles trully "Plug And Play!" as opposed to PC which is more or less "Plug And Pray You've Got The Right Drivers/OS/BIOS Updates Installed"
The answer is demanding Midway make something better so these same problems don't happen at all in MK7.
I agree ... but there's only one problem: MK7 is roughly 2 years away!! How does that help Deception's problems in the HERE AND NOW?!? It doesn't. We're still stuck with a broken $50 game that loses that $50 value the moment we crack the celophane wrapper. The chances of us getting our $50 back is directly purportional to the chances of Midway granting a recall (i.e. NIL, ZIP, Zilch!!) Sure, we could probably trade it in for in-store credit (roughly 80% of the value) to use towards another game but we don't get the full investment back.
Either way you shake it, we lose ... but that's mostly due to Capitalism in this country than anything. Anyone else find it awfully distressing that, even though the inverse cost of having freedom or living in a free society is repsonsibility, the system of Capitalism is somehow above and beyond that shit? In the USA, Captialism gets to enjoy all the benefits of our free country and it's free market ... but accepts no responsibility whatsoever. In other words, if I murdered my neighbor, I'm going to prison. If Capitalism murders my neighbor ................ it gets a pass because someone made a buck off of it and/or another somebody stays employed, etc.

Dude, but it's not capitalism's fault if a company doesn't do what they're supposed to do. The market dictates what's acceptable or not. If a car company tries to sell a lemon then in theory the market is going to reflect that. You can't say that capitalism avoids responsibility because its entirely based around being responsible to the market your in. If you make garbage you shouldn't be making money. Midway manages to avoid responsiblity for MK because it avoids that stipulation. Mortal Kombat is an anomaly in terms of capitalism because it actually manages to beat the system. Nobody is rushing to the stores to buy the new Tomb Raider games because they suck. N-Gage's aren't flying off the shelves because they suck. That's capitalism at work. MK manages to consistantly beat the system and mimics a socialist realm (no pun intended) where even if something sucks people take it.
What's really bizarre is that this is capitalism and unlike socialism there are options so a person looking for something like healthcare, or less importantly a fighting game, can choose what they want. Virtua Fighter, Tekken, DOA, all other games beat the holy hell out of MK in everything except story and mythos. People looking for a fighting game fix can choose. So, theoretically, since this is capitalism and MK isn't the only fighting game available the sales would show that MK is lacking, right? But no, MK manages to get the sales figures Midway wants. That's the problem. If MK can beat the system for whatever reason (good marketing strategies, past history, consumers who just don't know any better) then what happens next? For some reason the public eats up MK even though it's glitchy and broken. Imagine buying a car that craps out on you every ten miles. So you go to a mechanic but he can't do much to fix the problem. So in turn you blame the mechanic for it and go out to buy another car from the same manufacturer. Sounds rediculous doesn't it? That's exactly what's happening with MK. That's irresponsibility on the consumers part. They allow this to happen.
Once again, I don't care if you don't like it when people use glitches online. That's valid. But it's not ok to sit back and let the same thing happen again in MK7 and it will if people on these boards continue to bitch about players but at the same time not say a word about what Midway did wrong. I've seen tons of posts about "so and so uses a glitch to deathtrap me" but none of those people even consider saying "Midway really needs to make sure MK7 isn't nearly as glitchy". Remember that Midway reads this stuff. Ed Boon himself has acknowledged this site having influence.
You're right, we can't do anything about MK:D now. And MK7 is two years away. But you know what? A bunch of us tried way before Deception's release. Myself, Satyagraha, Konqrr, StarwinderBeta, Bleed, Versatile, FLStyle, Colguile, Menthol, and others I don't want to insult for not listing but you know who you are. For a year we agued that MK:DA was messed up and MK:D needed to be better. We didn't have enough support here so it didn't work. The old saying, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" fits perfectly. We got screwed with Deadly Alliance but it's because nobody cared to complain that Deception turned out the way that it did. It's the consumers fault. Everyone here complaining about "glitch this" "bug that" had ample opportunity to voice against MK:DA's glitches and bugs but didn't do it so that's why Deception is what it is. MK7 is two years away so everyone should say something now. Otherwise it'll be the same thing in two years. "But it's too late for MK7".